Pashtuns are Yeptalites, Kushans, Scythians?

[Afghanfootball]

Hello all,

Ancient DNA samples can put an end to this debate, and until then the best way to prove any relationship to other ethnicities ancient or present is only through the yDNA and mtDNA lineages one carries.

So my request to all of you is to get your DNA sequencing done and know how and where you fit into the true Human History.

Do you think Aryans came from India

[paulgill]

No, Corded Ware Culture, my opinion.

Why that is important to you? Only one's genetic lineage is true where no biases work, the so called surnames, group , ethnic etc. names can be given, changed or adopted, History generally is full of cultural, ethnic, political, religious and personal biases thus is least reliable in the end.

[Aryana]

So.. you can not prove it?

Science is backed by facts and evidences. You don't have neither of them. No evidences claims or backs your suggestion about Pashto tracing his roots back to Bactrian. Do you know the word "asp" (horse)? "Doroogh" (lie)? "Gap" (word)? This are pure Bactrian words. Do you use them in Pashto? Dari has much more influence from Bactrian than Pashto.

Do you have the word "os" (now)? Ezbago (tongue) in Bactrian easily translates (from the base of the word zba) to zeba (meaning tongue) in Pashto. Also, in Pashto, we use "as" which means horse.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that Bactrian contained both the consonants "dz" and "ts", both of which are present in Pashto today but lacking in Dari. Not only that, Bactrian is classified as Eastern Iranic, not Western (like Persian and Dari).

[Firdousi]

Do you have the word "os" (now)? Ezbago (tongue) in Bactrian easily translates (from the base of the word zba) to zeba (meaning tongue) in Pashto. Also, in Pashto, we use "as" which means horse.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that Bactrian contained both the consonants "dz" and "ts", both of which are present in Pashto today but lacking in Dari. Not only that, Bactrian is classified as Eastern Iranic, not Western (like Persian and Dari).

Zeebaan is pure Farsi word man. We also say zebaan. Still does not prove Pashto is close to Bactrian. Just influences.

Please brother now say in Pashto "Pashto zinde bad" lol

[Firdousi]

The irony is, I bet he doesn't even speak Pashto.

Yeah thats very common among many Pashtun nationalist from Northern and Western provinces. I know many Pashtuns from Farah and Herat and they are always bragging about their Pashtuniat. They can not speak one single word of Pashto lol

[Aryana]

Zeebaan is pure Farsi word man. We also say zebaan. Still does not prove Pashto is close to Bactrian. Just influences.

Please brother now say in Pashto "Pashto zinde bad" lol

We don't say "zebaan", we say "žeba". If you still don't think that Bactrian is an ancestor of Pashto, only God can help you. It's just as dumb as saying that Middle Persian isn't the ancestor language to Farsi. Although I'm not a linguist, I'm pretty sure that the Bactrian language is very similar to Pashto through these similarities. Does Farsi contain (ts) and (dz)? Pashto contains both ts and dz, and Bactrian as well contain these. The shift between Bactrian --> Pashto is very clearly obvious, and yet you're denying it.
But then again, the Pashto language might've taken a different route from the Avestan --> Bactrian --> Pashto I'm talking about.

[Firdousi]

We don't say "zebaan", we say "žeba". If you still don't think that Bactrian is an ancestor of Pashto, only God can help you. It's just as dumb as saying that Middle Persian isn't the ancestor language to Farsi. Although I'm not a linguist, I'm pretty sure that the Bactrian language is very similar to Pashto through these similarities. Does Farsi contain (ts) and (dz)? Pashto contains both ts and dz, and Bactrian as well contain these. The shift between Bactrian --> Pashto is very clearly obvious, and yet you're denying it.
But then again, the Pashto language might've taken a different route from the Avestan --> Bactrian --> Pashto I'm talking about.

Once again nobody cares about your opinion or your guesses. You need to back up your claims with solid evidences and facts. Can you please share some reliable sources about Pashto being the legitimate descendent of Bactrian language? You can not. There are some pretty obvious similarities but that does not mean that they are the same thing.

Listen I know for you Pashtuns must be kinda awful that for most of the people in the region Pashto is an useless tribal language for caveman people and you need to praise it by making a glorious lineage out of it, but the harsh truth is that Pashto has nothing to do with Bactrian. Completely different languages. Whether you like it or not Pashtuns are not Bactrians.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

So "Aryana" you're NOT a linguist, you have no academically peer reviewed references. you make really poorly linked phonetic arguments, which do not match what we currently know about current Eastern Iranian languages.

