How is the relationship between Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns in the west?

[Charsi Malang]

Hahahaha you are a joke. You clearly havent been outside of pakistan(or maybe even in pakistan) cuz you have soo many ****in people claiming arab,turkish,persian and mughal ancestry is hilarious. Try telling any qureshi or syed he is of indian origin and youll see what we mean.

Brother if I told you personal experiences where Punjabis/Muhajirs have claimed Pathan/Afghan descent I would be here all night honestly. My family don't have Khan as our surname anymore although my dads surname was Khan.

I highly respect those Desis who just outright say we are Desi or even say that our ancestors may have been Afghan but our claim to being Afghan is now weak or non existant. I have no problems with that at all and I would never assail people who say that.

I do however have a huge problem with those hardcore Desis who would argue till their dying breath that they are Pathan/Afghan yet will be the first to try and ridicule a real Pashtun.

[Charsi Malang]

brothar, are you crazee? no Pakistanis abroad claim ancestry from Afghan, Pashtune or Persian.

you Pashtunes and Afghans make fool of yourselfs everyday by saying such things in the forum. Muhajirs, Indians, Pakistanis none of them hardly think about Afghans Pashtunes or what not. for us you are cavemans, white or Kurd/Persian wannabees speaking funny languages.

I'm not your "brothar" loser.


I've told you before. Don't address me. Your posts really are not worthy of a proper response.

[logical]

You seem to be the ignorant one. The fact I am from England means I can see how your kith and kin lie when they are outside their homeland where hardly anyone can work out real ethnicities, and they think they can forge new ethnicities. I can also see how they are treated as compared to other nationalities.

Divorce amongst Pashtuns traditionally is reserved for situations in which a woman is unfaithful. Luckily none of my cousins have faced that- but if they could start over they all certainly would have kept away from Muhajir women.

Read my post properly- I know English isn't your first language but try- I have been to Pakistan and I have in my post stated that Afghans are treated badly there. Refugees are not treated well anywhere- it's the way it goes- neediness and poverty are terrible things. I am not talking about how Afghans refugees are treated in countries like Iran and Pakistan. On a level playing field in the West you will find Iranians prefer Afghans over Pakistanis-even those few Afghans who can't speak Farsi.

In foreign countries where all Muslims are viewed as the same there are still different perceptions of Muslims from different countries. A Pakistani is still viewed as an irritating Indian offshoot (albeit a slightly Islamicized one) whereas every other nationality has a distinct identity.

There is a stark difference in the way a Pakistani is viewed and treated as compared to other nationalities. Being an Afghan carries a huge advantage over being an Indian Muslim or Pakistani- I have seen this and felt this my entire life from school, college, university, and in the workplace.

Let me give you an example of your cherished colonial sport cricket. England will lose happily to anyone but if they lose to Pakistan then you will have every allegation under the sun flying around including cheating and God knows what else. You won't remember the series of tussles Imran Khan had in the 80s with Sir Ian Botham and and a few other cricketers.

Pakistani descent grooming gangs were highlighted in the media for indecent activities involving underage girls. The first time I have ever seen or heard of an ethnicity being singled out on national media in the U.K. despite the existence of patterns of criminal activities being linked to other ethnicities. National media never links crimes to ethnicities but in the case of Pakistanis or descendants of Pakistanis it was all over the news despite a lot of the perpetrators being British born. This feeling of resentment is so strong that even the foreign minister at the time had airtime related to this whole episode.

Being Afghan carries a humungous advantage over being an Indian Muslim in any country except Pakistan or maybe Iran. Don't try and educate me about how Afghans are viewed in the West- I am from the West and my family have been here for over 60 years. We have felt these things over decades before the West was flooded with Muslims from different nations.

You need to wake up and smell the coffee and experience life in different countries for many years before coming up with any conclusions.

I'm not from UK but I know about Afghanis there. Pakistani is mayor of London while Afghanis are known as uneducated backward people. Not single good afghani have come out of UK while there are many Pakistanis who have become something despite their rural background back home.

And for the fact Paki is used for any brown person by white racists. For them you are paki as ****. There are barely 30 thousand Afghanis in UK, so they don't know much about you as we do. The numbers of Afghanis in UK will not grow much either because days of open borders are long gone but afghanis still try to get there like rats.

