Any Nation That EVER Tried To Conquer Afghanistan NEVER Did

[khushal]

You are a mature and respectable person, that should be least expected from you..

only a person that made comments like you who called afghansitan a place that noone wants because it is just sand, rocks and dirt. that is an ignorant statement. why are there 40+ nations there and why are regional players spending much of their resources to exert influence in afghanistan. Pakistan is on the verge of war over it. it will sacrifice itself and you for influnce in afghanistan. American has destroyed its economy just to exert control over it. the soviet union economy collpased trying to exert control over it.

[Michin Khel]

so who was Mirwais Hotok then?

Read my post carefully, i said afghanistan was under mughals from Babur to aurangzeb. Hotak period is after aurangzeb.

[khushal]

I never questioned the free spirit of pashtuns of plain, they never wanted to be subdued to foriegn forces but they were at disadvantage compared to pashtuns of high mountains. Sikhs were able to defeat pashtuns of plain areas but they were never able to enter into FATA.

they defeated them in battle but they still could not excercise control over them for very long. pashtuns have been defeated in battle many times due to lack of organization because of our tribalism. but control is a different matter.

[Michin Khel]

only a person that made comments like you who called afghansitan a place that noone wants because it is just sand, rocks and dirt. that is an ignorant statement. why are there 40+ nations there and why are regional players spending much of their resources to exert influence in afghanistan. Pakistan is on the verge of war over it. it will sacrifice itself and you for influnce in afghanistan. American has destroyed its economy just to exert control over it. the soviet union economy collpased trying to exert control over it.

I am sticked to my statement, though i spoke in context of old times. But even today NATO are in the land of dust, stones and rocks to curb talibanization...They have no intention of permenantly occupying such useles and troublesome area.

[Admin Khan]

You forget Turks, Arabs, Mongols, Kushans, Persians, Indians, Mughals, Russians, US, NATO, Panjabis .... reopen again a history book.

None of those nations successfully conquered Afghanistan. Is Afghanistan suffering from their attempts? Yes! Did they 'successfully conquer'? No. In fact, if we talk about mickey-mouse attempts at conquering --Afghanistan also conquered Iran, India(along with modern day Pakistan)etc.

[graveyardofempires]

I guess luffy doesnt understand what that dust and dirt is worth to us.


Here is a poem by Ahama shah Baba

By blood, we are immersed in love of you.
The youth lose their heads for your sake.
I come to you and my heart finds rest.
Away from you, grief clings to my heart like a snake.
I forget the throne of Delhi
when I remember the mountain tops of my Afghan land.
If I must choose between the world and you,
I shall not hesitate to claim your barren deserts as my own.

[Michin Khel]

they defeated them in battle but they still could not excercise control over them for very long. pashtuns have been defeated in battle many times due to lack of organization because of our tribalism. but control is a different matter.

Ofcourse it was difficult to control martial and warrior pashtuns...

[khushal]

I am sticked to my statement, though i spoke in context of old times. But even today NATO are in the land of dust, stones and rocks to curb talibanization...They have no intention of permenantly occupying such useles and troublesome area.

badshah khan decided to be buried in the land of dust, stones, and rocks and most of your missiles are named after people from that same land.

So why does america so desperatly want permanent military bases. by your logic i could say that noone wants to invade such a useless country like pakistan even though ameican found what they awere lookign for (osama) in pakistan but claimed to be in afghanistan for that same reason.

[Admin Khan]

I am sticked to my statement, though i spoke in context of old times. But even today NATO are in the land of dust, stones and rocks to curb talibanization...

False.
Afghanistan is a wealthy country, when it comes to minerals and natural resources -- of which many are untapped. To claim Afghanistan is a land of "dust" is simply ignorance. Afghanistan has an important geostrategic location, and is home to lithium,copper and other important resources. There is a reason why Afghanistan has witnessed so many failed conquests. Had Afghanistan been "dusty" like the Arabian desert -- we wouldn't see Pakistan on her knees every time Kabul and Islamabad meet to talk about strategic ties, or the US spending MILLIONS per day to have some sort of influence in this nation. Lazh fikar waka malgara, USSR, Britain, USA aren't on cocaine when they say "We will always support and stand by Afghanistan".

