~ Hijabis.

[Roshina]

If they are not the minority, then they are the majority. This is how i read it.

Thanks for quoting it. Let me clarify.

1. Just because a group is not a minority doesn't make them a majority necessarily.

2. In context, that quote reads:

Further, what all do most hijabis cover? It's mostly the hair. Many wear skinny jeans with them, and their hijabs are not large enough to fall over their chest. Yet, these girls and women define modesty and hijab to be covering only the hair.

And, no, they're not a minority. Quite a large number of them wear the hijab this way.

The "they" in the last line refers to what all I said in the paragraph before it, not just to women who wear the hijab for fashion. Not all hijabi women who cover only their hair and not much more wear the hijab for fashion purposes.

[Roshina]

Probably a few woman wear it for fashion but give them a break. The majority wear it cause they want too.

Actually, Alokozai wrora ... not all women who wear it for fashion wear it out of compulsion (means to say, many, if not most, actually wear it by choice!) So the two statements of yours above are not in sync with each other.

[Roshina]

Jasmine Guley, again and again, I've never named anyone who wears it for fashion. "A lot" does not mean "everyone."

[eusuphxai]

dont know about other fashion but diverting from topic is a fashion here.

[JAMALUDEEN]

Qrratugai, thanks for the clarification. BTW, do you have any statistics to prove your argument? I mean, without any proper statistics, this discussion you continue to debate is going no where and we will all be going in circles. Just because you say "A large number of girls do this" doesn't mean they do it if you have no way of providing proof to back it up or have conducted a thorough research on the matter.

You do have some very good points though.

**Walks away from the discussion.**

[IamDZJ]

what proof do you guys have for wearing it for the reasons you say you wear it for? if her word is not good enough on it's own then neither is yours.
this is just her opinion. it can be whatever she wants it to be. learn to live with it people.

[Roshina]

Qrratugai, thanks for the clarification. BTW, do you have any statistics to prove your argument? I mean, without any proper statistics, this discussion you continue to debate is going no where and we will all be going in circles. Just because you say "A large number of girls do this" doesn't mean they do it if you have no way of providing proof to back it up or have conducted a thorough research on the matter.

You do have some very good points though.

I totally understand your unwillingness to accept the idea that all women who wear hijab wear it for different reasons, including for fashion, but, like DZJ said, I can ask you for evidence for your claim as well, right? (Or any claim that it's all just for modesty purposes.) The females here don't represent all Muslim females worldwide, and a group of even 50 girls saying they wear it for a certain purpose wouldn't be an indication of the majority or even most girls, right?

So, if you're asking me for statistical proof, I can request the same.

[PFgulalai]

Qrra, There is a lot of back and forth asynchronism going on,lol.
I endorse your argument in wholeness for the reason of rationalness.
I still think this thread should be in FASHION.
All the Hijab-wearing females whom I know in real life did it for attaining more social acceptance.
Hijab to me is unacceptable as Pashtuna. I still and would always prefer Saloo.
Empirical observation: Hijab-wearing females that I know in real life+moral acceptance = HYPROCRICY
PERIOD.

Oh they also thought they are the champions of morality.

So the two statements of yours above are not in sync with each other.

[Roshina]

Qrra, There is a lot of back and forth asynchronism going on,lol.
I endorse your argument in wholeness for the reason of rationalness.
I still think this thread should be in FASHION.
All the Hijab-wearing females whom I know in real life did it for attaining more social acceptance.
Hijab to me is unacceptable as Pashtuna. I still and would always prefer Saloo.
Empirical observation: Hijab-wearing females that I know in real life+moral acceptance = HYPROCRICY
PERIOD.

Gulalai Jaaney, the problem is . . . we'd rather go for what we WANNA hear rather than what people might have to say from their observations, which are facts for those who know it to be facts.

Not only that but also, because your opinion doens't resemble the opinion of the majority Muslims, it will get absolutely no respect, appreciation, or attention. Just speaking realistically. You might even be accused of being a Muslim-basher or hater or whatever. (No, I'm not implying anyone here is like that, if anyone thinks so.)

[PFgulalai]

Oh the dilemma!!

Not only that but also, because your opinion doens't resemble the opinion of the majority Muslims, it will get absolutely no respect, appreciation, or attention. Just speaking realistically. You might even be accused of being a Muslim-basher or hater or whatever. (No, I'm not implying anyone here is like that, if anyone thinks so.)

[PFgulalai]

Thanks Nazia for your insight.

Saying its a fashion symbol or a symbol of oppression is wrong. But saying that its necessary to look respectful is also wrong.

so let's assume it is wrong...now I am curious to know what is right?

I was raised in Americas largest city, so chances are I would know more when it comes to this specific topic especially the guys part.

I would like to know more about your thoughts especially the guys part.Please share with us!

[PFgulalai]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me, Nazia.
I agree...Mayana gave us this chance and I really appreciate her for this great effort.

Lets just say I can give you a few street addresses from where I live around and I dare any girl to walk with skinny jeans and get ready to hear the comments from guys. or insults.

Ooops!! I am scared to go there again,lol..
But I know the streets of Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa. I never wore skinny jeans or sleevless shirts. I wore 'Kameez/partoog' and 'lwee sadar'. I still got harrassed.

And Gulalai I am the type who will not assume if you do not wear a hijab you are a bad girl or anything.

Thanks Nazia for your kind words but I am a really bad and ugly person.
...and yes, I am XX.

In my opinion what is right is what you choose and the intention behind it. Is a Hijab a good in itself? Or is it good cause we think its good? Thank you my sister, Mayana is my Kandahary partner in crime.

The 2nd part:
coming from someone who has spent all her life in the the most diverse city in the world, attending high school here was the worst (without a hijab) everyday "psshh shorty, come over here" and I don't feel like sharing the rest. If you are a girl you would understand.

Lets just say I can give you a few street addresses from where I live around and I dare any girl to walk with skinny jeans and get ready to hear the comments from guys. or insults. Since the Hijab, I can proudly say no one does not bother me anymore. I mind my own business. They mind theres. I guess its cause they think I am "religious" so I will not probably "mess with them".


And Gulalai I am the type who will not assume if you do not wear a hijab you are a bad girl or anything.

[PFgulalai]

My nyaa is also from Kandahar and she is my partner in all crimes!

Thank you my sister, Mayana is my Kandahary partner in crime.

[PFgulalai]

Oh please woman. we all know you are gorgeous. stop it now.

Thanks@Gorgeous!

[PFgulalai]

Nothing special....I was talking about my 'Nyaa' (grandmother).
Manana Nazia! Glad to meet ya!

Im slow. I dont get it.

And Gulalai you are a great addition to the communitay!