What constitutes a Pashtun?

[torkham]

just find out:

what is his tabar qom famili
where is his neeka, kornai, famili from.

usually enought to confirm pashtun or not.

it is bloodline related.

if one is going to say where is his grand fathers grandfather's grandfather from, then one may as well accept we are all from adam and hawa (or from the african erect bipod - for the darwinian amongst us).

[Dreamer]

If your parents are ... you are
If one is then you are half etc

[Laila]

I dont understand why people have a hard time grasping this. It is not that hard to figure it. We live in a society according to what your father is. If your father is Pashtun, then yes, you are Pashtun by blood. Since he is Pashtun, his father is Pashtun and so forth. Obviously lineage is not the only thing, Pashtuns live according to a certain lifestyle and language as well.

[randolph85]

thats fine and good for first gen halfsies like me who has a pashtun father. but what happens when a half pashtun from his father has a kid with a non pashtun, the kid would technically be 1/4 pashtun but still pashtun because of his dad. so that kid has a kid with a non pashtun, and since he is technically pashtun the kid will be pashtun even if he is only 1/8th and so on.

damn it there must be a limit!!!

[roadrunner]

I dont understand why people have a hard time grasping this. It is not that hard to figure it. We live in a society according to what your father is. If your father is Pashtun, then yes, you are Pashtun by blood. Since he is Pashtun, his father is Pashtun and so forth. Obviously lineage is not the only thing, Pashtuns live according to a certain lifestyle and language as well.

it's one definition, and a lot of people are happy with it.

but logically, does it make any sense? not really. if someone just needs their father to be pashtun, then eventually there is no such thing as Pashtun by blood. That's because after a couple of generations they could end up looking like Gandhi, or Frank Bruno, or General Mao.

They might still observe Pashtunwali. Is it enough.

I do agree that it applies to all ethnic groups (which are daft ideas to begin with, even more so in the westernly definition of ethnicities).

[khushal]

Most of you are confused and are looking at this from a western perspective because western society is not Patriachal.

First pashtuns are tribal and patriachal.
defintion of patriarchy:
Patriarchy is a social system in which the male gender role as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy.

There is no half this and half that in pashtun society. They only keep track of the Y chromosome and yes you could have a pashtun look like ghandi or General Moa because no matter what he looks like, he still have the Pashtun Y chromosome.

There are about 100 million south asians who claim Afgan ancestory, do they have the Y chromosome? maybe. They may have the genetics but they lack the mindset. In order to have the mindset, they must follow the pashtunwali code, so there are two factors.

[roadrunner]

Most of you are confused and are looking at this from a western perspective becasue western society is not Patriachal.

Surely you joke. Western society is not patriarchial? Western society is amongst the most patriarchal in the world.

You must be naive enough to believe all that Hollywood stuff. Do you believe it's possible for John Rambo to spear an Mi-17 with his bow also?

First pashtuns are tribal and patriachal.
defintiont of patriarchy:
Patriarchy is a social system in which the male gender role as the primary authority figure is central to social organization, and where fathers hold authority over women, children, and property. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination. Many patriarchal societies are also patrilineal, meaning that property and title are inherited by the male lineage. The female equivalent is matriarchy.

There is no half this and half that in pashtun society. They only keep track of the Y chromosome and yes you could have a pashtun look like ghandi or General Moa because no matter what he looks like, he still have the Pashtun Y chromosome.

What may I ask is the Pashtun Y-chromosome, genius?

You do realize it doesn't exist, don't you?

So Gandhi could be a Pashtun. Interesting

There are about 100 million south asians who claim Afgan ancestory, do they have the Y chromosome? maybe. They may have the genetics but they lack the mindset. In order to have the mindset, they must follow the pashtunwali code, so there are two factors.

What is this Pashtun Y-chromosome you speak of, genius?

Please give us all some of your knowledge, oh fountain of wisdom.

[khushal]

Surely you joke. Western society is not patriarchial? Western society is amongst the most patriarchal in the world.

You must be naive enough to believe all that Hollywood stuff. Do you believe it's possible for John Rambo to spear an Mi-17 with his bow also?

I realize you are still as stupid as before and have not learned anything in the time you left this forum. Western society was patriachal in the past where males held all rights to property and freedoms including the beleif that women be regarded as property. Women are no longer considered legal property of men and can hold legal rights to property themselves. This beleif system spread from the teachings of Aristotle who beleived that men should rule over women and be regarded as property. When Aristotle first came to ancient Egypt, he was shocked that women attended bazaars and attended official meetings, attended courts and had legal rights to property. When Alexander(a pupil of Aristotle) invaded ancient Egypt, he changed the social structure.

Not only can John Rambo destroy a Mi 17 with an arrow but he can capture one with his bare hands.
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So Gandhi could be a Pashtun. Interesting

Ghandi is no pashtun but a pashtun can look like ghandi or like the stupid guy in your avatar pic. Is that you?

What may I ask is the Pashtun Y-chromosome, genius?

