~ Hijabis.

[PFgulalai]

I still prefer Sor Saloo
...and they did not wear Hijab before Islam as well!

Because it goes against pure Pashtun culture.
Pashtun culture is a Saloo or a Poranai; Pashtuns before Islam did not have plastic bags.

[*Mahzala*]

I am talking about the recent (6-7 years) introduction of the Hijab in our culture (I am from Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa). Clothing is one component of culture;Hijab being worn by some,if not all, women could be considered a part of culture.
Women in our culture were/are always covered-with or without the introduction and subsequent acceptance (by some) by the Hijab.

Well the fact is that today those who wear Hijab are considered more moral than those who do not use it. This is a recent trend in the thinking of our people. And that is why many girls are attracted to the idea of wearing it. I am not saying that I am against it as it's one personal choice. The intesting thing to note is how Hijab has brought a sudden shift in the social acceptance of women who wear/do not wear Hijab.

Women look beautiful only when they are covered.

How do you know, may I ask, that girls wear it to define their modesty and morals?

Again, I do not agree. A woman covering herself is not a recent trend. The fact that the Hijaab stands out relative to other people, religions and cultures if I may say, is a different matter (which needs its own space for discussion). The way a woman dresses and the importance attached to it has always been part of our societies, whether we like to believe it or not. Today, if the focus is on Hijaab, it does not mean that there is no such thing as modesty or covering oneself within certain boundaries for certain reasons. If we date as early as pictures of ‘Virgin Mary’ (to suit this argument), her head and body are well covered. Think of Europe’s mainstream women who wore three layer dresses, full length gloves, shawls, covered shoes and even hats. Think of the 19th Century Indian courtesans who wore three-piece clothing, not revealing an inch of skin, and two-metre dupattas as a forth piece, coming around their bodies. In the physical sense, that is all Hijaab. So no, covering oneself, for whatever reason it may be, be it for modesty, is not a new trend. Of course, I am not arguing that to wear a scarf, you've reached a certain level, nor do I believe in that, because with that scarf goes hand in hand many more characteristics, and if absent, that Hijaab is not serving its purpose and paints a very ugly picture.

[PFgulalai]

First come first, covering head (with hijab) and covering body (with clothes) are two different things to the spectator standing in the real world,if not to the mystic sitting in the ideal world of his/her own.What we perceive is what we believe. While Mayana says that Hijab is not just parda of head but entire body, a person looking at Mayan might not think the same.There is absolutely nothing wrong in both perceptions. The difference is the nature-one being spiritual, other being physical.In the real world, we expereince 'physical' mostly rather than spiritual since our senses are developed for detecting the 'physicalness' rather than 'spiritualness'.

A woman covering herself is not a recent trend....So no, covering oneself, for whatever reason it may be, be it for modesty, is not a new trend.

If you read my posts carefully, you will notice that I am not referring to the 'recent trend of women covering their bodies' but the recent trend of women's moral and social acceptance through wearing Hijab. Having said that, the issue I was trying to bring forward (which unfortunately did not happen) was the developing trend in our society in which how women are discriminated on the basis of wearing/not wearing Hijab.(I suppose the actual use was to cover head). While such discrimination was not there before (because we used to wear Saloo only), today it is there. Girls are rejected for marriage because they do not wear Hijab and hence they are considered too 'azaad' or 'modern' to fit in any family.Of course, exceptions are there but I am referring to the prevailing/developing trend in our society.

Of course, I know women cover their bodies. Did I say it's a recent trend? Lol, please...I am a woman too!

How do you know, may I ask, that girls wear it to define their modesty and morals?

Again, I do not agree. A woman covering herself is not a recent trend. The fact that the Hijaab stands out relative to other people, religions and cultures if I may say, is a different matter (which needs its own space for discussion). The way a woman dresses and the importance attached to it has always been part of our societies, whether we like to believe it or not. Today, if the focus is on Hijaab, it does not mean that there is no such thing as modesty or covering oneself within certain boundaries for certain reasons. If we date as early as pictures of ‘Virgin Mary’ (to suit this argument), her head and body are well covered. Think of Europe’s mainstream women who wore three layer dresses, full length gloves, shawls, covered shoes and even hats. Think of the 19th Century Indian courtesans who wore three-piece clothing, not revealing an inch of skin, and two-metre dupattas as a forth piece, coming around their bodies. In the physical sense, that is all Hijaab. So no, covering oneself, for whatever reason it may be, be it for modesty, is not a new trend. Of course, I am not arguing that to wear a scarf, you've reached a certain level, nor do I believe in that, because with that scarf goes hand in hand many more characteristics, and if absent, that Hijaab is not serving its purpose and paints a very ugly picture.

