Pakhtana marrying a Kafir :p

[stephanie]

My pashtun friend, she would never marry outside Islam or pashtun, so this story is completely fabricated lmao

[ScimitarXEdge]

You know full well that it's not your place to tell other people, whom they should or should not marry and you are merely being spiteful.

Actually based on Evolutionary Psychology and the principles of the Anthropological Organization of Human Societies I not only have what we commonly identify as the right to tell others, it is my duty and obligation to and even intervene aggressively if reason and deliberation has shown that these individuals have become psychologically corrupted t o a degree that cannot make the correct decisions. Given that the culture and heritage I come from bases itself on community/group as well as individual cohesion; such choices are adverse to our fabric.

Obviously you'd try to oppose such a thing; you're a degenerate infidel, you're well aware of the fact that the exploitation and manipulation of women is central in undermining the Islamic society, so naturally you wouldn't want anything to curtail that; but see You sir being an nfidel who's not from my culture or even anything remotely related to my culture have no place commenting on anything relating to my society; so if anyone should not it's not their place to intervene, it's you.

Keep your harlotry for your christo-european culture that's what you're known for and that's really all your society has to offer.

[MohannaD]

But its okay for Arab Muslims to keep Jewish,Christian,Pagan, Black women in large numbers around their Harems?

First of all , why are you bringing another topic into this ?? I gave an answer to his question. If you don't like what I've written then don't discuss with me , you can discuss with me personal opinions but not rules from Islam 'cause I didn't put them .


Muslim men can marry from Muslims or Ahl Alkitab , i.e. Jewish and Christians .

Black women ??? is black a religion ??

[Haqmal]

then why did you just answer it!


Problem with people like you is, backwardness has plagued your mind, your an obstacle towards free thinking and progression, your the kind of guy that gets very upset when others do good unless it satisfys your deluded view of life and people.

Faith should not be an issue, if muslim men are allowed to marry non muslim women, then why not vice versa? We no longer live in the arabian empire anymore.

If a muslim man beats his wife, smokes chars and takes naswar, but a non muslim man doesnt, then whats the difference?

Stop being a spokesman for arab imperialism.

To have a successful society, a progressive one and a modern one, you need to accept a few things such as free thinking and stop this emotional blackmail through faith, if you want to live in a bedion society, then please visit somalia, its nice at this time of year, and i am sure women are free to vote and have no fear of walking half a mile outside their houses.

آمیر! څه لږد اخلاقو اصول په پام کښي ونیسه، فکر کوم چی تا د خبرو کولو او ځواب ویلو هیڅ تمیز نه دی زده کړی. سپیڅلی پښتانه ستا غوندی د بی ادبه اوبی ټولنی خلکو خبری نه اوري او ستا غوندي بی دینه خلکو سره په دلایلو او ځواب ویلو خپل سره نه ګروی.

[AFG21]

When you say lots can you give numbers?

I know personaly 5 exmaples. And for me is that a lot becuase I don't really know that much peopel in Europe.

But why are you against it. Aren't you half pashtun and half arab or something? You are such a hypocrite. And don't come to me, ow my other half is muslim and **** that is bul**** in pashtun society marrieng outsider is a taboo it doesn't matter if he is muslim or not, the only thing that matters for this peopel is that he must be a pashtun.

[IamDZJ]

pashtanas don't get married to self proclaimed "kafir"s let alone a non pashtun.
I hope you realize that your actions could possibly earn her a good beating up if not a beheading for the both of you. Specially if she lives in Pakistan and you don't. Why would a man who loves someone so much as to go across the globe to get married to someone he has never met in his life woul want to risk her well being? What is this relationship based on?? Suppose you get married, then what??

[IamDZJ]

hey take a box of sweets with you when you go there.. They would stuff it in your nostrils once they are done beating the crap out if you.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I know personaly 5 exmaples. And for me is that a lot becuase I don't really know that much peopel in Europe.

But why are you against it. Aren't you half pashtun and half arab or something? You are such a hypocrite. And don't come to me, ow my other half is muslim and **** that is bul**** in pashtun society marrieng outsider is a taboo it doesn't matter if he is muslim or not, the only thing that matters for this peopel is that he must be a pashtun.

Yes I am half Pashtun, but my dad is Pashtun and my mom is Yemen.

hypocrites? It's that attitude which Farangiyan use to brainwash you, take advantage of you and manipulate you into allowing them exploit your women.

