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  • #61
    Originally posted by Khostai View Post
    don't be sorry, It's becuase we are weak and poor now becuase of the 30 years of war the neighbours are like that, after time when Afghanistan can stand up for them selfs they will act normal.
    And are you greek?
    Strength is not measured by military might or muscle. Impressive how Pashtuns or a mediterranian race survived in central Asia when you consider the invasion of Turk, Mongol, bordering China, India, Ponjabi of Pakistan etc.

    Macedonian's including Alexander and his father philip never considered themselves as Greek ;p. I am part Macedonian reside in Usa. Discovery in usa has a program for $200 you can submit your dna for genetic mapping.

    Originally Posted by Bharati
    "well basically they are indicating what genes pashtuns of peshawar who were tested have from different regions, this is the pashtun results:

    Pashtuns:

    Central/south asian = 46%
    Arabian = 0.3%
    East Asian = 0.8%
    South indian = 24%
    Northern European = 13%
    West Asian/Middle eastern= 10.5%
    Siberian= 2.9%
    Southern European = 0.4%

    A lot of Ponjabis speak Pashto in peshwar this has to be taken into consideration. Simplification..you cannot apply this across the board, 24% South Asian. I have meet a pure blond girl with green eyes could pass for German she was from Logar province. While most may not present these features majority of Pashtuns are fair skin, bone structure robust not your typical South Indian. The case of higher frequency South Indian is most possible the further south you deviate from NWFP-Afghanistan.

    The following are examples of more European than Asiatic.

    Zainab




    Very similar to Macedonian classic cloths.





    Kohistan and Chitral Pashton kids
    2300 years after Alexander the Great, Greek influence is still obvious in carved ornaments of old wooden mosques. Kalam.




    A legal case here in Usa where a Ponjabi tried to pass as Aryan but was rejected by the court.

    Associate Justice George Sutherland found that, while Thind, an Asian Indian, may claim to have "purity of Aryan blood" due to being "born in Village Taragarh Talawa,near Jandiala Guru, Amritsar, Punjab" and having "high caste" status; he was not Caucasian in the "common understanding", so he could not be included in the "statutory category as white persons".[1] George Sutherland wrote in his summary: [1]
    “The eligibility of this applicant for citizenship is based on the sole fact that he is of high caste Hindu stock, born in Punjab [Amrit Sar], one of the extreme northwestern districts of India, and classified by certain scientific authorities as of the Caucasian or Aryan race...In the Punjab and Rajputana [Rajasthan], while the invaders seem to have met with more success in the effort to preserve their racial purity, intermarriages did occur producing an intermingling of the two and destroying to a greater or less degree the purity of the “Aryan” blood. The rules of caste, while calculated to prevent this intermixture, seem not to have been entirely successful... the given group [Asian Indian] cannot be properly assigned to any of the enumerated grand racial divisions. The type may have been so changed by intermixture of blood as to justify an intermediate classification. Something very like this has actually taken place in India. Thus, in Hindustan [India] and Berar [town in India] there was such an intermixture of the “Aryan” invader with the dark-skinned Dravidian.[1]

    ”
    The Court concluded that "The term 'Aryan' has to do with linguistic, and not at all with physical, characteristics, and it would seem reasonably clear that mere resemblance in language, indicating a common linguistic root buried in remotely ancient soil, is altogether inadequate to prove common racial origin."

    Rejected three times.
    http://supreme.justia.com/cases/fede.../204/case.html



    Graeco-Aryan (or Graeco-Armeno-Aryan) refers to a hypothesis that the Greek language, the Armenian language, and the Indo-Iranian languages share a common history within the wider Indo-European family. Graeco-Aryan unity would have become divided into Proto-Greek (spoken in the Balkans) and Proto-Indo-Iranian (spoken in the Caspian steppe) by the mid 3rd millennium BC. The Phrygian language would also be included.[citation needed] Geographically the ProtoArmenian must be located in Armenian Highland which means between the Proto-Greek and Proto-Indo-Iranian. The Phrygian language would also be located between the Armenian and Proto-Greek, which means the geographic region Asia Minor to the west of Armenia.
    Graeco-Aryan has comparatively wide support among Indo-Europeanists.[1] Early and strong evidence was given by Euler's 1979 examination on shared features in Greek and Sanskrit nominal flection.[2]
    Used in tandem with the Graeco-Armenian hypothesis, the Armenian language would also be included under the label Aryano-Greco-Armenic, splitting into proto-Greek/Phrygian and "Armeno-Aryan" (ancestor of Armenian and Indo-Iranian).[3][4]

