Afghani and Pakistani Pashtuns

[khyaal]

Kabul and Knadahar are developing alahmdulilah, albiet on a faster pace.. we will, not to worry.

Mubarak de sa.

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Khudai di khula bakhtawar ka.

[Afghan_Soldier]

Khudai di khula bakhtawar ka.

Khayaal saeba,

We already have 24/7 electricity in Kabul (no loadshedding). Ooba mo hum khpley de aw breshna/electricity hum pa Pashutnkhwa ke nasta. We might as well stop the Abaseeen aw Kabul river water flow to Pakjabistan since there Pashtana are not the benefectors. Aw Kabul kho hasi hum yaakh de aw hawa ye hum taza da.

[khyaal]

Khayaal saeba,

We already have 24/7 electricity in Kabul (no loadshedding). Ooba mo hum khpley de aw breshna/electricity hum pa Pashutnkhwa ke nasta. We might as well stop the Abaseeen aw Kabul river water flow to Pakjabistan since there Pashtana are not the benefectors. Aw Kabul kho hasi hum yaakh de aw hawa ye hum taza da.

That's a great news.

[khyaal]

Afghan soldier.
you are new here so stay in your place.

you Afghans should be thanking us for giving you refuge.

Tajikistan refused you guys and I see why now.


I would hate to live under a Tajik regime.

Afghan displaced have never gone to Chichoki Malian or Pind Daadan khan. Keep this in mind.

[Afghan_Soldier]

Afghan soldier.
you are new here so stay in your place.

you Afghans should be thanking us for giving you refuge.

Tajikistan refused you guys and I see why now.


I would hate to live under a Tajik regime.

Very good. Ok thank you. LOL

[Afghan_Soldier]

oh and plz don't talk about Kabul.

it's a shame for us Pashtuns to take pride in Kabul it really is, knowing how much they hate Pashto and only speak Dari.

they even all you Afghans, Afghan e ghul.


so wrora, khpal da khulay sara jhey ihtiyat waka, nawey member ya.

Haha what do you know about Kabul, Pakistani?

I only learned Dari in the last few years. Many of the elders in my family cannot speak Dari. Where the hell do you get your information:?

Ihtyat, what do you mean? So what if I am a new member. Afghan e Ghool mean giagantic Afghan. One who doesn't listen to no one.Don't worry about those ones, we have always had treatment for them.

Kabul is Pashtun and run by Pashtuns. Schools are taught in Pashtu and so are universities. The president is Pashtun and so is more than half of his cabinet. The head of the police is Pashtuns and so are 60% of members of the parliamant from Kabul are Pashtuns. You should know that in some parts of Kabul there is nothing but only Pashtu being spoken.


Let me explicate it to you in a differnt way:



BagramiBagrami85,000 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [6]


Chahar AsyabQalai Naeem32,500 Pashtuns, Tajik and Hazara [7]

Deh SabzTarakhel47,900 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [8]

FarzaDehnawe Farza19,100 mixture of Pashtuns and Tajiks

GuldaraGuldara20,300 50% Pashtuns, 50% Tajiks [10]

IstalifIstalif29,800 mixture of Tajiks, Pashtuns and Hazara[11]

KabulKabul (capital)1,925,548[1] 45% Tajiks, 25% Hazara, 25% Pashtun, 2% Uzbek, 1% Balochi, 1% Turkmen, 1% others[12]
(This I would say is not accurate. Tajiks 45%, Pashtuns 35-40% and the rest.

KalakanKalakan26,900 90% Tajiks, 10% Pashtuns [13]

Khaki JabbarKhak-i Jabbar75,000 95% Pashtuns, 5% Tajiks [14]

Mir Bacha KotMir Bacha Kot46,300 90% Tajiks, 10% Pashtuns [15]

MussahiMussahi30,000 99% Pashtuns, 1% Tajiks [16]

PaghmanPaghman150,000 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [17]

QarabaghQara Bagh67,700 60% Tajiks, 40% Pashtuns [18]

ShakardaraShakar Dara72,900 Tajik Majority [19]

SurobiSurobi150,000 90% Pashtuns, and the rest are Pashais [20]

[khyaal]

Haha what do you know about Kabul, Pakistani?

I only learned Dari in the last few years. Many of the elders in my family cannot speak Dari. Where the hell do you get your information:?

Ihtyat, what do you mean? So what if I am a new member. Afghan e Ghool mean giagantic Afghan. One who doesn't listen to no one.Don't worry about those ones, we have always had treatment for them.

Kabul is Pashtun and run by Pashtuns. Schools are taught in Pashtu and so are universities. The president is Pashtun and so is more than half of his cabinet. The head of the police is Pashtuns and so are 60% of members of the parliamant from Kabul are Pashtuns. You should know that in some parts of Kabul there is nothing but only Pashtu being spoken.


