what were pashtuns before islam?

[unknownprince]

No Joseph is the English variation of the Hebrew name Yosef `God Will Increase`. Yusuf يوسف is merely the Arabic form of the same name. However it is a Hebrew name.

The Quran's plagiarised gibbish extents, even to names.

don't you dare insult our religion here. The Quran is the only book that has not been changed and written by man, unlike your Bible which is full of holes, and is fabricated to a ridiculous extent.

There is a lot of evidence that shows the Pashtuns are from the Israelite tribes. Yousafzai, meaning son of Yousaf. Afridi- Ephraedi.

IF the evidence is found to correlate with the oral traditions, then Pashtuns were believers before the advent of Islam.

When Islam arose, the Pasthuns accepted it overnight.

Therefore, Pashtuns have a right to Palestine, and in the future can evict the Western-Zionists (Khazars- thieves) from Israel, and reclaim it as their rightful land, handing it off to the Palestinians.

[retro]

don't you dare insult our religion here. The Quran is the only book that has not been changed and written by man, unlike your Bible which is full of holes, and is fabricated to a ridiculous extent.

Christianity really isn't something that you know anything about. You claim that Christianity is fabricated? However Christianity started as an offshoot of Judaism and references far older traditions. It is also based upon multiple accounts. Whilst in order to belive in Islam you have to that believe that god makes mistakes and has to send down an illiterate "prophet" to repute other peoples religions.

It's also a mistake to confuses, hearsay with facts. The Quran was not compiled, when Mohammed was still alive and the oldest known carbon dated Quranic fragments, where written well over a hundred years after Mohammed's death.

The first compiled, versions (yes more than one) of the Quran where originally written in old Arabic script which left out vowel markings and these where not added and the Quran fully interpreted into a more agreed form until around 900 AD. Hence you will not find a single complete Quran, that predate this period, nor is it true to say that the Quran can even be linked to a single original document.

The Christian Bible, on the other hand was compiled from a variety of sources and the oldest known fragments of the gospels, date to around 150AD. However the oldest complete Greek New Testament, the 'Codex Sinaiticus' dates to 330AD. Hence Christians are in possession of a complete 1600 years-old Christian text, that predate Mohammed's birth by 300 years. That corroborates the Christian narrative, contradicting Mohammeds fables.

There is a lot of evidence that shows the Pashtuns are from the Israelite tribes. Yousafzai, meaning son of Yousaf. Afridi- Ephraedi.

IF the evidence is found to correlate with the oral traditions, then Pashtuns were believers before the advent of Islam.

When Islam arose, the Pasthuns accepted it overnight.

Therefore, Pashtuns have a right to Palestine, and in the future can evict the Western-Zionists (Khazars- thieves) from Israel, and reclaim it as their rightful land, handing it off to the Palestinians.

If I where you I'd stay well away from the Middle East. The Palestinians and Jews need to resolve their own problems with each other. The culture of that region is part of the problem and it really needs to change.

Afghanistan like before Persia was conquered by the Arabs in 870 AD and the Turkic peoples somewhat later by more underhand means. The Arabs conquered your people by the sword and do not delude yourself that Pasthuns where willing converts. Back then either you converted or where killed.

Pashtun men are a mixture of Central Asians and Near Easterns. Whilst Pashtun women are seemingly more local. Maybe some of the Pashtuns ancestors were Jews. However it's hard very to know and I suspect that most Jews would go into exile rather than convert.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Afghanistan like before Persia was conquered by the Arabs in 870 AD and the Turkic peoples somewhat later by more underhand means. The Arabs conquered your people by the sword and do not delude yourself that Pasthuns where willing converts. Back then either you converted or where killed.

There's sufficient evidence in the autobiographies of the Ghaznavids that suggests that the Afghan tribes converted to Islam voluntarily. It's no wonder then that within the same generation of their conversion, they were busy raiding the Hindu cities of Punjab for the glory of their new faith.

