why Pashtuns hate so much each other?

[Firdousi]

Few days ago, [MENTION=17954]kanishka[/MENTION] posted a new thread named "Pashtun culture sucks". We see on this and other forums Pashtuns bashing and insulting each other on a regular basis Even in Afghanistan Pashtuns are killing each other (this is not something new. Pashtuns have been killing each other for a long time now). Despite being an extremely nationalist ethnic group (Pashtuns are much more nationalists than Tajiks. Ethnic nationalism is almost inexistent among Tajiks. Modern Tajik nationalism is more an online phenomenon) Pashtuns seems to be extremely violent and frustrated people.

So my question is "why Pashtuns hate so much each other and other ethnicities?" Why all this hatred and frustration? Such anger is not common among non Pashtuns in Afghanistan.. why?

As a Herati I must say I have never heard other Heratis hating so much on other nations or ethnic groups (except Pakistan. Tajiks hate that country more than any other people). There is some sort of "rejection" toward Kabulies because according Herati standards they are too liberal and kinda "luchak". But not real hatred. So why Pashtuns tend to be so hateful?

[Firdousi]

BTW don't take this personally. I don't mean to offend you. As a non Pashtun I just want to know your opinion.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

We dont hate each other nor anyone else include the indian like you.

[DaZahroJaam.]

Which Pashtun has killed another Pashtun?? I want a sepecific example. As for kanishka, we were not witness to what he is she was before he "assimilated" into whatever he or she is today. Cowards who need to justify their actions will use whatever excuse they can find and him having a grudge against the Pashtun culture gives him an excuse to bash it.

Before you belong to a culture or a religion, you are an individual. If you are comfortable with who you are, you enjoy the good things about your culture and change the bad aspects of it. You don't whine about it or bash it before running to another culture for the convieneice of it. When you do run away, you are travelling in two boats and you belong to neither cultures.

You are not fooling anyone by running away from what you are. And when you bash the culture of your forefathers, you are devaluing the blood running through your own veins. Good cultures are formed by good human beings, not whiney losers who run away from it to the next one when they come across something they don't like.

[Firdousi]

Which Pashtun has killed another Pashtun?? I want a sepecific example. As for kanishka, we were not witness to what he is she was before he "assimilated" into whatever he or she is today. Cowards who need to justify their actions will use whatever excuse they can find and him having a grudge against the Pashtun culture gives him an excuse to bash it.

Before you belong to a culture or a religion, you are an individual. If you are comfortable with who you are, you enjoy the good things about your culture and change the bad aspects of it. You don't whine about it or bash it before running to another culture for the convieneice of it. When you do run away, you are travelling in two boats and you belong to neither cultures.

You are not fooling anyone by running away from what you are. And when you bash the culture of your forefathers, you are devaluing the blood running through your own veins. Good cultures are formed by good human beings, not whiney losers who run away from it to the next one when they come across something they don't like.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

By Pashtuns killing each other I mean those Haqqani, Taliban, Hezb Islami,ISIS,.. who are killing Pashtuns on a daily basis. Most of these groups are active in Pashtun inhabited provinces/districts so the victims of their attacks are mainly Pashtuns. Have you ever seen a Mazari blowing himself up in Kabul or Badakhshan? No.

Before you belong to a culture or a religion, you are an individual.

I am sorry but I disagree with Western individualism. I stand more for collectivism/comunitarianism.

The thing is you did not answer why so many Pashtuns behave in such a aggressive and frustrated way. Just search for any Afghan song on Youtube and check out the comments. Most of them are Pashtuns insulting other Afghan ethnicities, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, USA,.. and so on. May I know why?

[khushal]

Your committing a Hasty Generalization fallacy.

[DaZahroJaam.]

I am sorry but I disagree with Western individualism. I stand more for collectivism/comunitarianism.

collectivism?? you stand for collectivism which is why you go around, passing remarks like that about an entire race and based on what one faceless and nameless user has to say of his own forefathers on an internet forum??

nobody blows themself up for the fun of it. only the naive, vulnerable and poor are exploited. if the majority of it is pashtuns, it's because they are geographically isolated and targeted by those recruiting them in comparison to others.
and as for your youtube comments.. you go to a trash bin and pick up stuff from it, then complain about it all being garbage. you, yourself are a very good example of how non pashtuns can be ignorant, racist and narrow minded. it's just that you have learnt ways of putting up a show about it and they don't. and it doesn't have to be about blowing one's self up. the hatred and ignorance that your likes have or will spread, has the tendency to cause far more damage than any suicide bomb is capable of causing. you are will aware of that.


also, mazaari or badkhshi is not antonymous with pashtun. did you know that??