[*Mahzala*]

If you read my posts carefully, you will notice that I am not referring to the 'recent trend of women covering their bodies' but the recent trend of women's moral and social acceptance through wearing Hijab. Having said that, the issue I was trying to bring forward (which unfortunately did not happen) was the developing trend in our society in which how women are discriminated on the basis of wearing/not wearing Hijab.(I suppose the actual use was to cover head). While such discrimination was not there before (because we used to wear Saloo only), today it is there. Girls are rejected for marriage because they do not wear Hijab and hence they are considered too 'azaad' or 'modern' to fit in any family.Of course, exceptions are there but I am referring to the prevailing/developing trend in our society.

Of course, I know women cover their bodies. Did I say it's a recent trend? Lol, please...I am a woman too!

I read your post carefully, and thus my earlier response. And to clarify your misunderstanding, my post wasn’t limited to the fact that women cover themselves. Needless to say, I am aware we don’t live behind leaves. The point you missed, or what I failed to communicate was the fact that, covering ones hair or head or even body was very similar to the concept of Hijaab; the concept that is blown out of proportion today.

To be honest with you, I experience the exact opposite. I am yet to see a non-Hijaabi frowned upon. Rather, where I am, being azaad defines your status in society. The more you cover, the lower you are. Frankly speaking, I find that ridiculous. Just as I do the argument you are presenting where a woman is considered modest and moral and more accepted if she wears Hijaab. Modesty and morality have no measure. I know women, who, with Hijaab, commit the unspeakable, and non-Hijaabi’s who are full of haya and lead their lives in the light of Islam. I also know Hijaabi women who portray Muslim women in the finest manner, and non-Hijaabi’s who are the talk of every community. The point I am making is that Hijaab doesn’t define your morals and modesty (a question you did not answer) as Hijaab is not limited to the physical headscarf (I am intending to define the concept in another post). I also find it strange that you say non-Hijaabi’s are not considered for marriage. I am yet to see that too. To each is their kind. I can give you countless examples of our very own Pakhtuns marrying non-Hijaabi’s families, and non-Pukhtoons for that matter. So I think we should refrain from generalising and dragging everyone into the same boat.

[PFgulalai]

It makes a huge difference. A girl with a scarf and a scarfless girl makes a major difference in my eyes.

hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it.

but a girl wearing skinny jeans and a sleeveless who gets mocked by a guy (happens very often) I would ignore it. She brought it upon herself.

So many of you have lost your culture. Just a little note that Pashtuns are 95percent Muslim.

Thanks for helping me out. Your reflections on this issue is what I was alluding to in my posts. I don't have to elaborate any further since your turn of mind is what has become a developing trend in our culture.

95percent of our woman wear scarf and hijab.

I beg to differ. 95%? Give me the reference for this figure. I come from a predominantely Pashtun state where I don't think 95% of women cover their heads with hijab. Yes we do wear Saloo/sadar/shawl to cover head and body.

The member who said this belong in fashion mustve lost her mind. You think women wear hijab cause it's fashion and attracts attention?

Well I have issues about posting this thread in Pashtun Culture since Hijab in our society got introduced from Arab culture.Keeping this topic in Pashtun Culture would make sense only if 95% Pashtun women would wear it. I bet you would not be successful in finding that 'BIG' figure.

Fashion is not necessarily for attracting attention. One could be attracted to other qualities such as honesty, intelligence, truthfulness etc. Fashion is just a way of keeping you trendy and the resultant acceptance in society. Hijab was introduced as a FASHION in our culture initially. You can deny as much as you want to but it won't change the facts.

