6 women kidnapped, 4 raped every day in 2014

[tilla_jogian]

So you're saying Punjab society is more progressive because it has a ridiculously higher incidence of rape & kidnapping. 1408 times more rape than FATA.

You have the plot backwards sir

Sir you was raped as child, did rapist get any jail time? Not right? Does this mean since no one reported it means nothing happened? Is that how you guys go about your life? Lets bury hard truth which will wash away our sins.

Now if you are grown up, then you most have raped some afghani kid as tradition. You are here which mean no one reported as usual.

[Toramana]

Again you are not making any sense as usual. Someone with 100s of acres are only found in sindh or south punjab/seraiki areas. They are known as waderas. In rest of punjab and azad kashmir there are small landowners just like in KPK. But these lands are owned by few zamindar tribes who have sizeable population. Here I am talking about zamindar and kammi people not waderas and their slaves as is the case in south punjab/sindh.

And just as the case in KPK/Fata kammi people are never seen as equal. More repoting occurs because almost 50% of punjab population is urban compared 15% in KPK or 0% in FATA. What happen in remote areas stay there. Punjab is quickly being urbanized and kammi people are gaining influence. Even Raheel Sharif is half kasbi which is artisan caste.

Ok. Fifty percent is a very high figure. A more accurate figure may be 35%. Even if the cases are reported in urban areas, it is still much higher. One should compare it with figures for urban areas of Sindh and KP instead of speculating vainly to appear brave.

I still suspect most of these cases occur in rural Punjab.

But one should look at district-wise statistics.

Plus most pashtuns don't considerer raping non-pashtun women as rape if this forum is anything to go by. So if they rape some kammi like you, its considered perfectly normal and part of culture.

No. Raping someone's woman will have the consequence of the offender being killed whether the offender is affluent or not. Therefore people do not take the risk. Even insults can lead to murders. Therefore people are nice to each others even in normal talk unlike Punjab where "thu thu mai mai" happen all the time.

And you can pump the Zamindari pride up yourself as much as you want but you don't take further liberty with my name. I hope you understand my point.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Sir you was raped as child, did rapist get any jail time? Not right? Does this mean since no one reported it means nothing happened? Is that how you guys go about your life? Lets bury hard truth which will wash away our sins.

Now if you are grown up, then you most have raped some afghani kid as tradition. You are here which mean no one reported as usual.

I like how when you're backed into a corner you resort to making personal attacks. If you don't like what people have to say about your country Go to another forum. It' THAT simple.


Anyways the fact remains 1408 Cases are confirmed, but you're speculating. Punjab by evidence is a rape hub. Deal with it.

[tilla_jogian]

Ok. Fifty percent is a very high figure. A more accurate figure may be 35%. Even if the cases are reported in urban areas, it is still much higher. One should compare it with figures for urban areas of Sindh and KP instead of speculating vainly to appear brave.

I still suspect most of these cases occur in rural Punjab.

But one should look at district-wise statistics.



No. Raping someone's woman will have the consequence of the offender being killed whether the offender is affluent or not. Therefore people do not take the risk. Even insults can lead to murders. Therefore people are nice to each others even in normal talk unlike Punjab where "thu thu mai mai" happen all the time.

And you can pump the Zamindari pride up yourself as much as you want but you don't take further liberty with my name. I hope you understand my point.

44% is couple of years old figure, now it maybe close to 50% in Punjab. Offender is only killed if high caste pashtun raped some non-kammi women by mistake in KPK/FATA. This is not the case in Punjab where everyone will be punished.

What you suspect in Canada and what happen in real life in Pakistan are two different things. You was brainwashed in to thinking you was son of Abdali, so it will take some time to clear your head.

[Toramana]

You was born and raised in Canada which is anything but pashtun society. Few days ago you was proud son of Abdali and now have finally seen some light. KPK caste system and punjab caste system is 100% identical, in fact its similar all over Pakistan rural areas. So if punjab caste system is hindu then is the case with KPK where likes of you are kammi by birth and nothing can change that.

In pashtun society they fight when offended but what about your society? You are not pashtun but low caste, your kin doesn't care about these things and neither they fight anyone over petty things like ghairat.

No. Don't derive satisfaction in that assumption. I was born in Pukhtunkhwa and lived most of my life in KP as well. There is no caste system in KP in the sense which in Punjab is where it seems to be a variation of the Hindu caste system. Pashtun society is already almost flat / even structurally. It is a more virtuous society where the type of caste system you are telling us above is an alien concept to people the presence of artisan classes and normal class distinctions and wealth disparities not withstanding.

[tilla_jogian]

I like how when you're backed into a corner you resort to making personal attacks. If you don't like what people have to say about your country Go to another forum. It' THAT simple.


Anyways the fact remains 1408 Cases are confirmed, but you're speculating. Punjab by evidence is a rape hub. Deal with it.

That post hit a nerve but my question was logical, reporting happen because society has advanced to certain point. When was the last time any bacha baz was reported in Afghanistan? Lets bury our head in sand and everything will be forgotten.

Did any afghani women in refugee camp report rape? Probably not but UN have done extensive reaserach and womens are raped on daily basis but they never come out to report. Anyway lets ignore UN as well.

