afghan or pakistani

[randolph85]

yeah but come on, this is like saying central asia was "Turanistan", because they had Turks as the primary inhabitants, the actual construct of a nation state is well British, people keep dancing around that with tangents but it is true. This reference from Baburnama does more to hurt the cause of Afghanistan than help, most of the places referenced here are currently parts of the "Modern State" of Afghanistan but were not originally, they were themselves very distinct from Pashtun regions. It is just like Persian nationalists who speak of a "Khurasan" , which is a geographic reference than an actual State. It is simply a reference that a lot of "this type of peoplle" live in this area.

that was what i was kind of getting at, but not really lol. afghanistan and pakistan of today are external constructs which have little legitimacy, but legitimacy is relative so we can leave that for another debate. what i was approaching was that pashtuns loyalties to pakistan are politically based, had they been absorbed by china they would be proud chinese today. on the other side of the coin you have pashtuns who are proud to be afghan but hate their governments. what i was getting at was that there was a notion of an afghanistan, based on the local homeland of pashtuns long before europeans had a chance to shape our nations. an afghanistan defined by geography, culture, race, language, that didn't have to proclaim their land as afghanistan but was recognized as such by outsiders like babur.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I don't know if I would go and call it a "homeland" but I get your point. I mean Pashtuns generally fought each other for power and territory, often aligning themselves with foreigners to fight other Pashtuns. Take for example the Ghilzais of Ghazni cooperating with Sultan Ghaznawi to fight the possibly unconverted Pashtuns I think it is no more of a reference to a homeland than America was to the natives.

[کیش]

I would say Pakistani.

[real paSHtun]

Give it a rest, the poster is trying to instigate the 50,000th discussion of this topic. Could be a parsiwaan or could be an urdoobaan. Could be an ANPite. Doesnt matter at this point and its just a waste of space to discuss. No one is changing their mind on this topic. Circumstance will push the mind to change.

lol really could be a Farsiwan (not Parsiwaan) and what would be wrong if i was, see it is because of you people afghanistan is falling apart farsiwans are afghan to

farsiwanam afghan niste ?
farsiwan afghan naa de ?

and urdubaan well i dont care about them

[BarakzaiAbdali]

lol really could be a Farsiwan (not Parsiwaan) and what would be wrong if i was, see it is because of you people afghanistan is falling apart farsiwans are afghan to

farsiwanam afghan niste ?
farsiwan afghan naa de ?

and urdubaan well i dont care about them

They came from Mars. Hid UFO outside of Kabul.

[DaMalakandGhar]

because they moved to Canada and Canada didnt move to them.
in your case you stood on your own land and became another nationality.
if i moved from Afghanistan to pakistan(lets say karachi) than having pakistani nationality would be the same as i would have moved to canada and hold canadian nationality.

pa khair shadogiya---yara bacha tha kho lag okhyar shawai yai, ila ma darna chrtha da aqal khabara wawraida---

[Shehbaz Khan]

When you do that, your an obsticle for the survival of your indegenous culture, language, and homeland.

When you can keep your moral values and culture intact in England you can do that in Pakistan too.. Only if you wish to !!

[Shehbaz Khan]

because they moved to Canada and Canada didnt move to them.
in your case you stood on your own land and became another nationality.
if i moved from Afghanistan to pakistan(lets say karachi) than having pakistani nationality would be the same as i would have moved to canada and hold canadian nationality.

What was Lahore called before Partition? United India? Now should they start saying that we are Indian Nationals? What happened in the past happened there .. What am I today? Am I an Afghan (By Nationality)? No, I am not. So I am a Pakistani whether I like it or not this is what I am .. I vote within the due restrictions of Pakistan .. I live under it's constitution .. This is no part of Afghanistan today.. That's it .. That's the way it is

[khushal]

When you can keep your moral values and culture intact in England you can do that in Pakistan too.. Only if you wish to !!

Your not getting it, reread Shadows last post and see if you can figure it out. The paksitani education sysytem has done its magic on you

[Shehbaz Khan]

...because you accept a British Lord traveling thousands of miles, repainting your house, telling you that you are someone else and then leaving.

If you don´t see the difference then no one can help you.

You aren't seeing the difference here today .. Am I an Afghan (By Nationality)? Or a Pakistani? Suppose tomorrow if I go to any part of the world for the sake of Education or anything else? What will be my Nationlity? Which passport will I be carrying?

[Shehbaz Khan]

because Pakistan sucks lol.

Well I haven't been to Afghanistan and didn't spend much time in Pakistan so I don't know, But I don't like Pakistan.
If Pakhtunkhwa goes to Afghanistan then I wouldn't, at least our language and culture will become stronger.

Already spoke about it in reply to Khushaal's post

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ Again? !! You are telling me something wrong happened.. What about today? Today is Pakhtunkhwa a part of Pakistan or Afghanistan?

[khushal]

^^
Its apart of PAkistan because of people like you(the obsticle)

[Shehbaz Khan]

^^
Its apart of PAkistan because of people like you(the obsticle)

People like me? How? Did I tell you back than that you should sell this land to British?

[Shehbaz Khan]

well to many it isnt part of pakistan.
the existance and history of pakistan is a drop in the ocean.

How it's not a part of Pakistan?