Pashtun Macedonian link

[کیش]

I'm not trying to annoy me, badmash.

The Sekandar, Alexander, Kandahar, is somewhat dodgy. For example, my Qom is Khadar Khel. Al-Khaddar is an Arab rooted name, as well as one of the 99 names of Allah. Does this make our tribe Arab? Most likely not.

There is a Kabul, near Jerusalem. It was build by Prophet Sulayman, did he create Kabul, Afghanistan as well?

[roadrunner]

it's written in texts that there was an alexandria in arachosia.

[کیش]

it's written in texts that there was an alexandria in arachosia.

If true, then that is am embarrassment to the modern Kandari's. It's like if the Americans renamed a province as Bushistan, and the people proudly call themselves Bushistani's.

Alex was what George Bush is/was, to the people. I guess the article and noun That comes after Alex's name has cajoled them.

This is the same man, who most likely brought Bacha Bazi to these areas. Since it's no secret that Greeks loved boys.

[roadrunner]

Most certainly has meaning. Initial Migration from Kurgan into Baltics and Central Asian carrying culture and linguistics. Light complexion green eyes are not uncommen.

..It seemed to him that certain Caucasian countries presented to the eye what he believed to be the extreme and perfect form of the Caucasian race, the handsome high-featured people best known in this country as the Jewish type. All who were acquainted with the north of India would testify to the great predominance of a very handsome type of this kind among the Afghans and peoples of the hills to the north-west of India; it was the uniform remark that these people were very Jewish-looking. These people were Aryans. It was the same type which prevailed among the Aryan Persians, and again among the Jews, Syrians, and Northern Arabians, commonly called Semites. But the Central and Southern Arabians, in fact the mass of the Arab people, were by no means of this type.
http://aleph0.clarku.edu/huxley/SM3/GeoDis.html

..These differentiations occurred following long-standing claims about the alleged differences between the Nordic and the Mediterranean people. Such debates arose from responses to ancient writers who had commented on differences between northern and southern Europeans. For the Greeks and Romans, Germanic and Celtic peoples were often stereotyped as wild red haired barbarians.Pseudo-Aristotle argued that the Greeks were an ideal race because they possessed a medium skin-tone, in contrast to pale northerners and dark southerners. By the nineteenth century long-standing cultural and religious differences between Protestant northern Europe and the Catholic south were being reinterpreted in racial terms


Our area, from Morocco to Afghanistan, is the homeland and cradle of the Mediterranean race. Mediterraneans are found also in Spain, Portugal, most of Italy, Greece and the Mediterranean islands, and in all these places, as in Southwest Asia, they form the major genetic element in the local populations. In a dark-skinned and finer-boned form they are also found as the major population element in Pakistan and northern India ... The Mediterranean race, then, is indigenous to, and the principal element in, the Southwest Asia, and the greatest concentration of a highly evolved Mediterranean type falls among two of the most ancient Semitic-speaking peoples, notably the Arabs and the Jews (Although it may please neither party, this is the truth.). The Mediterraneans occupy the center of the stage; their areas of greatest concentration are precisely those where civilization is the oldest. This is to be expected, since it was they who produced it and it, in a sense, that produced them.", Carleton Coon, the Story of the Middle East, 1958, pp. 154-157

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As a rule his skin is some shade of white, from pink or peaches-and-cream to a light brown. Skin color should always be taken on some unexposed part of the body. Among Middle Easterners this is simple, because they cover as much of the body as is consistent with their work. The exposed skin color may be a dark brown, while the skin of the underarm is ten shades lighter. (The sun shines brightly in the Middle East.) While fair-skinned people are to be seen, they live chiefly in shaded bazaars and government offices, whence they rarely emerge into the dazzling light of day.

The Mediterranean’s hair is usually black or dark brown, while his whiskers may reveal a few strands of red or even blond. Blond hair may be seen, but it is the exception. Its presence does not require some invasion of Goths or Scyths or the miscegenation of Crusaders. One of the characteristics of the Mediterranean race is a minority tendency toward blondism. This is seen much more frequently in the eyes, since blond hair, which appears in infants, usually darkens as the hair coarsens with age.
Among Mediterraneans every shade of eye color appears. Coal black is exceptional, a dark or medium brown most common. Nearly a fourth of any sample, however, will have blue, gray or green eyes, usually mixed with brown in the iris pattern. Eyes do not darken with age; hence the greater prevalence of light eyes rather than blond hair among the adult. Like pink skin, blue eyes and blond hair appear most often among people whose work or social status keeps them inoors. Descendants of the Prophet, courtiers, and wealthy merchants are more often blond than farmers or camel drivers. In my opinion this does not mean that blonds are in any way superior to brunets, in the Middle East or elsewhere. It rather indicates that in a hot, brightly illuminated environment blonds are at a disadvantage when out of doors. Those who can manage it gravitate toward work in shaded quarters; furthermore the natural selection that may operate against them in the field and desert would fail to limit their increase in the shade. Middle Eastern urban civilization may thus have produced artificially an environment comparable to the Baltic fog, from which the Nordic emerged.