    In the context of the Kurgan hypothesis, Greco-Aryan is also known as "Late PIE" or "Late Indo-European" (LIE), suggesting that Greco-Aryan forms a dialect group which corresponds to the latest stage of linguistic unity in the Indo-European homeland in the early part of the 3rd millennium BC. By 2500 BC, Proto-Greek and Proto-Indo-Iranian had separated, moving westward and eastward from the Pontic Steppe, respectively.[5]
    If Graeco-Aryan is a valid group, Grassmann's Law may have a common origin in Greek and Sanskrit.
    Graeco-Aryan is invoked in particular in studies of comparative mythology, e.g. by West (1999)[6] and Watkins (2001).[
    1. ^ A. Bammesberger in The Cambridge History of the English Language, 1992, ISBN 9780521264747, p. 32: the model "still remains the background of much creative work in Indo-European reconstruction" even though it is "by no means uniformly accepted by all scholars".
    2. ^ Indoiranisch-griechische Gemeinsamkeiten der Nominalbildung und deren indogermanische Grundlagen (= Aryan-Greek Communities in Nominal Morphology and their Indoeuropean Origins; in German) (282 p.), Innsbruck, 1979
    3. ^ Handbook of Formal Languages (1997) p. 6.
    4. ^ Indo-European tree with Armeno-Aryan, exclusion of Greek [1]
    Originally posted by کیش View Post
    So alot of Kandari's can be descendants of Alex boy's army? That's pretty sad for the natives who fought them.

    Terrible summation,

    Alexander married Roxanne, his generals also married into the people to bridge the cultures, but they did take concubines from Persia. They spent less years in Persia or India.

    One could argue that that Nato and Usa are helping India and Afghanistan partly due to its Aryan roots by culture, language or going back to Alexanders way.
    Last edited by Apollyon; 02-26-2012, 08:56 PM.
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    • #62
      A lot of Ponjabis speak Pashto in peshwar this has to be taken into consideration. Simplification..you cannot apply this across the board, 24% South Asian. I have a pure blond girl with green eyes could pass for German she was from Logar province. While most may not present these features majority of Pashtuns are fair skin, bone structure robust not your typical South Indian. The case of higher frequency South Indian is most possible the further south you deviate from NWFP-Afghanistan.

      A legal case here in Usa where a Ponjabi tried to pass as Aryan but was rejected by the court.
      Oh my god
      You are a big racist, liar, clown, hypocrite, loser

      I hate people like you
      .

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bharati View Post
        Oh my god
        You are a big racist, liar, clown, hypocrite, loser

        I hate people like you
        The excalibur sword is drawn.. racist and bigot for pointing out a court case?

        Injecting 24% unceremoniously for all Pashtun people across the board... nice try buddy!

        Prime example of bad neighbor.
        Last edited by Apollyon; 02-26-2012, 08:57 PM.
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        • #64
          Look buddy,

          Quit living in a dream world

          We harrassed and destroyed Alexander until he ran out Afghanistan to India and died

          Kandahar, existed before Alexander tried to rule Afghanistan and hit whipped out of their.

          If any Afghans allied with him, it was the Soghdians who were Persians.

          Roxana was a Sogdhian, not a Pashtun . When people can't defeat us, they make up BS history to try to.

          We Pashtuns follow and live Pashto

          Quit dreaming about us

          All this garbage has been disproven by genetic testing FYi

          Our Pashto (pashtunwali) has at times been the most stringent thing which holds us together

          We are a patrilineal society, the largest in the world

          Btw, the Kalash have no ties to you either . It has also been disproven

          Tajiks do to some degree, but even that is small.
          Last edited by Ghundal; 02-27-2012, 02:44 AM.

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          • #65
            Secondly

            You nor any other European are Aryans

            aryan is a Sanskrit word from prehistoric India

            It has nothing to do with you

            Don't kid yourself

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            • #66
              @ Apollyon :
              The majority of people in these pics are kalash/ hunza, not pashtuns, because pashtuns were mixed with their neighbours, LIAR

              And the " peshawari pashtuns" are ethnic pashtuns, how can you say that they are punjabis ? Hypocrite

              Oh and keep dreaming, nice try buddy
              90% of what you said was false
              .

