Afghani and Pakistani Pashtuns

[BLS_1919v2.0]

But Pashtuns nationalists never really work for our unification. Look at the ISI its all Pashtun.

Who told you ISI is all Pashtun? That is not possible. If there are a lot of Pashtuns in it, then obv they need the locals to co opt the population. However, ISI has never been exclusively Pashtun. Is that possible that the largest and strongest institution in Pakistan is in the hands of a minority...and on top of that is behind the destruction of many pashtuns east and west of the durand line? Is that even a cogent idea?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

You are hiding from the truth.

ISI has had many Pashtuns head hanchos. In fact I believe even the head of ISI at one point was a PASHTUN.

Not to mention the Army of Pakistan is about 30-40 percent Pashtun. So as you can see, a minority is quite a high ratio.

No actually one head of ISI being Pashtun does not mean an entire apparatus is. BTW the army is not 30-40 % pashtun, it is 13.5-14.5 %. These are official figures put foward by ISPR (a part of the pakistan army).

Your example is like saying ok taliban in afghanistan in the 90s was 100 % pashtun, but did it work in the interests of Pashtuns or GHQ?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Punjab’s dominance in army being reduced: ISPR



By Sher Baz Khan


ISLAMABAD, Sept 13: A planned effort is being made to revise the composition of the Pakistan Army by reducing the dominance of Punjab to a considerable level over a period of four years.

In 2001, the Punjabis constituted over 71 per cent of the army. The numerical strength was reduced in later years and has been brought down to just over 57 per cent this year. A further three per cent decrease in recruitment from that province is on the cards by 2011.

The information is part of a booklet titled ‘Information Brief’, published by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) Directorate, the official mouthpiece of the Army, released to counter the growing criticism at home and abroad over the composition of the military and the riches it has accumulated over the years, turning it into the country’s biggest corporate giant.

The booklet has also countered the figures indicating the size of the land being controlled by the army mentioned in Ayesha Siddiqa’s book, ‘Military Inc’.

Within a decade (2001-2011), the composition of Pakhtuns in the army would increase by one per cent to 14.5 per cent.

A two per cent increase will be made in the number of Sindhis bringing their total strength to 17 per cent by 2011.

The representation of Balochis, which was nil in 2001, constitutes 3.2 per cent at present. Their composition would be increased to 4 per cent by 2011.

Similarly, with their zero per cent presence in the army seven years ago, the people from Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas now constitute 9.11 per cent of the army. However, their number would be curtailed to 9 per cent in 2011.

By 2011, it will be ensured that at least one person from the minorities is among hundred personnel of the armed forces. At present they constitute just 0.72 per cent while seven years ago, their presence was just 0.29 per cent in the army.

CORPORATE ACTIVITIES: The booklet has claimed that a total of 833,268 acres was allotted to the armed forces since independence and not over 2.30 million acres as put by Ayesha Siddiqa in her book.

According to the ISPR, the current asset base of Fauji Foundation is over Rs125 billion.

It has provided details of the numerical strength of Bahria and Shaheen foundations and their activities and projects.

The Army Welfare Trust (AWT), with its present worth of Rs108 billion, employs over 11,000 people included retired military personnel and next of kin of Shuhada and those wounded in wars. The trust has 30 big and small projects in the country, including Askari Cement Factory, Nizampur, Army Welfare Sugar Mills, and Badin and Khoski Farm near Badin.

The Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), a segment of army engineers and national construction, employs 12,000 personnel and implemented construction projects of Rs141billion. These include the ongoing 66 projects at an estimated cost of Rs90 billion.

The National Logistic Corporation (NLC), one the leading public sector transportation and construction organisations in the world, has employed 97 army officers, 27 retired army officers and 2,634 junior commissioned officers with a turnover close to Rs6 billion last year.

The ISPR says that a ‘few’ serving officers are also employed in the administration of Defence Housing Authority (DHA), which is expecting Rs150 billion direct investment in its ongoing and planned projects. The authority runs 19 schools and nine colleges. It pays Rs6.5 billion tax to the government every year.