Let me explicate it to you in a differnt way:



BagramiBagrami85,000 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [6]


Chahar AsyabQalai Naeem32,500 Pashtuns, Tajik and Hazara [7]

Deh SabzTarakhel47,900 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [8]

FarzaDehnawe Farza19,100 mixture of Pashtuns and Tajiks

GuldaraGuldara20,300 50% Pashtuns, 50% Tajiks [10]

IstalifIstalif29,800 mixture of Tajiks, Pashtuns and Hazara[11]

KabulKabul (capital)1,925,548[1] 45% Tajiks, 25% Hazara, 25% Pashtun, 2% Uzbek, 1% Balochi, 1% Turkmen, 1% others[12]
(This I would say is not accurate. Tajiks 45%, Pashtuns 35-40% and the rest.

KalakanKalakan26,900 90% Tajiks, 10% Pashtuns [13]

Khaki JabbarKhak-i Jabbar75,000 95% Pashtuns, 5% Tajiks [14]

Mir Bacha KotMir Bacha Kot46,300 90% Tajiks, 10% Pashtuns [15]

MussahiMussahi30,000 99% Pashtuns, 1% Tajiks [16]

PaghmanPaghman150,000 70% Pashtuns, 30% Tajiks [17]

QarabaghQara Bagh67,700 60% Tajiks, 40% Pashtuns [18]

ShakardaraShakar Dara72,900 Tajik Majority [19]

SurobiSurobi150,000 90% Pashtuns, and the rest are Pashais [20]

Afghansoldier! don't bother to present any statistics to him. He is just a brainwashed moron. He won't learn anything. He is a poor mediocre soul.

[Talal]

Afghan displaced have never gone to Chichoki Malian or Pind Daadan khan. Keep this in mind.

4% of our brothers from Afghanistan are in Punjab, 3% in Sindh, 20% in Balochistan and 80 % in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

I can understand Pakistanis sentiments and i can to an extent Afghan sentiment too. For us Pakistanis its a matter of how we have shared everything we possible could with our brothers from Afghanistan and how still the same people bad-mouth Pakistan and speak of its balkanisation. The Afghan sentiment is that they aren't treated right, well to an extent thats true but Pakistan isnt going through good times either our economy is suffering and with such a huge population its hard to cater to everybody's needs. But after all the mayhem that was caused in Pakistan by insurgents from Pakistan, all the terrorists that the Afghans are allowing India to support against Pakistan, after all these bombs and innocent deaths there is still no resentment among pakistanis for Afghans while in Afghanistan i have literally seen people who were cheering when a bomb went off in Lahore... and here is the kicker Afghans blame the same people who are fighting for this country as the culprits, they call it a drama when a soldier dies ? These kind of sentiments are definitely infuriating

And if you really want to compare our hospitality look at the detention centres that Iran has for Afghans and you'll know who Pakistanis really are.

[khyaal]

4% of our brothers from Afghanistan are in Punjab, 3% in Sindh, 20% in Balochistan and 80 % in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

I can understand Pakistanis sentiments and i can to an extent Afghan sentiment too. For us Pakistanis its a matter of how we have shared everything we possible could with our brothers from Afghanistan and how still the same people bad-mouth Pakistan and speak of its balkanisation. The Afghan sentiment is that they aren't treated right, well to an extent thats true but Pakistan isnt going through good times either our economy is suffering and with such a huge population its hard to cater to everybody's needs. But after all the mayhem that was caused in Pakistan by insurgents from Pakistan, all the terrorists that the Afghans are allowing India to support against Pakistan, after all these bombs and innocent deaths there is still no resentment among pakistanis for Afghans while in Afghanistan i have literally seen people who were cheering when a bomb went off in Lahore... and here is the kicker Afghans blame the same people who are fighting for this country as the culprits, they call it a drama when a soldier dies ? These kind of sentiments are definitely infuriating

And if you really want to compare our hospitality look at the detention centres that Iran has for Afghans and you'll know who Pakistanis really are.

But Pakistan has a de facto control over Pashtun land and we don't recognise it to be a legitimate part of Pakistan. We know well the history of their fake referendum and the deprivation of the then legislative assemmbly from the third option by the British. So historically it is land of Afghans.

Kashmir has never remained a part of Pakistan even for a single day and still Pakistan asserts its right over it. But Pashtun land in Pakistan is an inherent part of Afghanistan seized by the British so how could we refuse them to stay here.

We always condemn the West for many problems but ignore those which benefited us, like Pakistan knowingly well that the land was not part of India but still opted to control it instead of returning it to its legitimate owners.

[khyaal]

Pakistan's slogans Muslim Ummaha and muslim brotherhood is just a ploy of for exploitation and extortion, we believe.

[Talal]

But Pakistan has a de facto control over Pashtun land and we don't recognise it to be a legitimate part of Pakistan. We know well the history of their fake referendum and the deprivation of the then legislative assemmbly from the third option by the British. So historically it is land of Afghans.