16 Afghan Illegal Immigrants Get Caught by UK Border Control in Calais - UK Border Force [HD] - YouTube

[demand]

I'm not from UK but I know about Afghanis there. Pakistani is mayor of London while Afghanis are known as uneducated backward people. Not single good afghani have come out of UK while there are many Pakistanis who have become something despite their rural background back home.

And for the fact Paki is used for any brown person by white racists. For them you are paki as ****. There are barely 30 thousand Afghanis in UK, so they don't know much about you as we do. The numbers of Afghanis in UK will not grow much either because days of open borders are long gone but afghanis still try to get there like rats.

16 Afghan Illegal Immigrants Get Caught by UK Border Control in Calais - UK Border Force [HD] - YouTube

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[demand]

Wtf.... why do i even argue with people like you.
You are the desi equivalent of white people(not a compliment) and im fuking sick of this white people bull ****. Go back to your fuking daal and bhangra instead of ignoring all the valid points of an arguing and making up dumb bull****. If yoi cant understand what im trying to say maybe you shouldnt fuking argue over it either.

I'm sick of your autism. Now pak pathans are akin to immigrants in west? You are treated like **** in western countries by white people because you are son of illegal muslim immigrant and not their equal. Get this through your stupid head, retarded.

[Charsi Malang]

I'm not from UK but I know about Afghanis there. Pakistani is mayor of London while Afghanis are known as uneducated backward people. Not single good afghani have come out of UK while there are many Pakistanis who have become something despite their rural background back home.

And for the fact Paki is used for any brown person by white racists. For them you are paki as ****. There are barely 30 thousand Afghanis in UK, so they don't know much about you as we do. The numbers of Afghanis in UK will not grow much either because days of open borders are long gone but afghanis still try to get there like rats.

16 Afghan Illegal Immigrants Get Caught by UK Border Control in Calais - UK Border Force [HD] - YouTube

Lol we don't have concepts like over here. Everyone here has access to free education-there is no single group that is known as "uneducated or backwards" the mayor of London also comes from humble beginnings. Trust me a lot of people will still not respect him due to his ethnicity. It's a simple fact- no matter what level Pakistanis may get to- they are still not respected- I don't know why that is- characteristics? History? Who knows. The average person doesn't care if the mayor of London is a Pakistani-they still have fixed ideas and perceptions and hatred.

Many of your Muhajirs and Punjabis also claim to be Afghans in order to get into the U.k. Like rats. Yet there is no real war in Pakistan-they just want to get out. God forbid if Pakistan faced the same hardships as Afghanistan, you and your whole family would also do anything to get away.

There are a lot more than 30,000 Afghans in the U.k. And many more Pakistanis- everyone knows Pakistanis here for longer than they have known Afghans up close. Just read what your white masters write about Afghans and what they write about your people- the reality will hit you in the face.

You are correct- a whites racist will call any brown skinned person a "Paki" i.e. an insult - you're substantiating my point. Your nationality is loathed so much that even non Pakistanis bear the brunt of it.

[demand]

Lol we don't have concepts like over here. Everyone here has access to free education-there is no single group that is known as "uneducated or backwards" the mayor of London also comes from humble beginnings. Trust me a lot of people will still not respect him due to his ethnicity. It's a simple fact- no matter what level Pakistanis may get to- they are still not respected- I don't know why that is- characteristics? History? Who knows. The average person doesn't care if the mayor of London is a Pakistani-they still have fixed ideas and perceptions and hatred.

Many of your Muhajirs and Punjabis also claim to be Afghans in order to get into the U.k. Like rats. Yet there is no real war in Pakistan-they just want to get out. God forbid if Pakistan faced the same hardships as Afghanistan, you and your whole family would also do anything to get away.

There are a lot more than 30,000 Afghans in the U.k. And many more Pakistanis- everyone knows Pakistanis here for longer than they have known Afghans up close. Just read what your white masters write about Afghans and what they write about your people- the reality will hit you in the face.

You are correct- a whites racist will call any brown skinned person a "Paki" i.e. an insult - you're substantiating my point. Your nationality is loathed so much that even non Pakistanis bear the brunt of it.

You don't get elected as mayor without being respected. Respect is something you gain by your own doings. Many more are likely just illegal immigrants about to be deported. Actual figure is around about 30.000 as per their census.

Mipuris started to migrate in 60's. Considering afghanis tend to be even more backward and jahil nasal, what make you think they will have better opinion about you back then? They just don't know about you, thank your low numbers. British don't even spare eastern euros hence Briexit.

It's funny people claim to be afghans to get to europe but afghanis themselves are being deported, where is logic in that? Why you guys are so stupid and liars?