Islam was a very revolutionary ideology for this region and for that time. That is one of the reasons why it spread so quickly in its first 100-200 years.

Converted or killed? My friend, this isn't the 19th century anymore where we get our information about the exotic Orient from 'Orientalists' and The Arabian Nights. Please stop reading William Muir. I wonder why there are still Copts in Egypt and Hindus in India.

This convert-or-die phenomenon is actually more European than it is eastern. In fact, after the Europeans were defeated by your aforementioned Turks and Arabs, they went back into Europe but with their blood-lust not satisfied, they started warring against the "sun-worshiping Heathens" of Lithuania. The knights didn't stop until the last of the Lithuanians converted by the sword. In fact, they didn't leave any other religion alive in Europe. You might also want to read up on the reconquesta.

don't you dare insult our religion here. The Quran is the only book that has not been changed and written by man, unlike your Bible which is full of holes, and is fabricated to a ridiculous extent.

There is a lot of evidence that shows the Pashtuns are from the Israelite tribes. Yousafzai, meaning son of Yousaf. Afridi- Ephraedi.

IF the evidence is found to correlate with the oral traditions, then Pashtuns were believers before the advent of Islam.

When Islam arose, the Pasthuns accepted it overnight.

Therefore, Pashtuns have a right to Palestine, and in the future can evict the Western-Zionists (Khazars- thieves) from Israel, and reclaim it as their rightful land, handing it off to the Palestinians.

Even if all or most Pashtuns are descended from Jews, the ancient Jews were entirely polytheistic. Yahweh (known as El back then) started his career as one amongst the many gods of the desert barbarians known as the Israelities. He even had a wife, whom he killed/rejected and then spoke very ill of her later on. The Israelites worshiped images called Ashera and there is a lot of very convincing archaeological and scriptural evidence to back all of this up.

Ashraf, do you want to admit that we are from the people who believed that if one of our daughters was raped, we would sell her to her rapist for twelve pieces of silver or that we would slaughter entire populations and kill all their animals and keep their virgins as our sex-slaves to please our gods? I'd rather be descended from Buddha-worshiping monks than these... people.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Christianity really isn't something that you know anything about. You claim that Christianity is fabricated? However Christianity started as an offshoot of Judaism and references far older traditions. It is also based upon multiple accounts. Whilst in order to belive in Islam you have to that believe that god makes mistakes and has to send down an illiterate "prophet" to repute other peoples religions.

It's also a mistake to confuses, hearsay with facts. The Quran was not compiled, when Mohammed was still alive and the oldest known carbon dated Quranic fragments, where written well over a hundred years after Mohammed's death.

The first compiled, versions (yes more than one) of the Quran where originally written in old Arabic script which left out vowel markings and these where not added and the Quran fully interpreted into a more agreed form until around 900 AD. Hence you will not find a single complete Quran, that predate this period, nor is it true to say that the Quran can even be linked to a single original document.

The Christian Bible, on the other hand was compiled from a variety of sources and the oldest known fragments of the gospels, date to around 150AD. However the oldest complete Greek New Testament, the 'Codex Sinaiticus' dates to 330AD. Hence Christians are in possession of a complete 1600 years-old Christian text, that predate Mohammed's birth by 300 years. That corroborates the Christian narrative, contradicting Mohammeds fables.




If I where you I'd stay well away from the Middle East. The Palestinians and Jews need to resolve their own problems with each other. The culture of that region is part of the problem and it really needs to change.

Afghanistan like before Persia was conquered by the Arabs in 870 AD and the Turkic peoples somewhat later by more underhand means. The Arabs conquered your people by the sword and do not delude yourself that Pasthuns where willing converts. Back then either you converted or where killed.

Pashtun men are a mixture of Central Asians and Near Easterns. Whilst Pashtun women are seemingly more local. Maybe some of the Pashtuns ancestors were Jews. However it's hard very to know and I suspect that most Jews would go into exile rather than convert.