[Firdousi]

collectivism?? you stand for collectivism which is why you go around, passing remarks like that about an entire race and based on what one faceless and nameless user has to say of his own forefathers on an internet forum??

nobody blows themself up for the fun of it. only the naive, vulnerable and poor are exploited. if the majority of it is pashtuns, it's because they are geographically isolated and targeted by those recruiting them in comparison to others.
and as for your youtube comments.. you go to a trash bin and pick up stuff from it, then complain about it all being garbage. you, yourself are a very good example of how non pashtuns can be ignorant, racist and narrow minded. it's just that you have learnt ways of putting up a show about it and they don't. and it doesn't have to be about blowing one's self up. the hatred and ignorance that your likes have or will spread, has the tendency to cause far more damage than any suicide bomb is capable of causing. you are will aware of that.


also, mazaari or badkhshi is not antonymous with pashtun. did you know that??

Come on, honey, calm down now.

There are plenty of uneducated, racist and narrow minded non Pashtuns.. actually most of them are like this. Still they don't kill each other. I know very well Badakhshi and Mazary are not antonymous with Pashtun. I have been to those places. Lets take Balkh as a good example: most of the province is peaceful except those places inhabited by Pashtuns such as ChaharBolak. Why? Balkh is far away from Pakistan and the wahabit madrassas. How do you explain that Pashtuns are a constant source of war, poverty and bigotry?

Pashtuns are a nation in denial. No wonder why many of you even dare to call Taliban "Punjabis" because deep inside you are ashamed of your own people and blame other people for all your miseries. Nothing wrong about this I guess its part of human nature but still I find hilarious how Pashtuns, even despite being the most miserable nation walking the earth right now, very few of them are willing to analyze their state of misery.

[Elite Pakhtun]

This is quite stupid. Any place with conflict will have people killing each other. ISIS has this issue. Instead of seeing it as a political struggle, you're saying it's one race killing themselves. What about Arabs killing Arabs? Or Blacks killing Blacks? Instead of seeing it as something related to a specific conflict, you're saying it's one race killing themselves.

If Pakhtuns were a bit more racist maybe things would change. Unfortunately politics and perhaps ideology has caused this.

Was this poor argument being made before there were bomb blasts etc?

No wonder why many of you even dare to call Taliban "Punjabis" because deep inside you are ashamed of your own people and blame other people for all your miseries.

Where did you dream this up? There does exist Punjabi Taliban, but nobody says Taliban are "Punjabis".

How do you explain that Pashtuns are a constant source of war, poverty and bigotry?

War and bigotry fine, but poverty is not entirely accurate. The entire region is facing poverty, and there are many well off Pashtuns.

[Firdousi]

Your committing a Hasty Generalization fallacy.

You might be right. But nationalism, fascism and religious fanaticism are stronger in Pashtuns than other ethnicities. Or at least thats why me and other non Pashtuns sense.

[Firdousi]

This is quite stupid. Any place with conflict will have people killing each other. ISIS has this issue. Instead of seeing it as a political struggle, you're saying it's one race killing themselves.

If Pakhtuns were a bit more racist maybe things would change. Unfortunately politics and perhaps ideology has caused this.

Was this poor argument being made before there were bomb blasts?

Pretty obvious this is a tribal war between Pashtun tribes. Unfortunately we are trapped in the middle of the mess. But you missed my point buddy. ISIS, Taliban, Haqqani,.. most of the craziest and bloodiest fanatics in Afghanistan are Pashtuns.

My point is: why Pashtuns tend to be a constant source of trouble everywhere?? Its not just in Afghanistna. Same thing happens in Pakistan. Even in Iran. Zahedan or near to Afghanistan, such as Khaf, are well known places for drug dealers, terrorists and other troublemakers. Explain this.

Thank you.

[Elite Pakhtun]

Pretty obvious this is a tribal war between Pashtun tribes. Unfortunately we are trapped in the middle of the mess. But you missed my point buddy. ISIS, Taliban, Haqqani,.. most of the craziest and bloodiest fanatics in Afghanistan are Pashtuns.

My point is: why Pashtuns tend to be a constant source of trouble everywhere?? Its not just in Afghanistna. Same thing happens in Pakistan. Even in Iran. Zahedan or near to Afghanistan, such as Khaf, are well known places for drug dealers, terrorists and other troublemakers. Explain this.

Thank you.

OK I edited my post but you already replied by the time it got published. Might want to re-read it? Idk, I think you got the jist of it.

Drug dealing is simple business, nothing wrong with it. It's a black market someone will do it. It's likely you have to be ruthless in such fields (like all fields if I'm honest) and also likely that having warrior race skills (otherwise referred to as barbarism, or some such synonym) helps. Maybe that's why they're dominating right now.

This trouble stuff only happens when there's conflict. There was no trouble before Russians. After Russians in came Mujahideen who were then transformed to Taliban etc etc. Was this an issue pre-conflict?

What's happening in Afghanistan? There's tribal warfare? I thought they were trying to oust the govt?

[Manzareh]

Pashtuns are like xyz... How do you know???...well erm this one guy on a forum said.... The comments on s YouTube vid said ...

[Elite Pakhtun]

I'm not encouraging drug business, I'm saying someone will sell it no matter what... just thought I'd throw that in there

[Hunter]

Pashtuns are like xyz... How do you know???...well erm this one guy on a forum said.... The comments on s YouTube vid said ...

Serious question, how many GCSE's do you have?