[Nekrofrost]

I'm sick of your autism. Now pak pathans are akin to immigrants in west? You are treated like **** in western countries by white people because you are son of illegal muslim immigrant and not their equal. Get this through your stupid head, retarded.

You literally ****ing ignored the jist of the argument and being dumb again. I never ****ing said we are one with the white people you ****ing imbecile.
What im trying to say is that we are to pakistan what black people are to the US. While you punjabis are to pakistan/india what white people are to the world.
You are all gaand ke keeray who dont understand racism and then think its racism if we dont let you be racist. Idk how to upload images from my phone to here or i have a great meme that explains this exact dumb****ery that you have going on.

[Nekrofrost]

This is what i mean

[Charsi Malang]

You don't get elected as mayor without being respected. Respect is something you gain by your own doings. Many more are likely just illegal immigrants about to be deported. Actual figure is around about 30.000 as per their census.

Mipuris started to migrate in 60's. Considering afghanis tend to be even more backward and jahil nasal, what make you think they will have better opinion about you back then? They just don't know about you, thank your low numbers. British don't even spare eastern euros hence Briexit.

It's funny people claim to be afghans to get to europe but afghanis themselves are being deported, where is logic in that? Why you guys are so stupid and liars?

A new account eh? Lol.

You seem to know a lot about the U.K. although you're not even from here and have probably never visited here. How on Earth do you know about race relations here? Your posts are getting boring now- it's like flogging a dead horse. I don't think you'll ever understand what I'm getting at- just like every other Pakistani from Pakistan you are in your own little world thinking your nationality is valued and respected.

Let me explain something to you about Mirpuris- you don't have a clue about them here in the U.K. No way are Afghans more backwards and nasal than them. Even other Punjabis absolutely despise Mirpuris. They live in Bradford in huge numbers. I've never had any dealings with them and don't know too much about them but I know they are extremely unpopular.

Please don't talk about being a liar. Being Pakistani is synonymous with being a liar and a cheater. Why are you guys so persistent in elevating your social status through false facts? You all seem to think you are very clever but the truth is in fact the opposite. Face it- no one likes you. I haven't understood it fully myself- like I've posted before I have had many Pakistani friends-including Muhajirs and not all of them are bad-but you are an unpopular nationality here in the U.K. It's not because you are poor or are needy- but there is a worldwide inherent hatred towards your people from everyone from Muslims to non Muslims.

I'm bored of this topic now. You've been banned from here once Logical. Maybe you should take the hint and push off. This is a Pashtun forum-you've got nothing positive to contribute here. Or maybe you also think you are a Pashtun?

[Charsi Malang]

Its not like every Indian Mohajir claim to be Pathan.....may be two or three out of every ten Mohajirs say they are Pathan.....a bigger number of them claim to be Syeds, which is understandable as Syeds have Brahman-like status in India so many registered themselves as Syeds after arrival in Karachi in 1947. Mohajir leaders like Altaf Hussain. Pervez Muharaf, Haider Abbas Rizwi, Faisal Sabzwari, Mustafa Kamal etc claim to be Syed......Almost every Indian-Mohajir with Khan surname say that he/she is Pathan. Aamir Khan, Afaq Khan etc of MQM will be calling themselves Pathan. As they are neither linguistically nor culturally Pashtuns, so only occasionally they will make declaration that they are Pathans, other than this they are 100% like every other Mohajir.

And literacy rate is high in them because they are urban people and hit the jackpot by grabbing Karachi which was then capital of Pakistan. Ironically the same Indian-Muslims in India are considered backward and relatively illiterate people by Hindus. In any city of India, Indian-Muslims are the most backward , poor and Jahil people of the population.

"Sabzwari" has always intrigued me. I've heard that name before- is it an Urdufied version of "Shinwari"? I know "sabz" means green in Urdu or Farsi.

[Pakistan]

Lol we don't have concepts like over here. Everyone here has access to free education-there is no single group that is known as "uneducated or backwards" the mayor of London also comes from humble beginnings. Trust me a lot of people will still not respect him due to his ethnicity. It's a simple fact- no matter what level Pakistanis may get to- they are still not respected- I don't know why that is- characteristics? History? Who knows. The average person doesn't care if the mayor of London is a Pakistani-they still have fixed ideas and perceptions and hatred.