..The Mediterraneans occupy the center of the stage; their areas of greatest concentration are precisely those where civilization is the oldest. This is to be expected, since it was they who produced it and it, in a sense, that produced them.

http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/coonmed/

That is a summation from several Professor.

The term Mediterranean was used most commonly before and during the Nazi area just to refer to anyone of dark complexion.

They even subdivided the Mediterranean 'race' in order to account for people that were dark skinned but had most of the traits associated with the Nordic 'race'. It's not a relevant racial term.

If you take a Mediterranean Libyan and compare him with an Afghan, the two don't share the same racial features on average.

[roadrunner]

If true, then that is am embarrassment to the modern Kandari's. It's like if the Americans renamed a province as Bushistan, and the people proudly call themselves Bushistani's.

Alex was what George Bush is/was, to the people. I guess the article and noun That comes after Alex's name has cajoled them.

This is the same man, who most likely brought Bacha Bazi to these areas. Since it's no secret that Greeks loved boys.

Not necessarily. He might have founded it and populated it with his own people.

[Wahe Guru]

I don't know what you think you, or other Indians look like, but they do not look like these people generally. The skin color isnt so relevant but that pic could be a tan or other. If you think Indians are lighter skinned than Afghans you've been watching too much bolly drama.

Whatever Indians look like "generally" the fact is there are countless people in India who like these guys seen in this photo. Even outside north-west India, there are many different kinds of facial appearances though colours get darker generally.

If we include Punjab as a whole (India & Pakistan), and surrounding areas, then people with this appearance is fairly common. However as I know from Punjab, looks are very varied such that in every village you will find various looks and colours. Some "castes" for example will have a much higher percentage of darker skinned people than other castes but it is not fixed.

Generally Indians could not be lighter skinned than Afghans as most of India is much further south than Afghanistan. For the same reason most Afghans are darker say than Germans.

I live in UK and one day I saw people washing cars in the supermarket carpark. One of the guys I thought could be from Afghanistan (or from various other places). I asked him where he was from and he would not tell me. Then I said to him "is it secret?" And he said to me "you tell me first where are you from?" I said I am from India Punjab. Then he said "I am from Iran". Maybe he was but I suspect he was Afghan. So I said "Long live Khomeini. You must know his grandfather was from India".

[JattApache]

Whatever Indians look like "generally" the fact is there are countless people in India who like these guys seen in this photo. Even outside north-west India, there are many different kinds of facial appearances though colours get darker generally.

If we include Punjab as a whole (India & Pakistan), and surrounding areas, then people with this appearance is fairly common. However as I know from Punjab, looks are very varied such that in every village you will find various looks and colours. Some "castes" for example will have a much higher percentage of darker skinned people than other castes but it is not fixed.

Generally Indians could not be lighter skinned than Afghans as most of India is much further south than Afghanistan. For the same reason most Afghans are darker say than Germans.

I live in UK and one day I saw people washing cars in the supermarket carpark. One of the guys I thought could be from
Afghanistan (or from various other places). I asked him where he was from and he would not tell me. Then I said to him "is it secret?" And he said to me "you tell me first where are you from?" I said I am from India Punjab. Then he said "I am from Iran". Maybe he was but I suspect he was Afghan. So I said "Long live Khomeini. You must know his grandfather was from India".

"well basically they are indicating what genes pashtuns of peshawar who were tested have from different regions, this is the pashtun results:

Pashtuns:

Central/south asian = 46%
Arabian = 0.3%
East Asian = 0.8%
South indian = 24%
Northern European = 13%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 10.5%
Siberian= 2.9%
Southern European = 0.4%


^ so basically majority of the pashtun genes are central/south asian at 46%, which is today's afghanistan and pakistan, this makes sense and indicates that majority of pashtun genes are native, however as you can see there is large south indian, middle eastern and even northern european component in them, so this indicates that some of these people's ancestors mixed with different groups too at some time. Overall, all populations of the world are pretty mixed.

for example look at these other samples from the spreadsheet

Iranians:

Central/south asian = 31.5%
Arabian = 8.2%
East Asian = 0.6%
South indian = 3.4%
Northern European = 5.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 40.9%
Southern European = 4.1%

