pashto was the religion of pashtun before islam.

[gadoonwal]

I use Afghan as in the term for Pashtun, the dawoos is not from Afghanistan he's from Swabi on the Pakistan side.

go and see the swatay women in hearmandi in lahore where punjabis enjoying up on your women.Even the boys from your area are famouse for back job.Khanan in pashtunkhwa also enjoy up on your boys and i am sure you are one of those boys.
tahta nasholata tol forum di washarmolo.
dawoos kho ta ye chi punjabyano bezata kre aww byaa e hum gulami kaway.khazay nar ye darla bezata kra aw byaa ye hum gulami kaway.

[Manzareh]

stop BS,,,
i fully understand why are you barking against me.
i am not fake historian.Prove me wrong with ref if you can.
I have dozens of books and travilling around pashtun land on both side of afghanistan.
I am in touch with pashtun writers and historains.
I am not a low life dum like you.I am 102% SURE YOU ARE NOT PASHTUN AT ALL.
I respect and love my mother land afghanistan.Pakistan was created on our land and inshallah we will break the teeth of pro punjabi sold out bootlickers like you.
What ,,isi,, and pak army did to your area?
They even rape your women so where is your swatay gerat if you have.
I am pashtun and know my background and tribal history.I always treated pashtuns with respect and honour no matter who they are .
You are right,i hate begerata like you who still fly high napak flag on their house and dancing in the street of mingawara for napak army.
arman de chi gerat harsaiday chi maa taaso ta ahestay way.


stop bs and stay away from pashtun matters.

102%?? Just 2% over 100%? hahaha what a fool. Sta misaal dasi deh laka da kharr, khar da manzareh na ghairat sanga wakhli? It's impossible, Mung pukhtana pa Internet ghairat pise na garzoo, da computer pa shaa kismoona dawoosan zaan nurr kawelishi sta shaan, khpal zaan di washarmo begherata.

You have no facts, just empty personal opinions from which you make baseless assumptions like a 5 year old child does. Because your brain is that of a child the swat members here are ignoring you even the admins which are from swat pay no attention or even reply to your BS attacks, open a thread up about swat with some facts instead of spewing imaginary stories that your father tells you at bedtime or 'stories from your travels' lol what an idiot.

you have hatred for the people of Swat to an extents that you will send random PM's swearing at random peoples family's? what happened? did your wife or mother run away with some swateh dude or something? and now your incredibly resentful and angry of people from that province? LOL someone that travels to places and sits with intellectuals and historians have sound knowledge and manners, clearly from the way you speak you have no education or pakhtun upbringing to be conversing with any of these types, you haven't travelled anywhere you liar, travel to swabi and tell me if urdu is not the language on your sign boards and posters, swabi is more pakified than a lollywood movie. You havnt been anyware the only places you've traveled is from some dump in swabi to the back of a fruit container being shipped to the west.

[Manzareh]

fight fight fight!

Its a one sided fight. specially when someone has no ammunition against you apart from mentioning a state with millions of people in it is always going to be weak and boring, me on the other will attack you personally and direct it at your petty existence, that's the difference. Sun Tzu - art of war

[Tjanaparh]

I am sorry for this theme is going to become a lake of insults. Maybe we can stop it and You clear your problems on PM?

[khushal]

I saw this term (as translation of the word Pashtunwali) in the book written in 1962 by James W. Spain The way of Pathans. Then this translation was repeated in many publications about Pashtuns. Maybe their authors were convinced that Spain had written the truth. He wrote "that the Pushtu word pukhtunwali translates well into English as 'the way of Pathans' is universally agreed."*
Spain was wrong. Not only in my opinion, his translation is at least debatable. Although it still exist in popular opinion.
The distance to what is written in books is always welcome.

*J. Spain, Pathans of the Latter Day, OUP 1995, p. 39.

Yasmina,
I talked to some linguists and they all agree with you. While they could not give me a satisfactory answer of why we don't use the term, they said they are certain it is a pashto suffix as you say, so you are right.

[Kushan Prince]

Yasmina,
I talked to some linguists and they all agree with you. While they could not give me a satisfactory answer of why we don't use the term, they said they are certain it is a pashto suffix as you say, so you are right.

I was right as well, where is my apology? lol.

[Michin Khel]

Well Pashto is not a holy language like Arabic, sorry to disappoint you. It's not used in any holy texts or book so it has no right to be called holy. Pashtuns praise their language so much yet in some parts of Afghanistan they speak Farsi and Urdu in pakistan. Self pride is a good thing, but us pashtuns need to tone down on it a bit.

He is not calling it holy in that sense, the emphasize is on its importance more than just a langauge. Pashto is langauge as well as code, our heritage, our history.... I pity those who abonden pakhto for urdu and farsi, i have seen upper class families who were denying their childs their mother tongue and were shoving english and urdu down into their throats, only be-pakhto parents would do such thing.... And treasuring and loving pashto shouldnt be toned down, its good thing. pride is same like self-confidence, what exactly is a person without self-confidence?.......

