How is the relationship between Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns in the west?

[Dost]

But if they hate Pakistanis more than other Muslims then some thing is not right. Pakistanis in U.K are getting arrested for stalking and raping teenage white girls which is very believable as chachora-pan is epidemic in Pakistan and craze for "Gori chamrri" is inherent in Pakistanis. From Pakistan they go there with dirty minds that they will do "mauj masti" there. And they must be displaying the "Pakistani-pan" there which translates to fraud, duplicity, back biting , spineless-ness etc.

If you want to grade Pakistani people in general in such a way, then I guess making fun of Pashtuns seeking boys and raping them would also be 100% accurate. You're saying stupid **** man. Stop.

[Dost]

Listen donkey, lala simply means elder brother in Pashto (though we Marwats use ' Badi ' )....... The dam Rahim Shah must be smoking chars........just like shortened Paki is said out of malice, in the same manner Punjabis say "lalay" when they intend to be mean..... But if some Punjabi say "Lala", he says so out of respect, its like word "brother" which is used for every black in America......Negro is not insulting but its slight modification nig-ger is said out of hate and racism

Luffy, you are being ignorant. Cut the bull **** out and look towards Allah swt. I mean i don't even understand what you want me to say??

If you want, I can say you are white, but honestly have some shame.

[Dost]

Luffy, are you mentally ill?

Who the **** says 'lallay'? It doesn't even me anything...

Yaar tumara dimagh kharab he. Wtf is 'laalay'? LOL

It means nothing in Punjabi nor Pashto. What kind of mentally ill people are you living with?

[Nekrofrost]

Pakistanis there are not same as afghani refugees, for one they are legals. While refugees are temporary guests who should be thankful to their hosts and also one day go back. Current Mayor of london is likely Mirpuri. .

is this a joke? the amount of pakis i know whove been to the UK illegally is too daym high. Also in countries like sweden fellow pakis come here and claim they are afghans then they come to the pak embassy to do something for them so that they can get go back to pak for weddings and **** i know this cuz my dad is in the foriegn office and tells me about these kinda people(also met a dude from a neighbouring village of mine come here as an afghan)

[Traveller]

Listen donkey, lala simply means elder brother in Pashto (though we Marwats use ' Badi ' )....... The dam Rahim Shah must be smoking chars........just like shortened Paki is said out of malice, in the same manner Punjabis say "lalay" when they intend to be mean..... But if some Punjabi say "Lala", he says so out of respect, its like word "brother" which is used for every black in America......Negro is not insulting but its slight modification nig-ger is said out of hate and racism

I thought "Lala" meant paternal uncle. Moong khpal tra ta lalajan wayoo.

[Samandri]

I thought "Lala" meant paternal uncle. Moong khpal tra ta lalajan wayoo.

Any elder person can be called Lala. In the same context we Marwats use word "badi" for elder brother and for any elder khpal.

[demand]

You haven been to the U.K. , and you don't live here, and English isn't your first language either- it's pointless arguing with you.

English people may hate Eastern Europeans but that is for different reasons-purely economic. Eastern Europeans work a hell of a lot here and undercut a lot of tradesmen, usually sending a lot of money back home as well. Pakistanis are hated for being Pakistani. HUGE difference.

There are many many many illegal Pakistanis here in the U.K. There are many illegal and legal Afghans here as well. The refugee status of Afghans in Pakistan has also been a "legal" one for the past decades.

The Islamic world wants you to lead them????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The Islamic word sees you as an INDIAN- albeit a slightly Islamicized one! WAKE UP. Pakistan is not viewed as some sort of citadel if Islam like they tell you in Pakistan. Outside of Pakistan you are known as Indian. Do you really think an Arab would "allow" you to lead them? Based on Islam or anything else? Hell NO!

How can Pakistan lead the Islamic world? It's whole culture is Indian, it's language, customs, dress- everything is Indian. It's not even an Arabic speaking country. I'm really sorry to burst your bubble- I know they plough it into you in Pakistan that Pakistan is some kind of authority on Islam and Pakistan is a "qilla" of Islam blah blah blah. The rest of the world just doesn't see you like that- I'm sorry.

Again why should I take your posts at face value? Are you seriously telling me Afghans which are only associated with taliban terrorism, bacha bazi, drugs, women beating etc somehow enjoy more respect compared to Pakistanis because of few criminals out of millions in UK? You realise how common is for small minority of afghanis in UK to be involved in rapes? Recently couple of afghanis in UK were caught raping teenager on live facebook.

I know the reason eastern euros are hated, that was my point. They are euros and white and yet still hated by many. I'm under no illusion like you.

They just called Raheel to lead them because he defeated TTP. Do you expected them to call afghani bacha baz general instead who get killed like chickens by afghani taliban?

[demand]

is this a joke? the amount of pakis i know whove been to the UK illegally is too daym high. Also in countries like sweden fellow pakis come here and claim they are afghans then they come to the pak embassy to do something for them so that they can get go back to pak for weddings and **** i know this cuz my dad is in the foriegn office and tells me about these kinda people(also met a dude from a neighbouring village of mine come here as an afghan)

Some pashto speaking pakis take advantage of that because Pakistanis are not given asylum. Poverty back home isn't good enough reason. Pakistan give same answer when people ask why are you forcing afghanis to back when they don't have schools, hospitals, food etc Now its becoming difficult for afghanis, Europe no longer consider Afghanistan situation dangerous.