Don't jump into conclusions without even knowing what I was arguing about. I am not talking about Hijab's use for attracting/repulsing the male community.I am talking about the overall influence that Hijab has made in our society so far.

but a girl wearing skinny jeans and a sleeveless who gets mocked by a guy (happens very often) I would ignore it. She brought it upon herself.

I have never seen a girl wearing skinny jeans and a sleevless shirt in Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. I am sure she will not be just mocked but stoned to death by .
So many of you have lost your culture.

Just because I don't use Hijab for covering my head (but rather use something else) does not mean that I have lost my culture. Losing one's culture is not that easy as you think especially by narrowing it to the headscarf!!!!

Don't introduce such western practices (walking scarfless) into our culture.

Well there is no point of bringing the poor west into this discussion as Hijab is not related to them.

And yes I lose my mind everytime I hear something like this--"
hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it.

but a girl wearing skinny jeans and a sleeveless who gets mocked by a guy (happens very often) I would ignore it. She brought it upon herself."

It makes a huge difference. A girl with a scarf and a scarfless girl makes a major difference in my eyes.

hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it.

but a girl wearing skinny jeans and a sleeveless who gets mocked by a guy (happens very often) I would ignore it. She brought it upon herself.

So many of you have lost your culture. Just a little note that Pashtuns are 95percent Muslim. 95percent of our woman wear scarf and hijab. Don't introduce such western practices (walking scarfless) into our culture. The member who said this belong in fashion mustve lost her mind. You think women wear hijab cause it's fashion and attracts attention?


Za Maseed yam.

[PFgulalai]

Frankly speaking, I find that ridiculous. Just as I do the argument you are presenting where a woman is considered modest and moral and more accepted if she wears Hijaab. Modesty and morality have no measure.

Exactly!!I find it not only ridiculous but also extremely absurd to judge women's moral standards through wearing/not wearing Hijab.That was my reason behind bringing the issue on this thread besides my several other issues (which I would keep aside for a while).

The point I am making is that Hijaab doesn’t define your morals and modesty (a question you did not answer)....

I have mentioned that before but I could repeat it for you. Indeed to a ratiocinative mind, morals and modesty could not be judged on the basis of headscarf.The society where I come from, places a share amount emphasis on Hijab--headscarf--which obviously is a great surprise for you since your experiences are different than what I have observed. Although our observations are different but if we both agree to the fact that Hijab does not symbolize morality then there is no point of arguging on it further

And what a hypocricy!!!you negate the existence of relation between Hijab and morality (which I appreciate greatly as a woman) but at the same time appreciate this??

"It makes a huge difference. A girl with a scarf and a scarfless girl makes a major difference in my eyes.

hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it."

While you could appreciate the above discourse for variety of reasons unknown to me but I would like to know the reason behind your appreciation of the particular mindset expressed in the above post.

I read your post carefully, and thus my earlier response. And to clarify your misunderstanding, my post wasn’t limited to the fact that women cover themselves. Needless to say, I am aware we don’t live behind leaves. The point you missed, or what I failed to communicate was the fact that, covering ones hair or head or even body was very similar to the concept of Hijaab; the concept that is blown out of proportion today.

To be honest with you, I experience the exact opposite. I am yet to see a non-Hijaabi frowned upon. Rather, where I am, being azaad defines your status in society. The more you cover, the lower you are. Frankly speaking, I find that ridiculous. Just as I do the argument you are presenting where a woman is considered modest and moral and more accepted if she wears Hijaab. Modesty and morality have no measure. I know women, who, with Hijaab, commit the unspeakable, and non-Hijaabi’s who are full of haya and lead their lives in the light of Islam. I also know Hijaabi women who portray Muslim women in the finest manner, and non-Hijaabi’s who are the talk of every community. The point I am making is that Hijaab doesn’t define your morals and modesty (a question you did not answer) as Hijaab is not limited to the physical headscarf (I am intending to define the concept in another post). I also find it strange that you say non-Hijaabi’s are not considered for marriage. I am yet to see that too. To each is their kind. I can give you countless examples of our very own Pakhtuns marrying non-Hijaabi’s families, and non-Pukhtoons for that matter. So I think we should refrain from generalising and dragging everyone into the same boat.