I don't know; when it comes to lifestyle, moral ideals and way of life Pashtuns share more with the MIddle East than with Persians. Persians have historically been more of a regional and cultural threat to us than the Middle East. Even if we factor in the AlQaeda issue, which is very recent, for the most part Pashtuns have held stronger relations, partly because of Sectarian issues, Persians having been predominantly Shi'a for the last 500 or so years, partly because Persians tend to be on the whole much more obnoxious and Pompous in Nature than the Arabs for the most part. Persians wanted to assimilate everyone under Persian Hegemony; where as Arabs historically speaking even when they conquered regions were at least willing to allow large degrees of cultural autonom; when they came as guests they respected the culture they encountered, when Persians came they wanted everything Persianified. We have many records of this from Pashtun historical accounts where Pashtuns were fighting insurrections against Persian attempts at ruling; to the extent of rising up against the Persians and overtaking Persia and entirely massacring the Persian Royal Family.

From the historical record we find numerous evidences; that such things never happened between locals and Arabs, even when skirmishes did erupt; and on the contrary we find examples of people who were at least by existence of their general locale were quite possibly ancestors to Pashtuns. Indeed it was Mahuy Suri, quite possibly one of the Progenitors of Pashtuns who had ordered the death of Yazdgird; such acts would not have happened if the natural allies of the locals of Afghanistan were the Persians over the Arabs as opposed to the Arabs over the Persians.

I understand as a Persian Nationalist; you're driven at trying to incite and usher a Pan-Indo-Aryan collaboration against the Arabs, but for the most part there is more animosity towards Persians amongst Afghans than there is Arabs.

The whole paradigm of Pashtuns or ancestors of Pashtuns being primarily converted by force is historically undemonstrated and even more falsified by the Abbasid policies which predominated most of the Islamic Development of Eastern Lands.

[Da_Kunar_Ghro]

^ Scimitar, come to my thread!

[ScimitarXEdge]

which one?

[Da_Kunar_Ghro]

^ My confession.
Ashraf_ghaljay said he put you in your place.

[graveyardofempires]

^
lol
yara kho sakht wraan yee noo

[ScimitarXEdge]

No Joseph is the English variation of the Hebrew name Yosef `God Will Increase`. Yusuf يوسف is merely the Arabic form of the same name. However it is a Hebrew name.

The Quran's plagiarised gibbish extents, even to names.

Anyone who has any cursory information on the subject would spit out whatever they're drinking at the intellectual dishonesty of the comment.

This is nothing but an example of sensationalism being portrayed as fact. The Qur'an itself writes that the persons mentioned were not some unique discovery of Muhammad(saw) but were acknowledging previously delineated circumstances. The Arabic name Yusuf is a version of Yosef, and likewise Yosef comes from the Cannanite name Yihawsap. Semitic Cognates tend to draw from similar roots.


I beckon you to reexamine the definition of Plagiarism and find that using such expressions is intellectually dishonest and thus unfactual.
pla·gia·rism

   /ˈpleɪdʒəˌrɪzəm, -dʒiəˌrɪz-/ Show Spelled[pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-] Show IPA
–noun 1. the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Please avoid such shallow tactics...it only harms your credibility. not anyone elses

[Lemar]

There is a lot of evidence that shows the Pashtuns are from the Israelite tribes. Yousafzai, meaning son of Yousaf. Afridi- Ephraedi.

IF the evidence is found to correlate with the oral traditions, then Pashtuns were believers before the advent of Islam.

When Islam arose, the Pasthuns accepted it overnight.

Therefore, Pashtuns have a right to Palestine, and in the future can evict the Western-Zionists (Khazars- thieves) from Israel, and reclaim it as their rightful land, handing it off to the Palestinians.

[TURK]

No Joseph is the English variation of the Hebrew name Yosef `God Will Increase`. Yusuf يوسف is merely the Arabic form of the same name. However it is a Hebrew name.

The Quran's plagiarised gibbish extents, even to names.