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Ghundal View Post
                Secondly

                You nor any other European are Aryans

                aryan is a Sanskrit word from prehistoric India

                It has nothing to do with you

                Don't kid yourself

                Thank you VERY MUCH.

                very well said....


                aryan is a Sanskrit word from prehistoric INDIA

                But these racists always use it to show their superiority ( like nazis.... And appolyon member )
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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Ghundal View Post
                  Look buddy,

                  Quit living in a dream world

                  We harrassed and destroyed Alexander until he ran out Afghanistan to India and died

                  Kandahar, existed before Alexander tried to rule Afghanistan and hit whipped out of their.

                  If any Afghans allied with him, it was the Soghdians who were Persians.

                  Roxana was a Sogdhian, not a Pashtun . When people can't defeat us, they make up BS history to try to.

                  We Pashtuns follow and live Pashto

                  Quit dreaming about us

                  All this garbage has been disproven by genetic testing FYi

                  Our Pashto (pashtunwali) has at times been the most stringent thing which holds us together

                  We are a patrilineal society, the largest in the world

                  Btw, the Kalash have no ties to you either . It has also been disproven

                  Tajiks do to some degree, but even that is small.
                  Your persian history is remarkable and you know about the Dardic tribes in Nooristan.. no accusation just odd coincedence are you persian or pakistani?

                  I hope you don't consider yourself pakistani because this is a new nation foreign to Pashtowali code.

                  The Nooristani people have mixed with Pashtuns. They are the original residents in the region, their culture buildings very Macedonian.

                  Alexander built the wall in Tajikistan to keep the barbaric races from harraseing people in Afghansitan.

                  Iskanderkul Tajikstan where the wall of Alexander resides.

                  http://ofmemoriesofearth.wordpress.com/page/4/

                  Alexander helped everywhere he went. In religious context, Alexander is mentioned in the Bible he-goat for his helmet he wore (Daniel 8:1-8, 11:2-4, 8:15-22 The two-horned ram that you saw represents the kings of Media and Persia), and Koran 18:83 The Cave ,Dhul-Qarnayn "He of the Two Horns" he is described as a great and righteous ruler who built the wall that keeps Gog and Magog from attacking the people whom he met on his journey to the east (i.e., the rising of the sun). The word qarn means a horn, as also a generation or a century and dhul qarnain literally means the two-horned one, or one belonging to the two generations or two centuries. According to a classical interpretation, the name is due to his having reached the two 'Horns' of the Sun, east and west, where it rises and where it sets" during his journey (not Cyrus Persian briber).

                  12th century map by the Muslim scholar Al-Idrisi (South up). "Yajooj" and "Majooj" (Gog and Magog) appear in Arabic script on the bottom-left edge of the Eurasian landmass, enclosed within dark mountains (perfectly north Afghanistan)

                  Duing Alexanders time Tajiks-pashtons were closer to being "pure" in their Aryan culture and races, no mongol or huns or turks invaded this early on. Pashto is closer to Avestan than farsi, Ponjabi or Hindi. During Alexander time the language was probably very similar north and east.
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                  • #69
                    Bharati,

                    Those are Pashtuns in the picture. I don't really care about this stupid topic, but the thing about Pashtuns is that we are unique

                    Even the secular Pashtuns I despise knows this.

                    While I don't like this topic since it is un- Islamic, and I don't want to sound racist, but there is no European that can pass as a Pashtun

                    Europeans have nothing to with Aryans at all
                    Last edited by Ghundal; 02-27-2012, 03:21 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Bharati View Post
                      Thank you VERY MUCH.

                      very well said....


                      aryan is a Sanskrit word from prehistoric INDIA

                      But these racists always use it to show their superiority ( like nazis.... And appolyon member )
                      Really dissapointed.

                      Are you denying Aryan invasion theory from central Asia?

                      Fundemtanlist Hindus deniers (or maybe neighboring imposters ) have used this lie how terrible. The ancient Tajik-Pashto culture spoke closer language known as Avestan. The word is "Arya" translates as nobles. This word is passed in Hindu books.

                      In the vedic books racial connotations.

                      Vedic gods like Savitar have golden hair and golden skin.
                      praja arya jyotiragrah ... (Children of Arya are led by light)


                      RV, VII. 33.17



                      Brahmins were said to be white, Kshatriyas red, Vaishyas yellow, and Shudras black. White is the color of purity (sattvaguna), dark that of impurity (tamoguna), red the color of action (rajoguna), and yellow the color of trade (also rajoguna).