[Toramana]

And you should be ashamed to be so proud of the existence of caste system. Don't prop up your ego and massage your inferiority complexes by taking pride in that sick evil culture. KP is far far better. We are proud of that.

[tilla_jogian]

No. Don't derive satisfaction in that assumption. I was born in Pukhtunkhwa and lived most of my life in KP as well. There is no caste system in KP in the sense which in Punjab is where it seems to be a variation of the Hindu caste system. Pashtun society is already almost flat / even structurally. It is a more virtuous society where people the type of caste system you are telling us above is an alien concept to people the presence of artisan classes and normal class distinctions and wealth disparities not withstanding.

lmfao, KPK caste system is identical to hindu one where birth in certain family decide who you are. No matter if one speak same language or anyother bs. You are one delusional person and liar. You have been thinking yourself as as pashtun so I doubt you have lived anywhere near pashtuns in traditional pashtun society. You are ignorant who just happen to speak pashto.

[tilla_jogian]

And you should be ashamed to be so proud of the existence of caste system. Don't prop up your ego and massage your inferiority complexes by taking pride in that sick evil culture. KP is far far better. We are proud of that.

lol its actually in Punjab where kammi are advancing in everyway possible. 50% of punjab population is urban now compared to 10-15% in KPK.

Not in your traditinal pashtun society. As I said you was born and raised in Canada so its pointless. I just told you that attitude of pashtuns here when you asked about being pakhtun because you speak pashto and all that was similar to punjab rural areas. It was not just smarty but even your own forum buddys showed you mirror.

Thats why lately your threads are only dedicated to kammi issues. And how kammis are better then jahil tribals because they can make cloths.

[Toramana]

I don't know what is wrong with the people of Punjab. They are in the habit of emulating the most evil things others do to appear powerful. I will tell you a real story here.

Sometimes back there was a high police official with the name of Abid Ali posted to KP. I don't know what was wrong with him but he thought by humiliating people he can earn respect among Pashtuns. He started humiliating those that were involved in feuds. Sometimes he will tie people behind his vehicle and drag them on the ground.

Now these things are considered grave insults in KP. KP police officers would not do it out of their own sense of dignity. After sometimes, someone killed Abid Ali. But I don't know what was his background. Now Mr till will claim he was a Kammie.

[tilla_jogian]

I don't think what is wrong with the people of Punjab. They are in the habit of emulating the most evil things to appear powerful. I will tell you a real story here.

Sometimes there was a high police official with the name of Abid Ali posted to KP. I don't know what was wrong with him but he thought by humiliating people he can earn respect among Pashtuns. He started humiliating those that were involved in feuds. Sometimes he will tie people behind his vehicle and drag them on the ground.

Now these things are considered grave insults. KP police officers would not do it out of their own sense of dignity. After sometimes, someone killed Abid Ali. But I don't know what was his background. Now Mr till will claim he was a Kammie.

He was just your imagination. If he was real then job well done to humiliate crimnals like that. Unless ofcourse feuds are part of culture just like rape so it doesn't matter.

[Toramana]

Mr. tilla although born and raised in KP I don't have much exposure to Punjab. I will like to see and study its culture. But what you are telling me is not leaving a good impression on me about Punjab's culture.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

That post hit a nerve but my question was logical, reporting happen because society has advanced to certain point. When was the last time any bacha baz was reported in Afghanistan? Lets bury our head in sand and everything will be forgotten.

Did any afghani women in refugee camp report rape? Probably not but UN have done extensive reaserach and womens are raped on daily basis but they never come out to report. Anyway lets ignore UN as well.

It's our posts that are hitting your nerves; you wouldn't make personal jabs if you weren't emotionally distressed by us deriding punjab You're simply MAKING stuff up about people is THE OPPOSITE of logic, it's precisely what is, fabricating.

The fact remains that the DATA that exists points to Punjab .....if you have real data to the contrary present it. Till then your culture has Rape enshrined in it.

[Toramana]

http://www.dawn.com/news/224063/bannu-dig-driver-shot-dead

Bannu DIG, driver shot dead

PESHAWAR, Dec 18: DIG Police Bannu Abid Ali was shot dead, along with his driver, near here on Monday night. According to a security official, the DIG was on his way to Peshawar. When the car he was travelling in reached Matani in Peshawar district around 11:45pm, unidentified gunmen fired a volley of bullets at it. As a result, the DIG and his driver died on the spot.

“The incident looks like targeted killing,” said the official.

Before being promoted as DIG, Mr Ali had served as SSP Kohat and SSP Peshawar.

[tilla_jogian]

Mr. tilla although born and raised in KP I don't have much exposure to Punjab. I will like to see and study its culture. But what you are telling me is not leaving a good impression on me about Punjab's culture.

I am not here to leave good impression, just being honest about kammi status in all over Pakistan. I am mussali my self. Low caste people now days are in fore front of Pakistan development. Only cure is urbanization. But likes of you who want to remain slaves of Afghanis by making KPK part of Afghanistan. This dream will never come true, kammi people will rise and kill every afghani ******* so this never happen. After that there is posiblity of Afghanistan being part of Pakistan, especially without afghanis in it.

Punjabi culture is not visiting Islamabad and Lahore, its in rural punjab and living there.