How do you expect a well educated, and objective audience to take you seriously? This is low quality attempt at scholarship. Like Geocities Website, HTML "Under Construction" for 10 years level.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

[MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION]

While I don;'t buy into these half-cocked "Pashtun antiquity" arguments.

I will say that Pashto has a rich and replete lexicon of its own, even if many common words used often are borrowed from Farsi and Araboc or Sanskrit

for example , your comment "Pashto Zinda Bad" has the equivalent "Pashto Tal De Wi" in Pashto. while people may use the prior, the later exists.

[Firdousi]

[MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION]

While I don;'t buy into these half-cocked "Pashtun antiquity" arguments.

I will say that Pashto has a rich and replete lexicon of its own, even if many common words used often are borrowed from Farsi and Araboc or Sanskrit

for example , your comment "Pashto Zinda Bad" has the equivalent "Pashto Tal De Wi" in Pashto. while people may use the prior, the later exists.

Hmm, I did not know that, man. Thanks for the info.

I think Pashto has a huge problem when it comes to its credibility. As a Persianspeaker who can not speak Pashto I feel like everything that surrounds Pashto language and Pashtun culture is fake. Even the "rich lexicon" you are talking about sounds fake to me basically because I have the perception that so many words were actually made up by Pashtunists. Since Pashtuns have always tried to impose their language on us many Persianspeakers got a strong hatred for Pashto. And honestly its completely useless. What is Pashto good for? In Pakistan Urdu is lingua franca. In Afghanistan its Farsi. Even many Pashtuns refuse to speak Pashto in Afghanistan. Pashto unlike Farsi lacks of pedigree.

[Samandri]

And honestly its completely useless. What is Pashto good for? .

Midget Tajik, with short-legs, who cant even trace his great great grandfather, is talking about pedigree......

Your Persian daddies from Iran imposed their language on your ancestors and your Mongol daddies from Mongolia impregnated the wives and daughters of your ancestors. None of the Tajik is able to tell his origin. Due to stupidity of Afghan-Pashtuns in the last century, historically meek and degenerate tajik, has grown some cells in their balls and are trying very hard to look down upon Pashtuns even though they are midgets.

[Firdousi]

Midget Tajik, with short-legs, who cant even trace his great great grandfather, is talking about pedigree......

Your Persian daddies from Iran imposed their language on your ancestors and your Mongol daddies from Mongolia impregnated the wives and daughters of your ancestors. None of the Tajik is able to tell his origin. Due to stupidity of Afghan-Pashtuns in the last century, historically meek and degenerate tajik, has grown some cells in their balls and are trying very hard to look down upon Pashtuns even though they are midgets.

Hahaha, come on, man. Calm down. I did not mean to offend you or bring you down. We are all brothers. But you gotta accept Pashto is useless. In Afghanistan even many Pashtuns can't speak it. Persian language and Persian culture beats Pashtunism in any field. Get over it, Paki!

BTW its hilarious you call me "midget" when you don't even know me. I bet I am stronger and taller than 95% Pashtuns lol

[Sarbani]

We don't say "zebaan", we say "žeba". If you still don't think that Bactrian is an ancestor of Pashto, only God can help you. It's just as dumb as saying that Middle Persian isn't the ancestor language to Farsi. Although I'm not a linguist, I'm pretty sure that the Bactrian language is very similar to Pashto through these similarities. Does Farsi contain (ts) and (dz)? Pashto contains both ts and dz, and Bactrian as well contain these. The shift between Bactrian --> Pashto is very clearly obvious, and yet you're denying it.
But then again, the Pashto language might've taken a different route from the Avestan --> Bactrian --> Pashto I'm talking about.

We don't know much about the language that the Paktyans (Arachosians) spoke. We just know that they were Iranic, were the ancestors of Pashtuns, and lived in lands where Pashtuns live today. It is possible that Bactrian was not a single language but just the name given to languages part of the East Iranic dialect continuum. If you Google Paktyan or Arachosian language, very very little info comes out on it. They could have spoken a "Bactrian language" or its possible the Paktyan/Arachosian language was an East Iranic sister language to Bactrian.

[Samandri]

Hahaha, come on, man. Calm down. I did not mean to offend you or bring you down. We are all brothers. But you gotta accept Pashto is useless. In Afghanistan even many Pashtuns can't speak it. Persian language and Persian culture beats Pashtunism in any field. Get over it, Paki!

BTW its hilarious you call me "midget" when you don't even know me. I bet I am stronger and taller than 95% Pashtuns lol

Little man, Pashto is useless for you not me. For me your Farsi is useless

[Afghanfootball]

Its so obvous that this ferdowsi guy is an irani or punjabi troll.