6 women kidnapped, 4 raped every day in 2014

[Smarty]

Again making up stuff, in other thread you posted some exemples of so called pashtun look. So looks have nothing to do with being pashtun according to your own post.

And as expected in camps they turned out to be tajiks and hazaras, these actually go to Iran and not Pakistan. And no afghani pashtuns are not integrated as well as you would like to beleve. I clearly see huge difference here between afghani pashtuns and pakistani pashtuns. One live in tents like gypsy, begging on streets etc While Pakistani pashtuns don't, one can blame poverty for that but again proves the point that integration is not happening.

Few rich ones had easy time integrating but 95% of them live like gypsy on other people land.

Rape as form of punishment only imply to Afghanistan culture in genral including pashtuns, all are primitive. Afghanis throw rape word around like its nothing, afghani mod gandool only know how to insult by involving rape. This is part of your culture no matter how much you deny it.

Pashtun nomads (Kochis or powindas), who you are calling gypsies, are always armed and no ones messes with them and their women in Pakistan. Even their women uses guns. In our area they got into fight with some group, they formed a circular morcha from their caravan for defense and their men and women started firing with machine guns, making the local attackers run away. They women dont cover their faces and their young girls are very beautiful yet no one dares to mess with them in Pakistan. In Afghanistan, you must have heard about kochi-hazara wars.

[tripledouble]

Raping little boys isn't any better

[tilla_jogian]

Rapes happen in areas where you can get away with it. A somebody who raped a 5 year old girl in Lahore and left her at hospital gate , disappeared into the crowd of city. In rural Punjab , the powerful preys on weak. Even the notorious policemen of punjab in a village, in some cases, have entered into the houses of some minor criminals and raped their women. They raped thousands of women of weak bengalis in 71. Why the same soldiers cant rape the women of tribal areas? because they are scared of consequences. A Pakistani Punjabi fauji trying to run away with a Turi girl of Parachinar, was captured on time by villagers, he was stoned to death. Pakistan's army, which has camp in Parachinar, kept silence and didnt take any action. Pashtuns have very strict honour code and customary laws, which doesnt exist in Punjab and Sindh.

What you are describing about that army officer being killed is honour killing which is jahil society practice. It happens all over Pakistan. But you guys describe as part of culture and ghairat, honour etc. lol pathetic

"The number of honour killings was also highest in Punjab with 362 reported cases as compared to 212 of Sindh, 60 of KP and 77 of Balochistan. 2 cases of honour killings were also reported in ISLAMABAD."

I never heard of any rape in rural areas here, doesn't mean it does not happen at all because I never heard of it. Its low because its hard to get away in rural areas compared to cities, with that I agree with you. Especially when it comes to raping some random women which is rarity. Also you ignore 40% of your low caste population, they are weak. Not everyone in pashtun traditional society is pashtun but they never get counted anyway when it comes to these things. Now rapes

"The number of women raped or gang raped was alarmingly high in Punjab with 1408 reported cases. 85 women were raped or gang raped in Sindh, 5 cases were reported in KP, 4 in Balochistan and 13 in ICT with no such case reported in Fata."

I am 100% sure 85 cases in Sindh are reported in Karachi and Hydrabad. Interior sindh will be near 0 just like FATA. Lets bury our head in sand.



edit: that was pure propaganda, if rapes happened in Bangladesh then they were few isolated cases and could have been involved pashtuns as well. They were sure never as widespread as Soviets soldiers rape of women in Afghan war.

[tilla_jogian]

Pashtun nomads (Kochis or powindas), who you are calling gypsies, are always armed and no ones messes with them and their women in Pakistan. Even their women uses guns. In our area they got into fight with some group, they formed a circular morcha from their caravan for defense and their men and women started firing with machine guns, making the local attackers run away. They women dont cover their faces and their young girls are very beautiful yet no one dares to mess with them in Pakistan. In Afghanistan, you must have heard about kochi-hazara wars.

They are not like that, only very old women are without taliban burqa. And neither their men have any arms, they behave good. They probably have it where they live but not openly. But their way living is similar to how I described. Our areas are not as lawless where you need arms for basic protection.

The only problem is that Islamic law of blood money. No one gets away with killing here, police always gets the killer. But blood money law mean many times killer will get away by paying even as little as 30 lakh rupees to family. Some times in crores but it depend on both sides. If other side is poor then they think after year or two and take the money. But if you kill someone then revenge is always around the corner despite outside court settlement. Its cycle, never ends. Down the road even after 10-20 years no one knows when they will strike.

[Toramana]

I am 100% sure 85 cases in Sindh are reported in Karachi and Hydrabad. Interior sindh will be near 0 just like FATA. Lets bury our head in sand.

Mr. Jogian, that 100% sure claim is plainly ridiculous. You don't have figures and statistics and you make tall claims just on the basis of a hunch. It is you that are burying your head in the sand.

[tilla_jogian]

Ah but you said LOOKS do have to do with being Pashtun, so you contradict yourself. But the point being is that you have no idea of whether or not these people are Pashtun, so it's absolutely useless to use it as a reference. The one in camps tend to be Tajik or Hazara because they can't integrate with the rest of KPK. Pashtuns tend to not be in camps because they can integrate. You're not even Pashtun yourself so you'd have no idea anyways.