Sindhis

Central/south asian = 53.2%
west african: 2.4%
Arabian = 0.8%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 27.5%
Northern European = 6.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 4.1%
Southern European = 1.5%

Balochis:

Central/south asian = 70%
Arabian = 3.1%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 9.5%
Northern European = 1.8%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 6.3%
Southern European = 4.1%

Jats and Rajputs punjabis are very similar to sindhis/ pashtuns

^ according to the population studied in these charts, sindhis and Burushos seem to be the closest the Peshwari pashtuns, but again it might a bit different depending on different tribes, thats why i agree with a idea to study the head/leaders of each tribe in FATA to indicate (overall) pashtun results

[roadrunner]

Whatever Indians look like "generally" the fact is there are countless people in India who like these guys seen in this photo. Even outside north-west India, there are many different kinds of facial appearances though colours get darker generally.

Where? In east india? in south india? a small percentage of the population of northwest india might resemble something like those in the photos but they are extremes of the indian population.

If we include Punjab as a whole (India & Pakistan), and surrounding areas, then people with this appearance is fairly common. However as I know from Punjab, looks are very varied such that in every village you will find various looks and colours. Some "castes" for example will have a much higher percentage of darker skinned people than other castes but it is not fixed.

lol. you can't say Punjab = India. Punjab is about 0.000001%age of India. I would say quite a few of the people in that photo arent found in Punjab.

Generally Indians could not be lighter skinned than Afghans as most of India is much further south than Afghanistan. For the same reason most Afghans are darker say than Germans.

I live in UK and one day I saw people washing cars in the supermarket carpark. One of the guys I thought could be from Afghanistan (or from various other places). I asked him where he was from and he would not tell me. Then I said to him "is it secret?" And he said to me "you tell me first where are you from?" I said I am from India Punjab. Then he said "I am from Iran". Maybe he was but I suspect he was Afghan. So I said "Long live Khomeini. You must know his grandfather was from India".

I met a westerner once. They said to me, "my you look like Arnold Schwarzennger". Does that mean I look German?

[roadrunner]

"well basically they are indicating what genes pashtuns of peshawar who were tested have from different regions, this is the pashtun results:

Pashtuns:

Central/south asian = 46%
Arabian = 0.3%
East Asian = 0.8%
South indian = 24%
Northern European = 13%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 10.5%
Siberian= 2.9%
Southern European = 0.4%


^ so basically majority of the pashtun genes are central/south asian at 46%, which is today's afghanistan and pakistan, this makes sense and indicates that majority of pashtun genes are native, however as you can see there is large south indian, middle eastern and even northern european component in them, so this indicates that some of these people's ancestors mixed with different groups too at some time. Overall, all populations of the world are pretty mixed.

for example look at these other samples from the spreadsheet

Iranians:

Central/south asian = 31.5%
Arabian = 8.2%
East Asian = 0.6%
South indian = 3.4%
Northern European = 5.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 40.9%
Southern European = 4.1%

Sindhis

Central/south asian = 53.2%
west african: 2.4%
Arabian = 0.8%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 27.5%
Northern European = 6.2%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 4.1%
Southern European = 1.5%

Balochis:

Central/south asian = 70%
Arabian = 3.1%
East Asian = 0.4%
South indian = 9.5%
Northern European = 1.8%
West Asian/Middle eastern= 6.3%
Southern European = 4.1%

Jats and Rajputs punjabis are very similar to sindhis/ pashtuns

^ according to the population studied in these charts, sindhis and Burushos seem to be the closest the Peshwari pashtuns, but again it might a bit different depending on different tribes, thats why i agree with a idea to study the head/leaders of each tribe in FATA to indicate (overall) pashtun results

that doesnt mean anything, though pashtuns are obviously mixed.

[Admin Khan]

He did found some cities, Kandahar probably, Uch etc. The British founded some cities in India but it doesn't make a genetic link. The British were there, like Alexander was in Afghanistan.

I do find it interesting that Kandahar has survived the test of time as a name. Noone decided to change it for 2000 years.

Germans share linguistics with Indians as well, but they'll not be saying they share any genetics with them

I agree the out of India theory is rubbish. Out of Asia is not impossible though I doubt it.

Actually, the Persians attempted to change the name of Kandahar to Naderabad, but they failed miserably and it resulted in major blow-back.

Hint:Burning of Isfahan.

[Apollyon]

Arachosia (Old-Persian: Harauvatiš, 'well watered'):
The Macedonian king Alexander the Great visited Arachosia in March 329 BCE. Afterwards, Kapisakaniš was called Alexandria in Arachosia.

