Support shuttlecock burqa

[*Mahzala*]

I think dressing modestly is always beneficial.

De ke hets shak neshta

[Palwasha]

Know what I mean, gulono?

BUT... just to comment on one point you made ... you said that it may obviously be the only way, but at least it reduces the woman's chances of being targeted.

I agree ... but here's my problem: By covering ourselves so much, are we REALLY helping solve the problem of those hungry beasts who are looking for women to rape? Or are we submitting to their beliefs and wishes and placing the burdens of morality and peace and stability in our society, which we share with our male counterparts as well? Are there any other solutions to the problems of hungry beasts, or is this the only one?

I feel as if we're taking the easy way out by telling the woman that she must cover if she wants to be safe in a society. Really, we're not doing a society any good if the only way a woman can be covered is by having her cover, be it her hair or her entire body. I say this because we're promoting the message to men that "any woman who isn't covered WANTS your attention; she WANTS to be raped/molested/teased; she WANTS you to approach her; she is SUPPOSED to be molested/raped if she is not covered from head to toe or her hair is showing."

You get my point, kana? Basically, I believe we're giving the wrong message to men by having the woman cover up so much.

That's just one interpretation kana. I think it's all this exposure of women in the media and what not which make the already strong desires, in men, stronger. I don't think the hijaab necessarily makes non-hijaabi's a target, rather it's the men themselves who'll prey on the easiest thing they can get.

However, I completely get your point. As usual, very well expressed.

[*Mahzala*]

^how do you define modesty.

for a women.

How do I define modesty? Hmmm, I think I may have addressed this in previous posts, but Khair, *scratches head*. Lets see, erm ...

... I think modesty cannot be defined as easily as other things. And to make it harder, over time, not only its definition, but the whole concept has changed and is changing. What would have been considered modest half a decade ago would be considered extreme today, and what is considered modest today, would be frankly shamelessness and obscene back then. So today, a high neck lined shirt and a full length pant or three-quarter skirt may be considered modest (dress wise), but then back then, it was as if you were bare compared to the mainstream women who wore three layer dresses, full length gloves, shawls, covered shoes and even hats. And this is Europe I am talking about. Again, if we limit modesty to dress, then the 19th Century Indian courtesans were the limit of modesty, with their three-piece clothing, not revealing an inch of skin, and two-metre dupattas as a forth piece, coming around their bodies. Also, every person defines it differently too of course, as they bring certain baggage with themselves, defining it or basing it on things like culture or religion and thus using the latter as an example would cause many to want to slap the life out of me.

Modesty is apparent as a surface feature on many, either by the way they dress or conduct themselves. But it is not limited to dress. It is evident from basic things like your gaze, the way you talk, the way you walk, who you talk to and how you talk to them, what you're talking about and how you're talking about it. It is the formality and propreity of your manners too. Modesty isn't simply defined by clothes, not every Hijaabi is modest and not every non-Hijaabi (including non-Muslims) is not modest. I have many Muslim friends at university. I also have many non-Muslim friends, and believe you me, I prefer to hang around the non-Muslim ones. Why? Because I don't believe that to wear a scarf, you've reached a certain level. With that scarf goes hand in hand many more characteristics, and if absent, that Hijaab is not serving its purpose. And if absent, don't paint a very nice picture, setting a very ugly scene I think.

I am not one who takes things to extremes. In saying that, I don't take serious things lightly either. I am not one of those who will avoid walking into an elevator because there is a lone man standing in it. I often find at university that some men/women will, when the elevator door is opened and a Muslim of the opposite gender is inside, their heads and eyes will automatically go in the other direction and repeatedly press the button so as to wait for the next one. You see, things should be dealt with according to the extent of their harm. Some consider us freaks of some kind from Planet X with sexual disorders because of these extreme lines we have drawn. I find that annoying and disturbing. I am not one of those either who when offered a handshake by a man, grab the loose ends of my scarf and use as a barrier in returning the gesture. Because modesty doesn't end there. I do not give a lot of emphasis to the argument of a woman appearing attractive, lustful and 'availabe' if she is not in Hijaab and protected, secure, 'unavailable' and less 'looked at' in Hijaab. Because simply, that is not true. I comes down to the individual, full stop. That same Hijaabi may be seen attractive and available to her own kind and vice-versa. This, of course, is a different topic and has come up in many many many other threads , but it comes down to it being one of the many commands, that should be obeyed, for those with understandig. I don't like to throw everyone into the same boat. I have drifted, I know.