[Traveller]

Any elder person can be called Lala. In the same context we Marwats use word "badi" for elder brother and for any elder khpal.

In my family we use either "Lala" or "Bai."(I believe the latter is a Desi influence so I've never been very fond of it.)

[Akbar]

Any elder person can be called Lala. In the same context we Marwats use word "badi" for elder brother and for any elder khpal.

i know
we call elder brothers,elder cousins and even in some cases people who are a bit older than us lala.
we call elder sisters Ba boo

[Akbar]

In my family we use either "Lala" or "Bai."(I believe the latter is a Desi influence so I've never been very fond of it.)

bhai is a nono but widely used in pekhawar and around.
in afghanistan its lala.
all the tribes use the word lala not just pashtuns in AFG.

[Charsi Malang]

[QUOTE=demand;808577]Again why should I take your posts at face value? Are you seriously telling me Afghans which are only associated with taliban terrorism, bacha bazi, drugs, women beating etc somehow enjoy more respect compared to Pakistanis because of few criminals out of millions in UK? You realise how common is for small minority of afghanis in UK to be involved in rapes? Recently couple of afghanis in UK were caught raping teenager on live facebook.

I know the reason eastern euros are hated, that was my point. They are euros and white and yet still hated by many. I'm under no illusion like you.

They just called Raheel to lead them because he defeated TTP. Do you expected them to call afghani bacha baz general instead who get killed like chickens by afghani taliban?[/

You should take my posts at face value because I am telling you about a place where I have lived all my life. In simple terms-I know-you do not.

I have lived in the U.K. all my life-I have never lived anywhere else. I come across and work with countless ethnicities on a daily basis on an extremely close level. I have seen the way Pakistanis are viewed all my life, as a child in school, as a teenager in school, as a young man in college and university all the way through the eighties, through the nineties, through the 2000s and even up till now. Trust me on this Afghans are liked a hell of a lot more than Pakistanis- despite the association with terrorism and the Taliban. They are trusted a hell of a lot more than a Pakistani. Once again don't argue with me about race relations in a country where you haven't lived- you simply don't know. You have to have lived in the U.K. to realise this.

You are under a massive massive illusion. Just like every Pakistani from Pakistan you are told that you are respected worldwide. I'm sorry to disappoint you- the facts are very very different.

I'm not anti Pakistan- my family aren't even Afghan nationals- but I'm not stupid enough not to realise something that stares me right in the face daily.

[Charsi Malang]

But if they hate Pakistanis more than other Muslims then some thing is not right. Pakistanis in U.K are getting arrested for stalking and raping teenage white girls which is very believable as chachora-pan is epidemic in Pakistan and craze for "Gori chamrri" is inherent in Pakistanis. From Pakistan they go there with dirty minds that they will do "mauj masti" there. And they must be displaying the "Pakistani-pan" there which translates to fraud, duplicity, back biting , spineless-ness etc.

It's not even because of that graana. The grooming/stalking epidemic is relatively new. the lack of respect for Pakistanis is decades older. Even other Muslims don't really like Pakistanis.

[Charsi Malang]

Salaam,

I don't realize why people are getting so upset?

I insist on every member to not insult anyone. This is stupid. This is jahiliya. I would like to remind all members a simple thing.

You will all die. And when you go to Allah swt, all the people you want to use on your side and the opposing side will come together to incriminate you. There will be no Pakistan/Afghanistan, or Punjabi/Pashtun, they will all be against you. They will all be witness to your transgressions.

I find people insulting each other like this very stupid. Come on guys. Grow up.

[MENTION=19653]Charsi Malang[/MENTION], I am very proud of being a Pakistani. I am also very proud of Europeans hating me for being a Pakistani. If they hate me for being a Pakistani, then that means we are doing something right.

Personally, I don't hate anyone. I am a proud Muslim, and also very proud of Pakistan. Perhaps you are in a weak state where you feel the need to let the English know that you are Afghan. Maybe you feel ashamed.

I don't, and I could care less what these bigoted white people think of us. If being an Afghan presents you less problems and makes you feel safer, than who am I to say anything?

Bless you brother.

But we Pakistanis are not scared of anyone except Allah swt.

Here we go- the religious card comes into play.


If Europeans hate you for being a Pakistani then that is nothing to be proud of. Think why they hate you, if you believe that is the case then think why that hatred isn't directed towards other nationalities. It really isn't something to proud of.

My state is anything but weak. An educated Englishman will AUTOMATICALLY associate me with Afghanistan when he realises I am Pashtun. However an educated Englishman will still associate you with India despite knowing you are a Pakistani. Trust me I am not ashamed of my identity-on the contrary I am a proud of being Pashtun. I just don't want to be associated with anything Desi for that is not what I am, nor what my ancestors were. Why do you think an intelligent man like Imran Khan has been associating himself with being Pashtun and has been doing so since the nineties? He is an astute man who has lived in England for many years and has realised that Pakistan is just simply not respected for some reason.

Being an Afghan would present MORE problems, not less here in Britain. Britain and the rest of the world are at WAR with Afghanistan in case you hadn't noticed.

The phrase is "couldn't care less"- not "could care less".

[Samandri]

Luffy, are you mentally ill?

Who the **** says 'lallay'? It doesn't even me anything...

Yaar tumara dimagh kharab he. Wtf is 'laalay'? LOL

It means nothing in Punjabi nor Pashto. What kind of mentally ill people are you living with?

Pakwatan , your ID Rooh Malang is not even banned yet you have created another ID......are you depressed or some thing?