[Roshina]

This topic has been discussed at least in three different threads before:

- http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...-sisters-1951/
- http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...ew-hijab-1779/
- http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...necessary-694/

All serve the same purpose, so please check to see if we have a topic opened up already for what you wanna discuss before creating a new one -- just to avoid having too many threads on the same topic.

How do you know, may I ask, that girls wear it to define their modesty and morals?

It's obvious in many of the responses here, Mahzala Jaan. Not sure about morals in this particular thread, but in a few other threads, some of our sisters have enforced the misleading notion that the girl who wears a hijab (hijab meaning headscarf) are more "moral" as well as more modest.

One a general note, as far as the history of hijab is concerned, every culture, ever society, every religion -- long, long before Islam -- has had its dress code, many a times resembling other cultures/religions. In Persia, for example, the idea was that only rich, elite women would cover their faces when in public. The concept of this kind of hijab evolved into what we see now: Societies having no better way to keep their women "chaste" and safe and secure, so they enforce the veil on them. Yes, it's enforced -- very, very few women actually choose to cover their faces (I said faces, not hair. More women choose to cover their hair because they beleive it's mandated by the Quran when it's actually not).

The whole idea of head-covering is not in the Quran at all; it's never implied by the Arabic text of the Quran whatsoever. It's translation that tell women to even cover their faces, leaving just one eye uncovered! (One of the translations of the Quran I have is like this.) What the problem here is that most women are then fooled into believing that not just the head-covering but even the face-covering is in the Quran. A few will actually stand up to do their research to study the matter in depth. For many, it's enough to just say, "Okay, the Quran says to cover your hair, so you should do it."

Then they quote verses that don't even define terms like aurah ("pardah," "beauty"). Who defines aurah? And why necessarily that particular way? Classical scholars of Islam defined it to include the woman's dress/jewelry and hair, hence saying that they must be covered.

When the Quran tells us to cover so that we're not "molested," "teased," etc., we interpret it in the sense of rape/molestation or being teased by the opposite gender! When read in its historical context, the verse doesn't actually mean that: It's telling us to dress in a way that we can be recognized as Muslims by other Muslims so that we're not harmed (the idea is that when the Muslims and non-Muslims would be fighting with each other, or when one side would be in danger in the hands of the other, the best way to ensure that those who belong to your faith recognize YOU as what you and they are so that THEY don't harm you by mistake, assuming by your appearance that you're not a Muslim/etc.) In other words, if what you're wearing is going to harm you or place you in danger, remember that your own safety and life comes before anything else. If you wear the hijab so you're recognized as a Muslim, great -- go for it. But be sure to know the history of all the verses that discuss hijab/dress-code/etc. before you go around fooling yourself and misleading others to believe that it's actually in the Quran.

Since I've discussed this matter a ton of times in the threads mentioned above, I don't see why repeating it would be necessary, so I'll stop here.

However, I must say that whoever wants to wear the hijab (headcovering) SHOULD wear it, as long as it's a choice. The problem comes when they claim it's in the Quran but they can't find a verse that tells them to cover their hair.

[Roshina]

hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it.

Are you sure you know her intention behind covering her hair, bro? I'm not so sure about that. Many girls today wear the hijab because it's a fashion statement. Haven't you noticed the beautiful styles we have today, the rectangular-shaped hijab that are so colorful and flashy and have sitarey on them all over? And then on top of THAT, a large number of girls actually put lipstick or shiny lip gloss, mascara and eye-liner, and matching outfits with them.

You should never, ever assume that someone's wearing the hijab because their intention is what you think it is. It may not be whatsoever. It may just be to fit in with their Muslim friends.

If you yourself are sincere in your intentions AND if you have sisters/wife/mother/daughters, you should hope and plan to stand up for any girl/woman who's being bothered by others, regardless of whether her hair is covered or not. NO woman wants to be molested, NO woman wants to be raped. We need to get out of this sick mentality that any girl whose hair is uncovered is seeking the attention of men! If anything, my dear brother, many hijabi girls today wear the hijab IN ORDER TO seek the attention of Muslim men who might be looking into marrying hijabi women only! Go figure. Girls know that today, we live in a shallow society with superficial concepts and definitions of modesty, goodness, etc., and so they know that the best and easiest way to appear modest and upright and everything good is by covering your hair. And they fool who? Men like those who think that a woman whose hair is covered is more modest than the woman whose hair isn't covered.

