How is the relationship between Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns in the west?

[Charsi Malang]

Have a look at the achievements of British Pakistani's and then compare that to Afghans there . In my experience Afghans are known around the world for having a low IQ . Afghans being cultural and all well that's all they got I mean what else have the achieved in 98 years of independence ? There is this Afghan friend of mine who keeps on giving certificates to people as to who is asli and nakli pashtun . Also like all Afghans he is very insecure and jealous of Pakistan .

Pakistanis in the U.K. have been here a lot longer than Afghans-that's why their achievements seem higher. Afghans are not famous anywhere in the world for having low IQs-complete fabrication-I've never heard that in my life. How can you compare a destitute group of peoples achievements to those from a country which isn't war torn?

Compare average Pakistani achievements to other nationalities and you'll find it's not that great. Compare it to fellow Indians and you will see a stark difference-both groups have been in the U.K. for roughly the same amount of time and both groups have extremely similar if not the same backgrounds.

[Nekrofrost]

Have a look at the achievements of British Pakistani's and then compare that to Afghans there . In my experience Afghans are known around the world for having a low IQ . Afghans being cultural and all well that's all they got I mean what else have the achieved in 98 years of independence ? There is this Afghan friend of mine who keeps on giving certificates to people as to who is asli and nakli pashtun . Also like all Afghans he is very insecure and jealous of Pakistan .

Pakistanis in the UK are equivalent to afghans in pakistan so you better shut the **** up before you make yourself seem any more dumber.

[mungojerry]

One of the richest Asian in UK is a British Pakistani , Dozens of British Pakistani's are members of parliament , Current mayor of the most powerful city in the world is a British Pakistani . Average median wealth amongst ethnicities Pakistan is in top 5 .

I only see Afghans as chowkidars and garbage collectors in Pakistan . Stupid comparison

mayor is Muhajir. he got relatives living in Karachi and India
secret is we make ghettos in some cities then elect our pakistani MPs. soon we will make pakistani PM in uk. pakistanis are doing great. haha

[Kakar-Wardak]

Pashtuns diaspora is not that big in the west and days of open borders are long gone so it will not increase from current levels.

[mungojerry]

Pashtuns diaspora is not that big in the west and days of open borders are long gone so it will not increase from current levels.

ok

[Adam]

Damn what a sh!tshow

[Samandri]

I only see Afghans as chowkidars and garbage collectors in Pakistan . Stupid comparison

No Afghan (citizen of Afghanistan) do chowkidari of houses and buildings in Pakistan. Majority of them are from settled Pashtun areas, few from FATA. It seems you are so much Punjabized that you see every Pashtun face in Islamabad as "Afghani", and its obvious you have not interacted with Pashtuns in your own city Islamabad. When you complete your studies in Malaysia and visit your city Islamabad, go to Bungalows and other buildings like Banks and markets and ask Chowkidaars there about their nationality and domicile. Or simply go to the private companies which provides security guards and ask them about the nationality of their chowkidaars. As i have already mentioned numerous times, you seem to be a sheltered mommy daddy burger of Islamabad.

[ZarakDurrani606]

No Afghan (citizen of Afghanistan) do chowkidari of houses and buildings in Pakistan. Majority of them are from settled Pashtun areas, few from FATA. It seems you are so much Punjabized that you see every Pashtun face in Islamabad as "Afghani", and its obvious you have not interacted with Pashtuns in your own city Islamabad. When you complete your studies in Malaysia and visit your city Islamabad, go to Bungalows and other buildings like Banks and markets and ask Chowkidaars there about their nationality and domicile. Or simply go to the private companies which provides security guards and ask them about the nationality of their chowkidaars. As i have already mentioned numerous times, you seem to be a sheltered mommy daddy burger of Islamabad.

Oh he is sheltered alright. Imagine him mouthing off to Pashtuns like that. I'm sure they'd end this kosadam spay's life for him right there. He only posts **** on the internet, knowing he's safe. Effeminate spay would'nt be talking crap outside his darkened room though

[toughpashtun]

No Afghan (citizen of Afghanistan) do chowkidari of houses and buildings in Pakistan. Majority of them are from settled Pashtun areas, few from FATA. It seems you are so much Punjabized that you see every Pashtun face in Islamabad as "Afghani", and its obvious you have not interacted with Pashtuns in your own city Islamabad. When you complete your studies in Malaysia and visit your city Islamabad, go to Bungalows and other buildings like Banks and markets and ask Chowkidaars there about their nationality and domicile. Or simply go to the private companies which provides security guards and ask them about the nationality of their chowkidaars. As i have already mentioned numerous times, you seem to be a sheltered mommy daddy burger of Islamabad.