FARMS: According to the ISPR, there are nine military farms with a total area of 25,159 acres. Military farms in Okara and Rensala consist of two dairy factories, seven military farms and 22 villages. The total land involved is 20,156 acres. The booklet has also lauded the development activities of armed forces and its different organisations in Balochistan, Sindh and the federally administered tribal areas (Fata).

http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/14/top13.htm

[Nokia_Apridy]

Za Sta kabul yem teh zama da zargi wran pekhawar,
Azghan taroona mo pamenz key kom wakdar okaral..
pekhawar au kabul Dwara dwa yaaran di,
Laka Dwa stargey pa yau makh da janan di,,,


nur ba bya walkam

Awa Fenumana da pa yu arkha TAliba yam da bal arkha Cumunist

[karachipashtun]

Za Sta kabul yem teh zama da zargi wran pekhawar,
Azghan taroona mo pamenz key kom wakdar okaral..
pekhawar au kabul Dwara dwa yaaran di,
Laka Dwa stargey pa yau makh da janan di,,,


nur ba bya walkam

Awa Fenumana da pa yu arkha TAliba yam da bal arkha Cumunist

Dagha post sta nazar dey.

pa pekhawar ki da afghanan sar der bad wazyat(disrespect) kezhey.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Dagha post sta nazar dey.

pa pekhawar ki da afghanan sar der bad wazyat(disrespect) kezhey.

sta khbray ta chay sok oyaye darogh di nu kapir shu

Dasey chay ta lag haga da da Abudreh duranline shpa rayada kra

ao da Nadir khan hakumat rayad kray dar PUKHTANA

BA NAKAH Najayaz Zagay (payda) daly di...

Za dalta ka Sta Darnkh kwam ba ta da nuru Parwa walay kway

Hakumat da Punjabi di ...Federal

[khyaal]

Punjab’s dominance in army being reduced: ISPR



By Sher Baz Khan


ISLAMABAD, Sept 13: A planned effort is being made to revise the composition of the Pakistan Army by reducing the dominance of Punjab to a considerable level over a period of four years.

In 2001, the Punjabis constituted over 71 per cent of the army. The numerical strength was reduced in later years and has been brought down to just over 57 per cent this year. A further three per cent decrease in recruitment from that province is on the cards by 2011.

The information is part of a booklet titled ‘Information Brief’, published by the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) Directorate, the official mouthpiece of the Army, released to counter the growing criticism at home and abroad over the composition of the military and the riches it has accumulated over the years, turning it into the country’s biggest corporate giant.

The booklet has also countered the figures indicating the size of the land being controlled by the army mentioned in Ayesha Siddiqa’s book, ‘Military Inc’.

Within a decade (2001-2011), the composition of Pakhtuns in the army would increase by one per cent to 14.5 per cent.

A two per cent increase will be made in the number of Sindhis bringing their total strength to 17 per cent by 2011.

The representation of Balochis, which was nil in 2001, constitutes 3.2 per cent at present. Their composition would be increased to 4 per cent by 2011.

Similarly, with their zero per cent presence in the army seven years ago, the people from Azad Kashmir and Northern Areas now constitute 9.11 per cent of the army. However, their number would be curtailed to 9 per cent in 2011.

By 2011, it will be ensured that at least one person from the minorities is among hundred personnel of the armed forces. At present they constitute just 0.72 per cent while seven years ago, their presence was just 0.29 per cent in the army.

CORPORATE ACTIVITIES: The booklet has claimed that a total of 833,268 acres was allotted to the armed forces since independence and not over 2.30 million acres as put by Ayesha Siddiqa in her book.

According to the ISPR, the current asset base of Fauji Foundation is over Rs125 billion.

It has provided details of the numerical strength of Bahria and Shaheen foundations and their activities and projects.

The Army Welfare Trust (AWT), with its present worth of Rs108 billion, employs over 11,000 people included retired military personnel and next of kin of Shuhada and those wounded in wars. The trust has 30 big and small projects in the country, including Askari Cement Factory, Nizampur, Army Welfare Sugar Mills, and Badin and Khoski Farm near Badin.