Evolutionary Anthropology shows us that in human species males of a group are the active progenitor of lineagues; where as females provide the reproductive opportunity; so allowing Farangyan to mate with your women is allowing them access to reproductive opportunities and eliminating your own.

And Yes it matters that my parents were both Muslim; Close Identity of groups and cultures is an anthropological foundation of Intermarriages. An Arab has more in common with Pashtuns than a German Farangay. And yes even the Islamic Factor plays a role; because a Kafir Pashtun can't say he's a Kafir in the open he has to hide it and pretend to be Muslim or else he'd have his head chopped off by Tribesmen, which shows the Islamic factor predominates. You and I both know this.

Even Najib-e-Ghaw had to pretend he was a Muslim

This is all base Logical Understanding of the Environmental relationship between Genders, male role and female role are complimentary and distinct. So it's not hypocrisy, just not being gullible enough to become a fool

Learn some stuff about Evolution and Anthropology , and you'll see why such a thing should be opposed.

[AFG21]

Yes I am half Pashtun, but my dad is Pashtun and my mom is Yemen.

hypocrites? It's that attitude which Farangiyan use to brainwash you, take advantage of you and manipulate you into allowing them exploit your women.

Evolutionary Anthropology shows us that in human species males of a group are the active progenitor of lineagues; where as females provide the reproductive opportunity; so allowing Farangyan to mate with your women is allowing them access to reproductive opportunities and eliminating your own.

And Yes it matters that my parents were both Muslim; Close Identity of groups and cultures is an anthropological foundation of Intermarriages. An Arab has more in common with Pashtuns than a German Farangay. And yes even the Islamic Factor plays a role; because a Kafir Pashtun can't say he's a Kafir in the open he has to hide it and pretend to be Muslim or else he'd have his head chopped off by Tribesmen, which shows the Islamic factor predominates. You and I both know this.

Even Najib-e-Ghaw had to pretend he was a Muslim

This is all base Logical Understanding of the Environmental relationship between Genders, male role and female role are complimentary and distinct. So it's not hypocrisy, just not being gullible enough to become a fool

Learn some stuff about Evolution and Anthropology , and you'll see why such a thing should be opposed.

Bla bla just becuase you learnd some fancy words you think to diss me. I don't know in which universe you leave but the first words and language that you learn is from your mother not your father, you get your culture trou your mothers becuase she is almost 24 hours a day whith you. And I bet you do not even speak any word pashtu, you are alien to our culture and cutome and you call me brainwashed, you are the only brainwashed person in this forum. If you knew some Pashtun culture then you would know that for pashtuns marrieng an outsider even if he is a muslim a big tabo. And it rarely happend in the old days, that now days some marry foreigners are just because those peopel spent many years in the West that they forget what pashtuns back home think about such things.

And what kind of noncese you are talking about how can you believe in evolution when you want a sharia law en you say you are a muslim. Meyben you are just what you self said a pretender a fake muslim, but in real life you are a big kafir. That is not really suprisingly if you have arab DNA in you.

Only if you were raised in a pashtun society and had an non-pashtun mother you would have learnd our culture, but I bet you never have been to Afghanistan.

And arabs have nothing in common whit us the only similarity is that we are bothe muslims and that's it. I don't knwo how you father actualy married your mother, was she rich or somthing?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Bla bla just becuase you learnd some fancy words you think to diss me. I don't know in which universe you leave but the first words and language that you learn is from your mother not your father, you get your culture trou your mothers becuase she is almost 24 hours a day whith you. And I bet you do not even speak any word pashtu, you are alien to our culture and cutome and you call me brainwashed, you are the only brainwashed person in this forum. If you knew some Pashtun culture then you would know that for pashtuns marrieng an outsider even if he is a muslim a big tabo. And it rarely happend in the old days, that now days some marry foreigners are just because those peopel spent many years in the West that they forget what pashtuns back home think about such things.

And what kind of noncese you are talking about how can you believe in evolution when you want a sharia law en you say you are a muslim. Meyben you are just what you self said a pretender a fake muslim, but in real life you are a big kafir. That is not really suprisingly if you have arab DNA in you. Because evereone know arabs are the bigest jahil en hypocrite peopel on this planet.
Only if you were raised in a pashtun society and had an non-pashtun mother you would have learnd our culture, but I bet you never have been to Afghanistan.

And arabs have nothing in common whit us the only similarity is that we are bothe muslims and that's it. Arabs have big noses like jews, they have no humanity no culture they are soulles peopel, i don't knwo how you father actualy married your mother, was she rich or somthing?