Kashmir has never remained a part of Pakistan even for a single day and still Pakistan asserts its right over it. But Pashtun land in Pakistan is an inherent part of Afghanistan seized by the British so how could we refuse them to stay here.

We always condemn the West for many problems but ignore those which benefited us, like Pakistan knowingly well that the land was not part of India but still opted to control it instead of returning it to its legitimate owners.

Again prove it that pashtuns dont recognize it, i dont give a crap if you recognize it or not. The pashtuns of Pakistans recognize it, and they do so in the name of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Afghanistan has no right and nor will it ever have any right on this land, as i mentioned before we are brothers but these are the boundaries and you will do well to remember that.

Returning to what legitimate owners ? those who haven't been able to run a country coherently for over a 100 years now. Pakistan was NOTHING when it came into being, 9 factories run down military equipment, dead bodies and raped women coming in from India..and look where we are today. what possible protection could you give to pashtuns ? maybe invite the iranians too ? You couldnt take care of your own people and you have the audacity to claim that what we fought and bled for ? get real

[khyaal]

Again prove it that pashtuns dont recognize it, i dont give a crap if you recognize it or not. The pashtuns of Pakistans recognize it, and they do so in the name of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Afghanistan has no right and nor will it ever have any right on this land, as i mentioned before we are brothers but these are the boundaries and you will do well to remember that.

The proof is simple. Give pakhtunkhwa under the UN control where there will be complete freedom of expression and then we see how you win any election here. Under Pakistani control people have witnessed Ayub's fake elections, Zia's and Musharraf's fake referendums. This will be the same under the present setup.

Returning to what legitimate owners ? those who haven't been able to run a country coherently for over a 100 years now.

During that period it was the overwhelming Punjab army which would fight for the British to extend their empire. British with their disproportionate military strength got control even over 400 million population of you people while afghans bravely fought against them and till the last time kept their sovereignty though it lost some of its territories to the British. But agains these were you people who helped them attacked a muslim country.

Pakistan was NOTHING when it came into being, 9 factories run down military equipment, dead bodies and raped women coming in from India..and look where we are today. what possible protection could you give to pashtuns ? maybe invite the iranians too ? You couldnt take care of your own people and you have the audacity to claim that what we fought and bled for ? get real

But Pakistan instantly joined the Western Capitalist block while India and Afghanistan became members of NAM, while they could join the Soviet Block but they didnt' do so. Thus what you consider as the struggle of Pakistanis, we consider it a blessing and charity from the West.

[Talal]

The proof is simple. Give pakhtunkhwa under the UN control where there will be complete freedom of expression and then we see how you win any election here. Under Pakistani control people have witnessed Ayub's fake elections, Zia's and Musharraf's fake referendums. This will be the same under the present setup.

What kind of stupid idea is that ? I asked for proof in terms of a movement ! UN doesnt just randomly walk into Pakistan. And oh yeah GoP would be more than willing to do that, but how about you do the same to Afghanistan and we'll compare the number of people that would like to ditch it and join Pakistan, fair enough ?

During that period it was the overwhelming Punjab army which would fight for the British to extend their empire. British with their disproportionate military strength got control even over 400 million population of you people while afghans bravely fought against them and till the last time kept their sovereignty though it lost some of its territories to the British. But agains these were you people who helped them attacked a muslim country.

your honestly arguing with me with that kinda back up..Here's a flashback, get schooled

One of the 4 co-signatories of the pamphlet "Now or Never" calling for an independent Pakistan, 3 were ethnic Pashtuns from the Khyber Agency.

One of the senior-most leaders in the Pakistan Movement, Abdur Rab Nishtar was a Pashtun of the Kakar tribe. He was a close confident of Muhammad ali Jinnah along with Liaqat Ali Khan and was a frequent critic of the Congress establishment in the NWFP led by Bacha Khan

But Pakistan instantly joined the Western Capitalist block while India and Afghanistan became members of NAM, while they could join the Soviet Block but they didnt' do so. Thus what you consider as the struggle of Pakistanis, we consider it a blessing and charity from the West.

yeah i hope you learned from that Mistake, because India and Russia did realise it. Then again if you had Afghanistan wouldnt be under invasion today, we live we learn right ?.

[Talal]

Anyways i have exams so i'll trash your propaganda sometime later. Back your arguments up with "sources" that means a neutral piece of information that can vouch for your argument, stop pulling stuff out of your behind

[Afghan_Soldier]

Bad deeds outweigh the good deeds. Paksitan while giving us refuge not only the grounds of neighbour/islam or whatever was rather more so on the grounds of its own national security. And within that same distorted paradigm destroyed us for half a centry and as well now Pashtunkhwa is also burning. Pakistan has effectively held back the Pashtun nation for a century or more. We have lost everything because of Pakistan. We love the people they are good people, but the state itself is a trully cancer.