[Roshina]

On a different note, a Hijab is not a headscarf, it's more than that.. it translates to the Pashto word "Parda". It goes beyond a headscarf, beyond a long shirt, beyond lose trousers.. into the very soul of the person who wears it, it is a way of covering yourself in every possible way - not just covering hair on your head. =)

Thank you! That's absolutely true!

[PFgulalai]

Wakh, Wakh!!Loved it, devoured it, ate it like a horse!yum,yum!!

Are you sure you know her intention behind covering her hair, bro? I'm not so sure about that. Many girls today wear the hijab because it's a fashion statement. Haven't you noticed the beautiful styles we have today, the rectangular-shaped hijab that are so colorful and flashy and have sitarey on them all over? And then on top of THAT, a large number of girls actually put lipstick or shiny lip gloss, mascara and eye-liner, and matching outfits with them.

You should never, ever assume that someone's wearing the hijab because their intention is what you think it is. It may not be whatsoever. It may just be to fit in with their Muslim friends.

If you yourself are sincere in your intentions AND if you have sisters/wife/mother/daughters, you should hope and plan to stand up for any girl/woman who's being bothered by others, regardless of whether her hair is covered or not. NO woman wants to be molested, NO woman wants to be raped. We need to get out of this sick mentality that any girl whose hair is uncovered is seeking the attention of men! If anything, my dear brother, many hijabi girls today wear the hijab IN ORDER TO seek the attention of Muslim men who might be looking into marrying hijabi women only! Go figure. Girls know that today, we live in a shallow society with superficial concepts and definitions of modesty, goodness, etc., and so they know that the best and easiest way to appear modest and upright and everything good is by covering your hair. And they fool who? Men like those who think that a woman whose hair is covered is more modest than the woman whose hair isn't covered.

[*Mahzala*]

And what a hypocricy!!!you negate the existence of relation between Hijab and morality (which I appreciate greatly as a woman) but at the same time appreciate this??

"It makes a huge difference. A girl with a scarf and a scarfless girl makes a major difference in my eyes.

hate me if you want but a girl wearing a hijab I would never allow if a guy trys to make fun of her since I know her intention behind it."

While you could appreciate the above discourse for variety of reasons unknown to me but I would like to know the reason behind your appreciation of the particular mindset expressed in the above post.

The reason I appreciated Waziristan's post was for this:

So many of you have lost your culture. Just a little note that Pashtuns are 95percent Muslim. 95percent of our woman wear scarf and hijab. Don't introduce such western practices (walking scarfless) into our culture. The member who said this belong in fashion mustve lost her mind. You think women wear hijab cause it's fashion and attracts attention?

I don't think I need to clarify something before you consider to take back (though I highly doubt it) your degrading statements thrown at other members. Before you're quick to judge and assume I am hypocrite, I suggest you think twice before you let those low remarks loose. This is probably the the third exchange of posts between you and I, yet you've said a lot about yourself, than I would have had to learn in someone else's case. I am not one who lets my tongue act faster than my mind. Diplomacy, respect and patience should be of the few things we take on board in discussions and settings of such nature. I think I almost sound like a broken record, as time and time again, I am there, urging people not to be quick to judge and assume things about people we're communicating with, who are miles away from us, and base our image of them on miscommunication in posts. If this is your nature - to quickly judge people and imply rudeness in your address to them - than I expect you to know that holding a conversation with you is not only difficult, but it won't last very long either, as continuous expectations of clarificaions and repetition are not welcomed by many.

[eusuphxai]

If I go to a jungle I wont expect a lion not to eat me, I would make enough effort to go through jungle unharm. I being a man can tell you from personal experience that men by nature are lustful.I think it is a girl personal choice to wear it or not, but my personal opinion is a woman should wear it in intention of protectiting her dignity (might not be the right word but cant think of any other). I know some of you will say some men will find girls in Hijab hot, well my answer to them is there are sick people out there. there are peodophiles out there , does it mean we should stop having kids?

but at the same time i think it shouldnt be imposed. it has to be the lady's free will

[PFgulalai]

I don't think I need to clarify something before you consider to take back (though I highly doubt it) your degrading statements thrown at other members.