Come to think of it, I don't think I even answered your question.

[*Mahzala*]

Chino, da tse kay marha, da khabere kho munga tso threads ke khlasekerhedi. But to give you a short answer, I hope shall suffice for now, I already wear a full Hijaab, many consider it extreme (I don't however). The rest, you can dig out in the threads, I suppose.

And no, no need to apologise, not off topic at all. I've addressed it in my own post, but answering your question seems I would just be repeating myself.

[Master Khan]

I am all for Hijab.

it makes the ladies look prett.

You mean Respectful.

[Zari]

ive soooooo worn it...;D

[Zari]

the burqa i mean..;D

[Zari]

lol....yeah..:D....its new and different for me....i only wear it when i go to my country..:P....but i normally wear a niqab.....;D

[*Mahzala*]

PathanGal101: I apologise for this assumption, but you sound very young. And Niqaab, MashaAllah.

Welcome to the forum, I look forward to your posts.

[Zari]

hahaha..:P..manana...i have a very conservative family..;D...were very traditional..:D...and yeah i am prety young..;D....

[*Mahzala*]

I think we have more ladies here compared to our men.

... start a poll. But we'll win it anyway!

[Badlun]

I am sorry to say but I hate the word Pathan which etymologically means robber, dacoit, thief, child kidnapper and is a miosnomer which even many Pashtuns dont know that its a curse word and all Pashtun haters use it to discriminate , ridicule and underestimate Pashtins. Some where else we can have a detailed discussion on it

Here on the HIJAB/NIQAB/PARDAH issue I would like to say that this hijab etc is really a conspiracy against Muslim women generally and Pashtun women specially. Dress should be decent one and accorfing to the climate and situation. Thats all. Its not a big issue.In warm araes dress should be light and vice versa in cold areas. Similarly it should be formal, informal etc according to the situation.

Pashtun women should come out in rebellion against the dress code imposed upon them by their male masters and by the illiterate mullas and taliban. They should dress decently as done by any other woman whetehr Muslim or not. Religion has nothing to do with your dresses, Its part of the culture not religion. Religion deals with your faith, worship amd morality not with your dress, Do you think all Muslim women dress equally in the whole Muslim world. No there is a hell of difference.

Burka is the extreme form of enslaving a Pashtun woman. Its cruelty, barbarity and the ugliest form of a dress. How can you cover a human being in aa sack like a packet of potatos or onion. Please discourage its use. Its a curse.

[Badlun]

Pashtun women dress is an important issue. More than 90 % Pashtun women even cant show their faces in public. They have to cover their whole body like we cover a corpse in coffin. Saudi Arabia and Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan (Pashtunland)are the only two examples even in Muslim world where women are obliged to cover their faces. This is a clear absurdity , an extreme stupidity in this modern era that you dont let a human being even not to show her face.

However we should avoid extremes of shuttle cock burkas and mini skirts. If A Pashtun woman is a profesional lady , if she is intelligent, if she is knowledgable, if she is intellectual and she is Pashtun by race and by practice , she sepaks Pashto, she writes Pashto , she teaches Pashto to her children - all these are important , not how she lives, where she lives , she wears skirt or paint shirt or kamees partug -these are non essential for me ,-however we should avoid both the extremes-mini skirt and shuttle cock burKa are two extremes , we should find a middle way especially when a Pashtun woman live in Pashtunland till the time comes when dress does not remain an important issue as we see nowa days in modern developed world of Europe, America etc.

[Master Khan]

No I told my girl to start wearing it after all the men were staring at her in a wedding..really made me angry.
She don't wear a burqa but one of those scafs that women wear in Swabi,Peshawar etc.

[pukhtana]

No I told my girl to start wearing it after all the men were staring at her in a wedding..really made me angry.
She don't wear a burqa but one of those scafs that women wear in Swabi,Peshawar etc.

That is so cute.