                      Greek, Latin and Sanskrit were considered the closest languages to PIE, and much of the reconstructed Aryan proto-language is based on them. Modern Lithuanian, however, is the most archaic living language, closer to the original Aryan speech than any other. There is even an IE language, Tocharian, attested in Chinese Turkestan, which indicates that Aryans must have made an appearance in the Far East, a long-standing piece of linguistic evidence which has been recently confirmed by the discovery of the physical remains of a blond-haired people in China

                      The Sanskrit Rig Veda, a collection of religious texts still revered by modern Hindus, records (often enigmatically) their gradual subjugation of the dark-skinned inhabitants, the Dasyus: e.g. “Indra [=Norse Thor, Celtic Taranis] has torn open the fortresses of the Dasyus, which in their wombs hid the black people. He created land and water for Manu [=Aryan man]“; “lower than all besides, hast thou, O Indra, cast down the Dasyus, abject tribes of Dasas”; “after slaying the Dasyus, let Indra with his white friends win land, let him win the sun and water”; “Indra subdued the Dasyu color and drove it into hiding
                      With all-outstripping chariot-wheel, O Indra,Thou, far-famed, hast overthrown the twice ten kings …Thou goest from fight to fight, intrepidlyDestroying castle after castle here with strength. (RV 1.53)
                      Last edited by Apollyon; 02-27-2012, 03:50 AM.
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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Bharati View Post
                        @ Apollyon :
                        The majority of people in these pics are kalash/ hunza, not pashtuns, because pashtuns were mixed with their neighbours, LIAR

                        And the " peshawari pashtuns" are ethnic pashtuns, how can you say that they are punjabis ? Hypocrite

                        Oh and keep dreaming, nice try buddy
                        90% of what you said was false
                        They are all Kandari sorry mr fundemtalist denier of aryan invasion of Afghan noble people.


                        The following are Nooristani people.




                        Notice the purity of Afghan people by Genetics


                        Genetic testing of Iranian peoples has revealed many common genes for most of the Iranian peoples, but with numerous exceptions and regional variations. Genetic studies conducted by Cavalli-Sforza have revealed that Iranic peoples cluster closely with European groups and more distantly from Near Eastern groups. Preliminary genetic tests suggest common origins for most of the Iranian peoples.




                        Ariana according to Romans


                        Please take a moment and read on your history Pashtuns.

                        Alexander the Great invaded Bactria, Arya and Arachosia in 332 BC. He built Alexandrias in many parts of the country. Later, one of his generals founded the Greco-BactrianKingdom in the north of Afghanistan which lasted two centuries.
                        Buddhism began to penetrate Afghanistan around 250 BC and from the 1st century to the 7th, it flourished in one of its greatest centers in the beautiful valley of Bamiyan where today the two giant statues of Buddha (the tallest in the world) carved in the face of a cliff, are one of the wonders of the world
                        According to the historians, the same Bactrian Aryans were the ancestors of the Eastern Iranian tribs (Tajiks, Pashtuns, Ossetians, Pamirians) they had settled in the areas of Balkh, Herat, Kabul and Gandhara. They gave it the name of Aryana. In the hymns of reg Veda, there was a clear-cut indication of sindho (inus) , kubha (Kabul) , kurrma (kurram) , gumati (gumal) suvastu (swat) and other rivers of the area. Above all, according to bakhtar shah zafar, the philologists agree that Pashto joined hands with the Aryans group of languages. Abdul hye habibi, the most eminent scholar, has given a list of Pashto words, which resemble other languages of house of Aryans.
                        Heinrich Zimmer connects Pakhtas with a tribe already mentioned by Herodotus (Pactyans), and with Pakhtunsin Afghanistan.[1][2]

                        A Pushtun is Caucasian. Anthropologist Carleton S. Coondescribed Irano-Afghans in his The Races of Europe. A Pushtun is of the East Iranian genetic base, bearing a genetic make up that resembles that of a European.


                        Research into human DNA has emerged as a new and innovative tool being used to explore the genetic make-up of various populations in order to ascertain historical population movements. According to some recent genetic research the Pashto-speaking Pashtuns are mainly related to East-Iranian people with "R1a "Haplotypes. There is also evidence of a small Greek contribution to the Pashtun gene pool that will likely require further testing in order to ascertain its pervasiveness.