Alexander's biographer Plutarch of Chaeronea states that Alexander the Great founded no less than seventy towns, which were important centers of the Greek cultures in the East. By these foundations, the sage of Chaeronea implies, the Macedonian conqueror changed the nature of his oriental subjects from barbarians into civilized people

Alexandria in Arachosia: the Arachosian capital Kapisa was repopulated with natives and Macedonian veterans in the winter of 330/329. It was a permanent garrison. Modern Kandahâr in Afghanistan, which still bear's Alexander's name (derived from Iskandariya, the Arabic and Persian rendering of "Alexander").


http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_z2.html

Gandahara not to be confused with kandahar.

Alexandria in Arachosia was a city in ancient times that is now called Kandahar in Afghanistan. It was one of the seventy-plus cities founded or renamed by Alexander the Great. Arachosia is the Greek name of an ancient province of the Achaemenid, Seleucid and Parthian empires. The province of Arachosia corresponds to today's southeastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan, the ethnic Pashtun territory.
Isidorus of Charax in his 1st century CE "Parthian stations" itinerary described an "Alexandropolis, the metropolis of Arachosia", which he said was still Greek even at such a late time:

"Beyond is Arachosia. And the Parthians call this White India; there are the city of Biyt and the city of Pharsana and the city of Chorochoad and the city of Demetrias; then Alexandropolis, the metropolis of Arachosia; it is Greek, and by it flows the river Arachotus.

Greek inscriptions in Kandahar


Iran being closer the Arabians is more than likely mixed in this region. Afghanistan and the NWFP is isolated by mountains. Alexander walked through the person empire in 6 months, it took him 3 years and never subdued the Pashtons.

Scholars have agreed in the west that the Pashtun's are recognised as being the least mixed with Indian or Oriental or Arab in the region.

I am deeply sorry you Pashtuns have such terrible neighboors, my deepest appologies.

[JattApache]

What do you mean when you say " terrible neighbours " ?

Btw what's ur ethnicity ?

[Khostai]

Arachosia (Old-Persian: Harauvatiš, 'well watered'):
The Macedonian king Alexander the Great visited Arachosia in March 329 BCE. Afterwards, Kapisakaniš was called Alexandria in Arachosia.

Alexander's biographer Plutarch of Chaeronea states that Alexander the Great founded no less than seventy towns, which were important centers of the Greek cultures in the East. By these foundations, the sage of Chaeronea implies, the Macedonian conqueror changed the nature of his oriental subjects from barbarians into civilized people

Alexandria in Arachosia: the Arachosian capital Kapisa was repopulated with natives and Macedonian veterans in the winter of 330/329. It was a permanent garrison. Modern Kandahâr in Afghanistan, which still bear's Alexander's name (derived from Iskandariya, the Arabic and Persian rendering of "Alexander").


http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexander/alexander_z2.html

Gandahara not to be confused with kandahar.

Alexandria in Arachosia was a city in ancient times that is now called Kandahar in Afghanistan. It was one of the seventy-plus cities founded or renamed by Alexander the Great. Arachosia is the Greek name of an ancient province of the Achaemenid, Seleucid and Parthian empires. The province of Arachosia corresponds to today's southeastern Afghanistan and western Pakistan, the ethnic Pashtun territory.
Isidorus of Charax in his 1st century CE "Parthian stations" itinerary described an "Alexandropolis, the metropolis of Arachosia", which he said was still Greek even at such a late time:

"Beyond is Arachosia. And the Parthians call this White India; there are the city of Biyt and the city of Pharsana and the city of Chorochoad and the city of Demetrias; then Alexandropolis, the metropolis of Arachosia; it is Greek, and by it flows the river Arachotus.

Greek inscriptions in Kandahar


Iran being closer the Arabians is more than likely mixed in this region. Afghanistan and the NWFP is isolated by mountains. Alexander walked through the person empire in 6 months, it took him 3 years and never subdued the Pashtons.

Scholars have agreed in the west that the Pashtun's are recognised as being the least mixed with Indian or Oriental or Arab in the region.

I am deeply sorry you Pashtuns have such terrible neighboors, my deepest appologies.

don't be sorry, It's becuase we are weak and poor now becuase of the 30 years of war the neighbours are like that, after time when Afghanistan can stand up for them selfs they will act normal.
And are you greek?

[کیش]

Not necessarily. He might have founded it and populated it with his own people.

So alot of Kandari's can be descendants of Alex boy's army? That's pretty sad for the natives who fought them.

[Ghundal]

Kandahar has nothing to do with Alexander. The guy ran out of Afghanistan after 3 years after getting his asss harrassed and crushed.

People can go and research about the word Kandahar , and where it is from.

LOL at this debate which has been refuted time and time again.