[Manzareh]

He is not calling it holy in that sense, the emphasize is on its importance more than just a langauge. Pashto is langauge as well as code, our heritage, our history.... I pity those who abonden pakhto for urdu and farsi, i have seen upper class families who were denying their childs their mother tongue and were shoving english and urdu down into their throats, only be-pakhto parents would do such thing.... And treasuring and loving pashto shouldnt be toned down, its good thing. pride is same like self-confidence, what exactly is a person without self-confidence?.......

That's because learning Urdu and Farsi can get a person a job, Pakhto on the other hand holds no educational value, in our lands Jobs are sometimes the difference between life and death.

[DaZahroJaam.]

That's because learning Urdu and Farsi can get a person a job, Pakhto on the other hand holds no educational value, in our lands Jobs are sometimes the difference between life and death.

maybe if you weren't so prejudice against other people and their languages, pashto's case wouldn't be so pathetic everywhere. if you are in a place where people don't understand your language, what good does only speaking that language to the greatest extent does for you??
learning another language is building an asset. it does get you jobs and one should not be ashamed of getting jobs by using their assets. descriminating against their own language or neglecting it's importance is what one ought to be ashamed of. you don't descriminate against your own language when you accept a job that gives you the oppurtunity to communicate with others through their language. you do descriminate against your language and your people by representing them as unskilled, untalented, arrogant morons who limit themselves due to their own complexes by refusing to learn other languages because they consider themselves too good for others..

[Michin Khel]

@gadoonwal A brotherly advice...please get rid of regional and tribal bias, its of no use. If you are advocating pashtun unity then attacking some one tribe, their women and their pashto should be the last thing you are supposed to do.....highlighting a social issue and having debate over it with good intention is one thing but giving peghor on it leads to poisonous unhealthy verbal fights....in real life it leads to lot worse than that...our fangs should be bared for enemies of pakhtuns.

[Michin Khel]

That's because learning Urdu and Farsi can get a person a job, Pakhto on the other hand holds no educational value, in our lands Jobs are sometimes the difference between life and death.

Urdu itself has no educational value in Pakistan, you dont get jobs on your urdu skills....its english which is langauge of prestige and social status in pakistan, fruit of colonial influences. You dont discard your mother langauge and denying it to your kids when you learn langauges like english and urdu in schools....i dont understand the complexes of those few burger families who are pashto speakers but do the cruelty of denying their childern the mother tongue, a beautiful langauge like pashto.....

[Toramana]

Urdu itself has no educational value in Pakistan, you dont get jobs on your urdu skills....its english which is langauge of prestige and social status in pakistan, fruit of colonial influences. You dont discard your mother langauge and denying it to your kids when you learn langauges like english and urdu in schools....i dont understand the complexes of those few burger families who are pashto speakers but do the cruelty of denying their childern the mother tongue, a beautiful langauge like pashto.....

Loffer Khana, you are spot right on that. I agree with that.

[gadoonwal]

@gadoonwal A brotherly advice...please get rid of regional and tribal bias, its of no use. If you are advocating pashtun unity then attacking some one tribe, their women and their pashto should be the last thing you are supposed to do.....highlighting a social issue and having debate over it with good intention is one thing but giving peghor on it leads to poisonous unhealthy verbal fights....in real life it leads to lot worse than that...our fangs should be bared for enemies of pakhtuns.

i agree with you luffy khana.Could you pls check from the start who started this?
He jump from somewhere and start abusing me.All members are there to see who started this.
topic to be continued and ignore this khar.

[Manzareh]

i agree with you luffy khana.Could you pls check from the start who started this?
He jump from somewhere and start abusing me.All members are there to see who started this.
topic to be continued and ignore this khar.

Internet café wala if you've got a problem with swat or people from that district then open a thread an air your concern, lay your opinions on the table and justify them, if your not able to do this then shut your filth ridden mouth. Simple

[Manzareh]

maybe if you weren't so prejudice against other people and their languages, pashto's case wouldn't be so pathetic everywhere. if you are in a place where people don't understand your language, what good does only speaking that language to the greatest extent does for you??
learning another language is building an asset. it does get you jobs and one should not be ashamed of getting jobs by using their assets. descriminating against their own language or neglecting it's importance is what one ought to be ashamed of. you don't descriminate against your own language when you accept a job that gives you the oppurtunity to communicate with others through their language. you do descriminate against your language and your people by representing them as unskilled, untalented, arrogant morons who limit themselves due to their own complexes by refusing to learn other languages because they consider themselves too good for others..

What I mentioned doesn't represent my opinion on what language should hold prestigeness over the other. This isn't about what one should be like or not anyway its just a fact of the situation, Urdu is the national language and all ethnicities of the country use it to communicate and do business amongst one another.