Afghans in Pakistan usually do not work jobs.The poor ones do hard manual labour. And they do their own business of every level , from pushing carts selling corn to being big businessmen.
The chowkidaars are in most cases retired Army or F.C sipahis.

[Charsi Malang]

Pakistanis in the UK are equivalent to afghans in pakistan so you better shut the **** up before you make yourself seem any more dumber.

I beg to differ.

We all accept that Pakistan is a developing country with high levels of poverty. Any refugee or persons seeking asylum in such a country will be be at the lowest end of the social ladder as typically they will be poor with no landholdings. In a country like Pakistan where money is respected above all else the poor Afghan refugee unfortunately will not have a good time.

Pakistanis in the U.K. ( a developed country of course) aren't on that scale and many have their own businesses and so on and so forth (as do a lot of Afghans). Despite this, Pakistanis are not liked at all- not on the basis of poverty but due to certain characteristics that they have displayed over the years. They have never ever been liked- I myself can't understand fully why they are disliked so much.

The whole gist of all my rantings and ravings is that:

1. Pakistan is more developed than Afghanistan
2. It hasn't been at war for 30 years
3. It is a nuclear power-the ONLY Muslim nuclear power
4. There are many successful Pakistanis around the globe
5. There are many beautiful places in Pakistan
6. It has a history (deeply tied in with India of course-barring the Pashtun areas)

DESPITE all of this they are HATED on a personal level by not just white people but everyone including other Muslims. This is not an exaggeration but an inherent hatred I have seen throughout my entire life.
Afghans are hated in Pakistan as they are refugees (all refugees will be looked at as scroungers)- it's not the poor Afghans fault-any of us would move to a safe place to protect ourselves and our families. Pakistanis are hated because of many other reasons.

[Charsi Malang]

I guess the grooming gangs in the UK highlight the pinnacle of intelligence that Pakistan possesses, eh

There are thousands of Success stories when it comes to British Pakistani's . How many success stories do Afghans have ?

Pakistanis themselves accept that their country is a ****hole for no other reasons other than Pakistanis themselves

If that's what makes you sleep at night then good for you . We are the 25th biggest economy in the world PPP wise . Just saying

When Afghanistan was stable, your leadsrs were ****ting bricks to the point of supporting terrorism and extremist groups to destabilise Afghanistan

Afghanistan hasn't been stable since the medieval ages .

No Afghan in their right mind would be jealous of a country that is a ****hole because of the very people living there.

Listen to your talk shows and their grudging admiration for Pakistan . I can post dozens of links here .

The only thing that gives your country some sort of credibility is its nuclear weapons, a pathetic attempt to try and keep Pakistan from its eventual collapse

Keep on dreaming about Pakistani Collapse . The day an Afghan is born he starts thinking about Pakistan getting collapsed .

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Afghanistan will get ready to give up all its territory just to be held high in good standing amongst countries like Turkey and Indonesia .

Afghans are an extremely hardworking race. Many own businesses here in the U.K. On my road here where I live there are 3 businesses owned by Afghans and one by Pakistanis.My own cousins in Pakhtunkhwa in our hometown have admitted that they are generally a lot more hardworking than the locals. They work damn hard for little money and open businesses.

Very impressive for a race whose country hasn't known peace for 30 years and very commendable considering many of these individuals have villages and hometowns that have been totally ravaged. How would your life take shape if your home town or city was ravaged in such a manner?

[Nekrofrost]

I beg to differ.

We all accept that Pakistan is a developing country with high levels of poverty. Any refugee or persons seeking asylum in such a country will be be at the lowest end of the social ladder as typically they will be poor with no landholdings. In a country like Pakistan where money is respected above all else the poor Afghan refugee unfortunately will not have a good time.

Pakistanis in the U.K. ( a developed country of course) aren't on that scale and many have their own businesses and so on and so forth (as do a lot of Afghans). Despite this, Pakistanis are not liked at all- not on the basis of poverty but due to certain characteristics that they have displayed over the years. They have never ever been liked- I myself can't understand fully why they are disliked so much.