The Frontier Works Organisation (FWO), a segment of army engineers and national construction, employs 12,000 personnel and implemented construction projects of Rs141billion. These include the ongoing 66 projects at an estimated cost of Rs90 billion.

The National Logistic Corporation (NLC), one the leading public sector transportation and construction organisations in the world, has employed 97 army officers, 27 retired army officers and 2,634 junior commissioned officers with a turnover close to Rs6 billion last year.

The ISPR says that a ‘few’ serving officers are also employed in the administration of Defence Housing Authority (DHA), which is expecting Rs150 billion direct investment in its ongoing and planned projects. The authority runs 19 schools and nine colleges. It pays Rs6.5 billion tax to the government every year.

FARMS: According to the ISPR, there are nine military farms with a total area of 25,159 acres. Military farms in Okara and Rensala consist of two dairy factories, seven military farms and 22 villages. The total land involved is 20,156 acres. The booklet has also lauded the development activities of armed forces and its different organisations in Balochistan, Sindh and the federally administered tribal areas (Fata).



http://www.dawn.com/2007/09/14/top13.htm

But don't believe these figures released by the ISPR since no one can have access to Army's database to verify their claims. Pakistanis/Punjabi are expert in deceiving people through fake figures.

According to their economic statistical figures Balochistan is the richest province of the countries while the ground reality is quite the contrary, it is the poorest province.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

But don't believe these figures released by the ISPR since no one can have access to Army's database to verify their claims. Pakistanis/Punjabi are expert in deceiving people through fake figures.

According to their economic statistical figures Balochistan is the richest province of the countries while the ground reality is quite the contrary, it is the poorest province.

Khyaal saiba I understand...kho this is the ISPR figures and they are only going to about 14.5 %...so imagine what the real figures are. I assume much lower (not counting the paramilitary units like FC). The point I posted it was that Pashtuns, contrary to propaganda, are not 30-40 % of the army or ISI. Not even near that. I feel though there is a gross misunderstanding between the reality of Pashtuns in the state apparatus (there are some and in a sense more than balochis), but it is not as people like to see it.

[Master Khan]

Pakistanis need to wake up and learn about their culture.

Pashtun culture has nothing to do with Allama Iqbal Mohamad Ali Johar and Quad e Azam.

Tell me about.
I have looked at my cousins school and there is nothing on Pashtun culture and history.
ESS Pakey nisty, bas siraf pakistan history.

[khyaal]

Pakistanis need to wake up and learn about their culture.

Pashtun culture has nothing to do with Allama Iqbal Mohamad Ali Johar and Quad e Azam.

Unfortunately Pakistan doesn't have any culture, any history whatsoever. Its an amalgam of nations forcefully combined by the British to create a client state for themselves.

[Dinosaur Khan]

^Do india have a history, culture according to you? India was also created by British, an amalgam of nations, is'nt it?

[Dinosaur Khan]

lpakistan does have history mohen ja daro and indus civilization

The indus and gandhara civilizations which originated in present day pakistan, were far advanced than tribal nomadic afghanistan of that time, a fact on which we should not feel shame to admit.

[khyaal]

The indus and gandhara civilizations which originated in present day pakistan, were far advanced than tribal nomadic afghanistan of that time, a fact on which we should not feel shame to admit.

for your information the centers of Gandhara were the areas along the Kabul river like Peshawar, Takhtbai, Swat and Charsadda with Taxila (for a very brief period). Apart from Taxila the rest of the land belongs to Pashtun/afghans and not to any Punjabi.

[Dinosaur Khan]

^I dont think that pashtuns/afghans were living in gandhara, pashtun migration to present day khyber-pakhtunkhwa is very recent.

[khyaal]

^I dont think that pashtuns/afghans were living in gandhara, pashtun migration to present day khyber-pakhtunkhwa is very recent.

This shows your complete lack of knowledge about Pashtun history. The only immigration was that of Yousafzais (Aspzai) and that too from Swat and Kunar, who fought against another Pashtun tribe Dalazak and took control of their land in the Peshawar valley. The rest were there from prehistoric times.