They have no intention of permenantly occupying such useles and troublesome area.

False as well.

[Admin Khan]

badshah khan decided to be buried in the land of dust, stones, and rocks and most of your missiles are named after people from that same land.

So why does america so desperatly want permanent military bases. by your logic i could say that noone wants to invade such a useless country like pakistan even though ameican found what they awere lookign for (osama) in pakistan but claimed to be in afghanistan for that same reason.

Not only that -- Since Pakistan is a young nation with no history under it's name, they proudly claim and take pride in Afghan/Indian history. In fact, I've seen Pakistanis take pride in how Afghans have defeated Britain three times, a nation which ruled them for decades. Luffy should very well know what Afghans did to Britain, and how much pride he and the Pakistani nation takes in those wars. The entire world knows about Afghan resilience. The aforementioned can't be said about new countries.

[khushal]

Read my post carefully, i said afghanistan was under mughals from Babur to aurangzeb. Hotak period is after aurangzeb.

hotok started his campaign when arangzeb was in power but towards the end of his rein and the moghuls never recovered

[Michin Khel]

badshah khan decided to be buried in the land of dust, stones, and rocks and most of your missiles are named after people from that same land.

So why does america so desperatly want permanent military bases. by your logic i could say that noone wants to invade such a useless country like pakistan even though ameican found what they awere lookign for (osama) in pakistan but claimed to be in afghanistan for that same reason.

You are trying to drag me to present day times , i spoke in context of old times, when from east india company or mughals point of view afghanistan was a useless area as revenue from this area was negligible.
From local's prospective afghanistan is lovely and its sand, rocks are gems, but for outsiders this was always useless land. I love desert of my lakki marwat but for a punjabi it is a useless land.

[Admin Khan]

You are trying to drag me to present day times , i spoke in context of old times, when from east india company or mughals point of view afghanistan was a useless area as revenue from this area was negligible.

Luffy, if trillions of dollars of resources means useless, then I might agree with you. You would need to provide concrete evidence for the Mughuls point of view argument. You can't just speak on behalf of a dynasty. I can't claim the reason why Ahmad Shah Baba didn't invade Mexico is because it's sandy. That's a fallacy at it's best, wrora.

From local's prospective afghanistan is lovely and its sand, rocks are gems, but for outsiders this was always useless land. I love desert of my lakki marwat but for a punjabi it is a useless land.

Judging by the amount of failed conquests -- history just does not agree with you.

[Michin Khel]

False.
Afghanistan is a wealthy country, when it comes to minerals and natural resources -- of which many are untapped. To claim Afghanistan is a land of "dust" is simply ignorance. Afghanistan has an important geostrategic location, and is home to lithium,copper and other important resources. There is a reason why Afghanistan has witnessed so many failed conquests. Had Afghanistan been "dusty" like the Arabian desert -- we wouldn't see Pakistan on her knees every time Kabul and Islamabad meet to talk about strategic ties, or the US spending MILLIONS per day to have some sort of influence in this nation. Lazh fikar waka malgara, USSR, Britain, USA aren't on cocaine when they say "We will always support and stand by Afghanistan".

False as well.

Actually afghanistan is not rich in natural resources...compare it with pakistan then you would see the difference..

[Michin Khel]

Not only that -- Since Pakistan is a young nation with no history under it's name, they proudly claim and take pride in Afghan culture. In fact, I've seen Pakistanis take pride in how Afghans have defeated Britain three times, a nation which ruled them for decades. Luffy should very well know what Afghans did to Britain, and how much pride he and the Pakistani nation takes in those wars. The entire world knows about Afghan resilience. The aforementioned can't be said about new countries.

Its because general population of Pakistan are non-racists and take pride in achievements of their muslim afghan brothers. Islam is brought to subcontinent mostly from afghanistan so history of indo-pak is linked with afghanistan. Only a fool would deny the links.