The whole gist of all my rantings and ravings is that:

1. Pakistan is more developed than Afghanistan
2. It hasn't been at war for 30 years
3. It is a nuclear power-the ONLY Muslim nuclear power
4. There are many successful Pakistanis around the globe
5. There are many beautiful places in Pakistan
6. It has a history (deeply tied in with India of course-barring the Pashtun areas)

DESPITE all of this they are HATED on a personal level by not just white people but everyone including other Muslims. This is not an exaggeration but an inherent hatred I have seen throughout my entire life.
Afghans are hated in Pakistan as they are refugees (all refugees will be looked at as scroungers)- it's not the poor Afghans fault-any of us would move to a safe place to protect ourselves and our families. Pakistanis are hated because of many other reasons.

Yeah well i meant it here int he sense that pakis are looked at by the brits the same as afghans are looked at by pakis but you got my point atleast unlike some idiots.

[Nekrofrost]

Afghans are an extremely hardworking race. Many own businesses here in the U.K. On my road here where I live there are 3 businesses owned by Afghans and one by Pakistanis.My own cousins in Pakhtunkhwa in our hometown have admitted that they are generally a lot more hardworking than the locals. They work damn hard for little money and open businesses.

Very impressive for a race whose country hasn't known peace for 30 years and very commendable considering many of these individuals have villages and hometowns that have been totally ravaged. How would your life take shape if your home town or city was ravaged in such a manner?

Youre right there. Afghans have this whole motivation of ghairat and 'earning halal' that has them doing some really hard work. In peshawar most shopkeepers and business owners are either gonna be khaariyaan or its gonna be afghans and youll only find afghan doing the small businesses like selling fruit or street food because for some reason pakis see it as a bad thing and as unrespectable.
Btw inb4 someone claims that there are afghan gangs in paksitan that bring in drugs cuz that ****z just dumb.

[Akbar]

A new account eh? Lol.

You seem to know a lot about the U.K. although you're not even from here and have probably never visited here. How on Earth do you know about race relations here? Your posts are getting boring now- it's like flogging a dead horse. I don't think you'll ever understand what I'm getting at- just like every other Pakistani from Pakistan you are in your own little world thinking your nationality is valued and respected.

Let me explain something to you about Mirpuris- you don't have a clue about them here in the U.K. No way are Afghans more backwards and nasal than them. Even other Punjabis absolutely despise Mirpuris. They live in Bradford in huge numbers. I've never had any dealings with them and don't know too much about them but I know they are extremely unpopular.

Please don't talk about being a liar. Being Pakistani is synonymous with being a liar and a cheater. Why are you guys so persistent in elevating your social status through false facts? You all seem to think you are very clever but the truth is in fact the opposite. Face it- no one likes you. I haven't understood it fully myself- like I've posted before I have had many Pakistani friends-including Muhajirs and not all of them are bad-but you are an unpopular nationality here in the U.K. It's not because you are poor or are needy- but there is a worldwide inherent hatred towards your people from everyone from Muslims to non Muslims.

I'm bored of this topic now. You've been banned from here once Logical. Maybe you should take the hint and push off. This is a Pashtun forum-you've got nothing positive to contribute here. Or maybe you also think you are a Pashtun?

do you live in London bruv?
if so which part.

i hear more and more pakis claim to be indian and from some african country like kenya and such.

they call me lala even though they younger than me.
you are totally right how pakistanis are viewd by general public and by many fellow pakistanis.

[Akbar]

Afghans are an extremely hardworking race. Many own businesses here in the U.K. On my road here where I live there are 3 businesses owned by Afghans and one by Pakistanis.My own cousins in Pakhtunkhwa in our hometown have admitted that they are generally a lot more hardworking than the locals. They work damn hard for little money and open businesses.

Very impressive for a race whose country hasn't known peace for 30 years and very commendable considering many of these individuals have villages and hometowns that have been totally ravaged. How would your life take shape if your home town or city was ravaged in such a manner?

it has changed because of the forced eviction but in the ninties as i remember Afghans owned almost all businesses in Board,Hayatabad,Karkhano,.
maybe in alot of other areas as well, they owned restaurants to grocery shop, from clinics to laboratories etc.

there was a boom in economy with the coming of Afghans to peshawar , afghans rented houses and shops from locals.
i had good friends from peshawar and they never treated me differently neither did anyone else. its sad to see them being brainwashed lately to hate their Afghan brethern.