Either way my point still holds; Your claim is speculation; where as ours is based on direct concrete evidence.

Nope, i didn't say that. I know pashtuns comes in all shape and forms. I am not ignorant. Hell afghani pashtuns say they look like afghani Tajiks while Pakistani pashtuns look like hindus to them. So lets not get in to looks? lol

[tilla_jogian]

Mr. Jogian, that 100% sure claim is plainly ridiculous. You don't have figures and statistics and you make tall claims just on the basis of a hunch. It is you that are burying your head in the sand.

Common sense, its a patern. Lets look at 2013 rapes.

"According to data provided by the Madadgar National Helpline Founder Zia Ahmed Awan, at least 370 women were raped while 185 incidents of gang-rape were reported across the country."

http://nation.com.pk/national/07-Mar-2014/1600-pakistani-women-murdered-370-raped-in-2013

Why such huge increase in 2014? Because police most have done better job, "actual rapes" and not just reported rapes will only come down if rapists are punished.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Raping little boys isn't any better

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pakistan/253112-Lahore-6yearold-boy-killed-after-rape

You have us beat in that arena as well.

[tripledouble]

http://dunyanews.tv/index.php/en/Pak...led-after-rape

You have us beat in that arena as well.

Tsk tsk tsk, BTW these generalizations of ethnic groups is immature

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Nope, i didn't say that. I know pashtuns comes in all shape and forms. I am not ignorant. Hell afghani pashtuns say they look like afghani Tajiks while Pakistani pashtuns look like hindus to them. So lets not get in to looks? lol

You did say it though....

All looked typical afghani pashtuns,.......

Now you're back peddling again which demonstrates that you're just grasping for anything you can use without any substance behind it.

I've never seen an Afghan Pashtun say he looks Tajik, haha Your information is based on forum lurking .....the MOST UNRELIABLE source of information possible..

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Tsk tsk tsk, BTW these generalizations of ethnic groups is immature

But searching for Pornographic material on the net and then posing it on a forum is mature? Tsk tsk The backwards values of the Punjabay.

[tripledouble]

But searching for Pornographic material on the net and then posing it on a forum is mature? Tsk tsk The backwards values of the Punjabay.

I'm not punjabay fooool, hazarewal r not Punjabi and I just posted soft porn for academic reasons since u claim that these stuff don't happen in pashtun culture, but I prove its very common

BTW first video they weren't husband wife but both girls were making out with both guys, def not married unless polyamory allowed in pashtunwali

Second video was afghan refugee girl perhaps daama trribe with afghan tribal man

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I'm not punjabay fooool, hazarewal r not Punjabi and I just posted soft porn for academic reasons since u claim that these stuff don't happen in pashtun culture, but I prove its very common

BTW first video they weren't husband wife but both girls were making out with both guys, def not married unless polyamory allowed in pashtunwali

Second video was afghan refugee girl perhaps daama trribe with afghan tribal man

This isn't an academic forum sir. The fact you know where to find this stuff, suggests that you are acquainted with it. No that wasn't my claim; my claim is that this stuff isn't ACCEPTED and given GRACE in Pashtun culture. That people who do these things have to hide in secrecy because the widespread cultural disgrace they would face.

On the flipside The Heera Mandi is right outside of Badshahi Masjid. QUITE a contrast.

The second video has no evidence of it being Afghan except that Nazia Iqbal's music was dubbed over it. The first video the people are clearly speaking Pasho but we don't know if they're married or not. Although that would still be frowned on in Pashtun culture. If they're married it can't be placed on the same level as Heera Mundi ...seriously, You Pakis are so desperate to get dirt you'll grab anything without thinking it through.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Punjab crimes against person for 2015 from January-March..

538 rapes
46 gang rapes..

http://punjabpolice.gov.pk/crimesstatistics

[tripledouble]

This isn't an academic forum sir. The fact you know where to find this stuff, suggests that you are acquainted with it. No that wasn't my claim; my claim is that this stuff isn't ACCEPTED and given GRACE in Pashtun culture. That people who do these things have to hide in secrecy because the widespread cultural disgrace they would face.

On the flipside The Heera Mandi is right outside of Badshahi Masjid. QUITE a contrast.

The second video has no evidence of it being Afghan except that Nazia Iqbal's music was dubbed over it. The first video the people are clearly speaking Pasho but we don't know if they're married or not. Although that would still be frowned on in Pashtun culture. If they're married it can't be placed on the same level as Heera Mundi ...seriously, You Pakis are so desperate to get dirt you'll grab anything without thinking it through.

that website dailymotion is not porn site but a youtube-like video sharing site, like vimeo and others; sinec youtube got banned, most vids from pak are posted there whether news content or sports stuff

Heera Mandi is overrated, it's just name no game, everybody talk about this 1 redlight district in lahore, so naive, u think they stupid to run business same place they r badnaam, every city even Kabul, has a redlight district; prostitution is oldest profession in the world

I grab the least dirtiest videos brah, there even worse videos of afghan women selling themselves to doctors to pay bills or university professors for better grades,