                        The Pushtu language says enough about pushtuns origin : Pusho language is Classified as East-Iranian, a branche of Indo-European language.
                        In Pashto most of the lexicon is of Eastern Iranian origin; those words can be easily compared to those known from Avestan, Ossetic and Pamir languages

                        http://lukferi.webs.com/
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                        • #72
                          dude your messing up things in history, i am not sure why are you mixing up greeks with indo aryans

                          anyways you are right that pashtuns are more caucasian/eurasian then indians that is very obvious both genetically and looks wise, but limited genetic testings has also shown that pashtuns are also mixed just like any one else for that matter, there is no such thing as pure race.

                          also the invasion or migration of indo aryan did happen at some point, but it is hard to say how that affected the genetics in the region, perhaps pashtuns were already a Caucasian people even before the aryans, who knows. There has been a continuous flow of west eurasian genes coming towards central/south asia for the last 12000 years. That is revealed by when the first ANI people started coming in to the region from west asia and eurasia
                          Last edited by Karachi; 02-27-2012, 04:22 AM.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            dude your messing up things in history, i am not sure why are you mixing up greeks with indo aryans
                            The taxonomy "indo" can be misleading. After all Greeks were part of the migration. A lot of folks are under the impression that India is the origin hence the taxonomy "indo" its difficult to change this word now.

                            Simply put look at the map above, from the Black sea region were the first group of Indo-Euruopeans, obviously they all spoke one language, culture etc.. Hence the similarities.
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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Bharati View Post
                              Thank you VERY MUCH.

                              very well said....


                              aryan is a Sanskrit word from prehistoric INDIA

                              But these racists always use it to show their superiority ( like nazis.... And appolyon member )
                              Aryan was both used in south asia and Iran, it is hard to say where it originated, my guess it actually originated in afghanistan or northern pakistan because that area is where the earliest movements of Indo aryans are tracked too, even the rig vedas were written in present day (Swat valley) area, which is prime pashtun area today

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                                Aryan was both used in south asia and Iran, it is hard to say where it originated, my guess it actually originated in afghanistan not India or Iran
                                It is an Iranic-Afghan term from Avestan, south asian in Hindu text following the invasion.

                                Back to your question I answered it on page 2 on Greek-aryan culture language without going back to Alexander in Arachosia.

                                Graeco-Aryan (or Graeco-Armeno-Aryan) refers to a hypothesis that the Greek language, the Armenian language, and the Indo-Iranian languages share a common history within the wider Indo-European family. Graeco-Aryan unity would have become divided into Proto-Greek (spoken in the Balkans) and Proto-Indo-Iranian (spoken in the Caspian steppe) by the mid 3rd millennium BC. The Phrygian language would also be included.[citation needed] Geographically the ProtoArmenian must be located in Armenian Highland which means between the Proto-Greek and Proto-Indo-Iranian. The Phrygian language would also be located between the Armenian and Proto-Greek, which means the geographic region Asia Minor to the west of Armenia.
                                Graeco-Aryan has comparatively wide support among Indo-Europeanists.[1] Early and strong evidence was given by Euler's 1979 examination on shared features in Greek and Sanskrit nominal flection.[2]
                                Used in tandem with the Graeco-Armenian hypothesis, the Armenian language would also be included under the label Aryano-Greco-Armenic, splitting into proto-Greek/Phrygian and "Armeno-Aryan" (ancestor of Armenian and Indo-Iranian).[3][4]

                                In the context of the Kurgan hypothesis, Greco-Aryan is also known as "Late PIE" or "Late Indo-European" (LIE), suggesting that Greco-Aryan forms a dialect group which corresponds to the latest stage of linguistic unity in the Indo-European homeland in the early part of the 3rd millennium BC. By 2500 BC, Proto-Greek and Proto-Indo-Iranian had separated, moving westward and eastward from the Pontic Steppe, respectively.[5]
                                If Graeco-Aryan is a valid group, Grassmann's Law may have a common origin in Greek and Sanskrit.
                                Graeco-Aryan is invoked in particular in studies of comparative mythology, e.g. by West (1999)[6] and Watkins (2001).[
                                1. ^ A. Bammesberger in The Cambridge History of the English Language, 1992, ISBN 9780521264747, p. 32: the model "still remains the background of much creative work in Indo-European reconstruction" even though it is "by no means uniformly accepted by all scholars".
                                2. ^ Indoiranisch-griechische Gemeinsamkeiten der Nominalbildung und deren indogermanische Grundlagen (= Aryan-Greek Communities in Nominal Morphology and their Indoeuropean Origins; in German) (282 p.), Innsbruck, 1979
                                3. ^ Handbook of Formal Languages (1997) p. 6.
                                4. ^ Indo-European tree with Armeno-Aryan, exclusion of Greek [1]
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