It means you dont know anything about religions and not a word about Islam. It also seems that you have nothing in upper portion.
1. Describing history does not means plagiarism.
2. Every language have its own set of rules.
3. Many words from other languages are slightly changed when they are used by the speaker of an other language due to pronunciation.
If your comments were due to lack of knowledge and vacancy of upper portion than you may be forgiven otherwise it means you are really an a.........

[TURK]

[QUOTE=retro;490565]Christianity really isn't something that you know anything about. You claim that Christianity is fabricated? However Christianity started as an offshoot of Judaism and references far older traditions. It is also based upon multiple accounts. Whilst in order to belive in Islam you have to that believe that god makes mistakes and has to send down an illiterate "prophet" to repute other peoples religions.

You are right Christianity is not fabricated. In fact the religion of Hazrat Esa (Christ) (PBUH) has totally vanished. St Paul has eaten it. Offshoot of Judaism??? are you referring it to plagirism? Different accounts like John, Mark, Luke, Mati. What is this. Your book is not attached to GOD or Prophet but with the simple men, Why?
Islam does not demand anything like you mentioned. If you want detailed answer explain your question.

[TURK]

[QUOTE=retro;490565]

It's also a mistake to confuses, hearsay with facts. The Quran was not compiled, when Mohammed was still alive and the oldest known carbon dated Quranic fragments, where written well over a hundred years after Mohammed's death.

It's also a mistake to confuses, hearsay with facts. The Quran was not compiled, when Hazrat Muhammed (STW) was still alive and the oldest known carbon dated Quranic fragments, where written well over a hundred years after Hazrat Muhammed's (STW) death.
What are your sources? Quran was completely compiled in the life of Holy Prophet (STW). It was written on different Leaves, Leather sheets etc. Besides writing it, Hundreds of Muslim has memorized it. Still they are memorizing it. Stop your lies

[TURK]

[QUOTE=retro;490565]The first compiled, versions (yes more than one) of the Quran where originally written in old Arabic script which left out vowel markings and these where not added and the Quran fully interpreted into a more agreed form until around 900 AD. Hence you will not find a single complete Quran, that predate this period, nor is it true to say that the Quran can even be linked to a single original document.

Non-Dear the thing you are calling vowel markings is called as "Araabs". It was introduced by Hujajj bin Yousaf an Ummayed Governer of Iraq for non-Arabic speaking muslims and people like you. It does not change the meaning but clears. 900 AD??? I have really great sympathy for you. Quran was agreed by the day of its arrival and as I have described it was present in written form in the life of HOLY PROPHET (STW).
Quran is in its original form thats why you all are jelous. I can really feel you emotions your priest have changed Bible than its not our fault my poor bro

[TURK]

[QUOTE=retro;490565]The Christian Bible, on the other hand was compiled from a variety of sources and the oldest known fragments of the gospels, date to around 150AD. However the oldest complete Greek New Testament, the 'Codex Sinaiticus' dates to 330AD. Hence Christians are in possession of a complete 1600 years-old Christian text, that predate Mohammed's birth by 300 years. That corroborates the Christian narrative, contradicting Mohammeds fables.

Variety of sources??? I thought revelation of Bible came to Hazrat ESA (Jesus Christ) (PBUH).
150AD??? Oh it is very short short, little little, tiny tiny time period. Where was that Bible in between 150 years.
Oldest Greek Testament? What was the language of Hazrat ESA (Jesus Christ) (PBUH)? If you know please tell.
Instead of saying "Hence Christians are in possession of a complete 1600 years-old Christian text" you should say Christian are in possession of an BIOGRAPHY OF HAZRAT ESA (JESUS CHRIST) (PBUH) written by different authors. Does it really corroborates the Christian narrative.

Your propogenda machine will not work here.

If I where you I'd stay well away from the Middle East. The Palestinians and Jews need to resolve their own problems with each other. The culture of that region is part of the problem and it really needs to change.

jews are intruders injected by hypocrate british. They captured the place of Palestinians illegally. We will not leave them alone. jews have no more chances ghamar gorey.