You do realize it doesn't exist, don't you?

Please give us all some of your knowledge, oh fountain of wisdom.

I am no genius but thanks for the complement.
You can read about the Y chromosome here:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...l/423810a.html

and the pashtun Y chromosome here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22137890

PF memeber Yasmeena had this thread about it as well:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=577968

and to quote stupid people like you and Faye "if you need proof, do some research"

[khushal]

If your parents are ... you are
If one is then you are half etc

Go to Pashtunland and ask someone if they are half pashtun. They would look at you like a crazy person.

[roadrunner]

I realize you are still as stupid as before and have not learned anything in the time you left this forum. Western society was patriachal in the past where males held all rights to property and freedoms including the beleif that women be regarded as property. Women are no longer considered legal property of men and can hold legal rights to property themselves. This beleif system spread from the teachings of Aristotle who beleived that men should rule over women and be regarded as property. When Aristotle first came to ancient Egypt, he was shocked that women attended bazaars and attended official meetings, attended courts and had legal rights to property. When Alexander(a pupil of Aristotle) invaded ancient Egypt, he changed the social structure.

What you describe is patrilineage.

Western society is very patriarchal all over. Men are in most positions of power with the token woman or some small ethnic participation.

Patriarchal society do not have to be patrilineal societies. Men can have different views on inheritance to conform to particular societies.

I am no genius but thanks for the complement.
You can read about the Y chromosome here:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...l/423810a.html

and the pashtun Y chromosome here:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22137890

PF memeber Yasmeena had this thread about it as well:
http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthread.php?p=577968

and to quote stupid people like you and Faye "if you need proof, do some research"

lol. i think it's you that needs to do the research.

You've given me links and labelled them as "Pashtun Y chromosome".

But none of your links say the identity of the Pashtun Y chromosome. Perhaps your genius self could point out what is the Pashtun Y chromosome?

[khushal]

What you describe is patrilineage.

Western society is very patriarchal all over. Men are in most positions of power with the token woman or some small ethnic participation.

Patriarchal society do not have to be patrilineal societies. Men can have different views on inheritance to conform to particular societies.

I already defined it, your stupidity has blinded you from reading the defintion. reread the definition. Pashtun society is patrilineal, everything is inherited by men. Western society is moving away from patriachal, look at yourself, no one used to say I am half this and 1/4 that, they say it today though. You think the queen of england is 100% English, she is probably less than 1/100 english when you calculate it the way your mentality has been shaped.

lol. i think it's you that needs to do the research.

You've given me links and labelled them as "Pashtun Y chromosome".

But none of your links say the identity of the Pashtun Y chromosome. Perhaps your genius self could point out what is the Pashtun Y chromosome?

The pashtun Y chromosome is the Y chromosome of Pashtuns. Read the article about the uniqueness of the Y chromosome and what it tells us about the evolution of humanity.
http://theatavism.blogspot.com/2010/...s-amazing.html

[faye]

still on about me are you 'mr i know everything'? well when some supposed know all asks one to do research for them, because, they actually don't know all, about a subject that i have known about for 5 or so years, then it is rather irritating khushal;-)

[khushal]

still on about me are you 'mr i know everything'? well when some supposed know all asks one to do research for them, because, they actually don't know all, about a subject that i have known about for 5 or so years, then it is rather irritating khushal;-)

You and Roadrunner are the only ones I know that claim something like " the sky is green" and then when people question your claims, you reply "If you need proof, do some research." The words of people that are loony tunes.

[faye]

true? i always felt an affinity with roadie.
you're the only one i have seen that knows absolutely and unquestionably EVERYTHING, khushal dear. how marvelous you are. have trouble fitting through doorways lol? bit of scraping on the ears perhaps?
are you saying that the sky ISN"T green, darling? don't be silly!!

[roadrunner]

I already defined it, your stupidity has blinded you from reading the defintion. reread the definition. Pashtun society is patrilineal, everything is inherited by men.

You do realize that Patrilineal is not the same as Patriarchal, dont you Mahatma?

Western society is moving away from patriachal, look at yourself, no one used to say I am half this and 1/4 that, they say it today though. You think the queen of england is 100% English, she is probably less than 1/100 english when you calculate it the way your mentality has been shaped.

Western society is highly patriarchal. It always has been, and still is. Women do have extra rights in the highly patriarchal society, but it's still a patriarchal society. The concept of the traditional family still exists and though there are variations of it, in many places in the west, them man is still seen as head of the household even though it may not be politically correct to acknowledge such.

The pashtun Y chromosome is the Y chromosome of Pashtuns. Read the article about the uniqueness of the Y chromosome and what it tells us about the evolution of humanity.
http://theatavism.blogspot.com/2010/...s-amazing.html

Oh Great Mahatma, WHAT IS THE PASHTUN Y CHROMOSOME?

I'm not asking for links. Just as identity. Is it J1? What is the Pashtun Y chromosome that identifies a Pashtun with all the uniqueness of your great sandals, oh Great Mahatma?