Mahzala, I would like you to point out to me when and where have I used any disparaging comments/remarks/statements.

Before you're quick to judge and assume I am hypocrite, I suggest you think twice before you let those low remarks loose. This is probably the the third exchange of posts between you and I, yet you've said a lot about yourself, than I would have had to learn in someone else's case. I am not one who lets my tongue act faster than my mind.

I found a huge disparity between what you said and what you did. I could stop pointing out that.And I am proud of the fact that I did it. You can prove me wrong, if you bother to.

Diplomacy, respect and patience should be of the few things we take on board in discussions and settings of such nature.

I agree with you absolutely. You did not bother to point it out the same things after reading Waziristan's post, but you did it on mine. I am not complaining, I am just reflecting.

I think I almost sound like a broken record, as time and time again, I am there, urging people not to be quick to judge and assume things about people we're communicating with, who are miles away from us, and base our image of them on miscommunication in posts.

While you preach not to do this, you have already 'assumed' a lot about me. (This is probably the the third exchange of posts between you and I, yet you've said a lot about yourself, than I would have had to learn in someone else's case. I am not one who lets my tongue act faster than my mind).

If this is your nature - to quickly judge people and imply rudeness in your address to them - than I expect you to know that holding a conversation with you is not only difficult, but it won't last very long either, as continuous expectations of clarificaions and repetition are not welcomed by many.

@Rudeness: If having a difference of opinion and the subsequent manifestation of that in one's discourse is what you term as rudeness, then there is no point in discussing anything.

If this is your nature - to quickly judge people and imply rudeness in your address to them -

Approximately, 99.9% people who has read this would think I am rude. Thanks Mahzala.

P.S. Even though you did not enjoy our dicussion, I have enjoyed it lot as I do in all other cases. I am looking forward to many more in the future. Cheers!

The reason I appreciated Waziristan's post was for this:



I don't think I need to clarify something before you consider to take back (though I highly doubt it) your degrading statements thrown at other members. Before you're quick to judge and assume I am hypocrite, I suggest you think twice before you let those low remarks loose. This is probably the the third exchange of posts between you and I, yet you've said a lot about yourself, than I would have had to learn in someone else's case. I am not one who lets my tongue act faster than my mind. Diplomacy, respect and patience should be of the few things we take on board in discussions and settings of such nature. I think I almost sound like a broken record, as time and time again, I am there, urging people not to be quick to judge and assume things about people we're communicating with, who are miles away from us, and base our image of them on miscommunication in posts. If this is your nature - to quickly judge people and imply rudeness in your address to them - than I expect you to know that holding a conversation with you is not only difficult, but it won't last very long either, as continuous expectations of clarificaions and repetition are not welcomed by many.

[Roshina]

@ Shlombay Jaan:

Okay. You seem like someone who's VERY easily discouraged, eh. Good thin you're not a female. In every thread, you seem to be a confused person who is very easily fooled and think that someone should clarify something for you because, clearly, the whole world is out to "mislead" you. C'mon - be stronger than this, wror gula.

A LOT -- and I mean a LOT -- of girls wear the hijab because it's a fashion statement. Get over it. It's the reality for *a lot* of girls/women. If someone wears the hijab because she says it's her choice, my saying that many girls wear the hijab because it's fashionable to do so today should not discourage her. Don't assume that everyone has as weak a faith as you seem to do, since you're clearly always easily being "misled" and are always looking for people to clear up stuff for you rather than doing some studying yourself.

[Roshina]

You are here telling me that Mesbah, Guley, Sabrina, Rihana, Jasmine, and all the ladies here wear the Hijab to show off and for fashion?

Hm... I don't remember naming anyone. I said *a lot of girls* wear the hijab because it's fashionable today. I didn't say who does this.

And if you read my initial post in this thread, it said something like: All hijabis wear the hijab for different reasons, including getting respect from others -- and now we add: belief that it's mandated by God, out of compulsion from family/society, and because it's fashionable.

There are many other reasons as well.

So, next time you conclude from my posts that I'm saying certain females here are wearing it for this reason, it means you lack the ability to comprehend a post that clearly isn't for you.