Many of your Muhajirs and Punjabis also claim to be Afghans in order to get into the U.k. Like rats. Yet there is no real war in Pakistan-they just want to get out. God forbid if Pakistan faced the same hardships as Afghanistan, you and your whole family would also do anything to get away.

There are a lot more than 30,000 Afghans in the U.k. And many more Pakistanis- everyone knows Pakistanis here for longer than they have known Afghans up close. Just read what your white masters write about Afghans and what they write about your people- the reality will hit you in the face.

You are correct- a whites racist will call any brown skinned person a "Paki" i.e. an insult - you're substantiating my point. Your nationality is loathed so much that even non Pakistanis bear the brunt of it.

Have a look at the achievements of British Pakistani's and then compare that to Afghans there . In my experience Afghans are known around the world for having a low IQ . Afghans being cultural and all well that's all they got I mean what else have the achieved in 98 years of independence ? There is this Afghan friend of mine who keeps on giving certificates to people as to who is asli and nakli pashtun . Also like all Afghans he is very insecure and jealous of Pakistan .

[Aryana]

Have a look at the achievements of British Pakistani's and then compare that to Afghans there . In my experience Afghans are known around the world for having a low IQ . Afghans being cultural and all well that's all they got I mean what else have the achieved in 98 years of independence ? There is this Afghan friend of mine who keeps on giving certificates to people as to who is asli and nakli pashtun . Also like all Afghans he is very insecure and jealous of Pakistan .

I guess the grooming gangs in the UK highlight the pinnacle of intelligence that Pakistan possesses, eh? There is no need to get ahead of yourself here, it is your people who claim to be Afghan to be granted refugee status to live in the west, even when there is no war in your country. Pakistanis themselves accept that their country is a ****hole for no other reasons other than Pakistanis themselves. When Afghanistan was stable, your leadsrs were ****ting bricks to the point of supporting terrorism and extremist groups to destabilise Afghanistan. No Afghan in their right mind would be jealous of a country that is a ****hole because of the very people living there. Your country is a joke, an accidental creation of British imperialism. The only thing that gives your country some sort of credibility is its nuclear weapons, a pathetic attempt to try and keep Pakistan from its eventual collapse.

[Pakistan]

I guess the grooming gangs in the UK highlight the pinnacle of intelligence that Pakistan possesses, eh? There is no need to get ahead of yourself here, it is your people who claim to be Afghan to be granted refugee status to live in the west, even when there is no war in your country. Pakistanis themselves accept that their country is a ****hole for no other reasons other than Pakistanis themselves. When Afghanistan was stable, your leadsrs were ****ting bricks to the point of supporting terrorism and extremist groups to destabilise Afghanistan. No Afghan in their right mind would be jealous of a country that is a ****hole because of the very people living there. Your country is a joke, an accidental creation of British imperialism. The only thing that gives your country some sort of credibility is its nuclear weapons, a pathetic attempt to try and keep Pakistan from its eventual collapse.

I guess the grooming gangs in the UK highlight the pinnacle of intelligence that Pakistan possesses, eh

There are thousands of Success stories when it comes to British Pakistani's . How many success stories do Afghans have ?

Pakistanis themselves accept that their country is a ****hole for no other reasons other than Pakistanis themselves

If that's what makes you sleep at night then good for you . We are the 25th biggest economy in the world PPP wise . Just saying

When Afghanistan was stable, your leadsrs were ****ting bricks to the point of supporting terrorism and extremist groups to destabilise Afghanistan

Afghanistan hasn't been stable since the medieval ages .

No Afghan in their right mind would be jealous of a country that is a ****hole because of the very people living there.

Listen to your talk shows and their grudging admiration for Pakistan . I can post dozens of links here .

The only thing that gives your country some sort of credibility is its nuclear weapons, a pathetic attempt to try and keep Pakistan from its eventual collapse

Keep on dreaming about Pakistani Collapse . The day an Afghan is born he starts thinking about Pakistan getting collapsed .

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Afghanistan will get ready to give up all its territory just to be held high in good standing amongst countries like Turkey and Indonesia .

[Samandri]

"Sabzwari" has always intrigued me. I've heard that name before- is it an Urdufied version of "Shinwari"? I know "sabz" means green in Urdu or Farsi.

Sabzwar is a town south of Herat....people with Sabzwari family name in Indo-Pak claim to have migrated from this town of Khurasan centuries ago. Sabzwaris in medieval India were part of Khurasani factions. The full name of the mentioned person is 'Syed Faisal Ali Subzwari'