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[roadrunner]

a full skirt is hardly a polish dress. it's not like poles are the only people to wear full skirts

The Burkha or Niqab is not a cultural tradition. It comes from an interpretation of religion that is not traditionally a Pashtun one.

[kakargirl]

a full skirt is hardly a polish dress. it's not like poles are the only people to wear full skirts

The Burkha or Niqab is not a cultural tradition. It comes from an interpretation of religion that is not traditionally a Pashtun one.

well pashtuns the strict traditional ones take islam very seriously ,no one force our women to wear it we wear because we want to , i was given a choice at the age 14, i chose to wear it

[roadrunner]

if as a Pashtun you took traditional Pashtun Islam seriously, you'd have nothing to do with the Burkha/Niqab.

Traditional Pashtun Islam is not of the Salafist/Middle Eastern variety

[kakargirl]

if as a Pashtun you took traditional Pashtun Islam seriously, you'd have nothing to do with the Burkha/Niqab.

Traditional Pashtun Islam is not of the Salafist/Middle Eastern variety

ok let me ask you this your here discusing burqa, but what about the western clothing worn by so called pashtun women why dont you discuss that, why are you never on those threads.

[Zayam]

I have worn one before, and although the piece of material is really quite beautiful, I think when worn it makes the women look like something out of a weird science fiction. the one very positive thing about wearing it for me was that, it sat tightly, as I always have trouble with my veil sliding down the back of my head-except during prayer. So what I like about it is that it sits like a hat, and that no one can see where my gaze goes. But I do not like the optical look of it, and it is actually putting women in danger as it is something like a horse with blinders on, you can't see left or right very well, and on a busy road, it could be life threatening.

Anything is oppression if one doesn't have a choice!

[ScimitarXEdge]

if as a Pashtun you took traditional Pashtun Islam seriously, you'd have nothing to do with the Burkha/Niqab.

Traditional Pashtun Islam is not of the Salafist/Middle Eastern variety

the practice of veiling actually goes back quite a few centuries even amongst Pakhtuns

You actually have things in reverse, the traditional Islam doesn't have facial veiling as a mandated aspect of it's practices; but Pakhtuns out of their hyper intensity for honor started optioning for the veil as a stronger manifestation.

here's a painting of Peshawar in 1857



tell me what do you notice about the women in this painting; bear in mind this is before the Salafist upsurge in the Middle East which occurred 40 years later.

[roadrunner]

ok let me ask you this your here discusing burqa, but what about the western clothing worn by so called pashtun women why dont you discuss that, why are you never on those threads.

Yes, fine. What about the western dress worn by pashtun women?

[Zayam]

I prefer the Burqa that I have from Saudi. Long black thin coat, and veil tied across my face, with just my eyes showing. Rather mysterious, don't you think?

[khashayar]

Eh NO more like creepy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

ok let me ask you this your here discusing burqa, but what about the western clothing worn by so called pashtun women why dont you discuss that, why are you never on those threads.

I have a feeling that many people who claim that somehow the veil is not within traditional Pakhtun culture; actually have no idea what traditional Pakhtun culture is.

check out this 150 year old painting of Peshawar.

[Zayam]

Yes, fine. What about the western dress worn by pashtun women?

I think Muslim women should dress modestly as an expression of their love for Allah. Yet each Muslim will have to decide depending on the society she lives in what modesty means.

[kakargirl]

I prefer the Burqa that I have from Saudi. Long black thin coat, and veil tied across my face, with just my eyes showing. Rather mysterious, don't you think?

nice one zayam you choose to wear it and that is great, and yes it does sound mysterious .

[Zayam]

...anyway the veil goes back much further than 150 years, in the west as well as the east. I find veils very beautiful.

[roadrunner]

the practice of veiling actually goes back quite a few centuries even amongst Pakhtuns

You actually have things in reverse, the traditional Islam doesn't have facial veiling as a mandated aspect of it's practices; but Pakhtuns out of their hyper intensity for honor started optioning for the veil as a stronger manifestation.

here's a painting of Peshawar in 1857



tell me what do you notice about the women in this painting; bear in mind this is before the Salafist upsurge in the Middle East which occurred 40 years later.

I certainly wasn't talking about the 1800's, but way before that.

It is possibly true that in the 1800s veiling was more common. Afghanistan was not very stable at the time with heavy warfare going on (the Anglo-Afghan wars).

Salafist Islam was just a continuation of the Middle Eastern tradition of veiling. It just formalized it as part of religion.

Veiling was not a tradition of pashtuns.

[ScimitarXEdge]

another picture of Peshawar from the 1880's still before the Salafist upsurge in the middle east.

notice there are no women are in the streets, I wonder why that is, if the practice of veiling wasn't advocated in their culture and it was promoted by Salafists?