Arabs have plenty of similarity; name something in Pashtun culture and you'll find the same thing in Arab culture. Even the word Ghairat and Namous, the most important parts of Pashtuns are Arabic words.

Your claim is not true, many Pashtuns have been raised abroad and they still are familiar with Pashtun culture. In fact I know more about Pashtun customs, practices and culture than even you might.

For example I know that to be Pashtun it comes from plarani khwah, where as you're trying to say someone is Pashtun by morani khwah. this is clearly contradiction of Pashtun farhang. That is why tribes are identified by Paternal Lineage.

The father establishes lineage, mother nurtures the children in his lineage for five years and then the father grooms them for adulthood. He finishes what he started and mother's influence is intermediary. This is universal structure of patriarchal societies. Thereby the father provides culture as culture establishes mores of behavior for adulthood, the mother provides an introduction.

Pashtuns married with outsiders but under selective acceptance. You know of Sad'at-e-Kunarh? They are originally an Arab family descended from Nabi Muhmmad(saw)from Syria and Iraq who settled in Kunarh. Sayyid Jamaluddin Al-Afghani was from this family. Ghilzai are also mixed with Ghorian and Turks. The key factor here is that they were Muslims and that they assimilated into Pashtun society. They were culturally and socially parallel.
and what about Mujadiddi and Gailani? Gailani are from Iraq and Iran and Mujadidi originate from India. In marrying a woman marrying German in Germany, the opposite happens. This is because there is lack of congruence with a German, where as Muslims intrinsically have congruence. If it rarely happened, even if they were Muslim, how come I can find so many examples of it happening? It only proves you lack awareness of your own culture.

If you want to see a Jahil hypocrite. look in the mirror Who told you that believing in evolution contradicts Islam? You talk so much about progress ad evolution; but you're ignorant of Islam's heritage. Don't let German Farangyan brainwash you. If you were educated you'd know that in History of Muslims; numerous Muslim Scientists knew about Evolution before Darwin. Even Jalaluddin Rumi had a poem which describes evolution. They were never deemed infidels; because they understood the Qur'an much more deeply. It is only modern Saudi Funded doctrines and Deobandis who have tried to silence that Evolution is compatible with Islam, because the verses about Adam and Eve were not seen as literal. These same groups were fostered by British farangayan, so your comprehension of Islam is something the Farangyan have brainwashed you with. You're really no different than the Taliban, just the opposite version. Both of you are uneducated and blind.

And you talk about being Pashtun and Pashtuns sees marriage with other Muslims as taboo; even though we can find thousands of examples. yet you're willing to m*rdag*w Pashtun women to farangyan and accept it;; all because being so gullible that you allowed the Farangay deceive you into thinking that such practices are signs of progress. Talk about jahil and hypocrite. If you were educated you'd see that the claim is logically absurd.

[MohannaD]

And what kind of noncese you are talking about how can you believe in evolution when you want a sharia law en you say you are a muslim. Meyben you are just what you self said a pretender a fake muslim, but in real life you are a big kafir. That is not really suprisingly if you have arab DNA in you. Because evereone know arabs are the bigest jahil en hypocrite peopel on this planet.
Only if you were raised in a pashtun society and had an non-pashtun mother you would have learnd our culture, but I bet you never have been to Afghanistan.

And arabs have nothing in common whit us the only similarity is that we are bothe muslims and that's it. Arabs have big noses like jews, they have no humanity no culture they are soulles peopel, i don't knwo how you father actualy married your mother, was she rich or somthing?

Kindly mind your language . And please read about the history of Arabs before you write such stuff .

We are all Muslims and we should not say such stuff . You should never involve people you don't know when you're discussing or arguing with someone .

Put yourself in my shoes .

[asad71]

1.Islamic law and Pashtun custom is quite clear on the subject. You got to accept the Message of Islam formally and sincerely. If you are not circumcised you got to get that done.

2. If you really love the girl you would no doubt like to know about Islam. And if you do, you will find this is not a religion in the sense where religion requires idol/image worship and other complicated rituals. You will learn we do not have a clergy. Islam is a continuous revolution of peace, love, brotherhood, tolerance, equality, social harmony and economic justice. The Message of Islam, when understood, will surely attract you.

[Afghanistan2010]

If you would give me the adresse...of you or this family...maybe some guys looking like NINJAs will meet you dont run away , get into the black chevrolet and stay clam and please turn off your phone.

you will have what you got.

It is in islam forbidden to marry a disbeliever and a Adulter like you , if she marries you , you will be lucky that you are not in Afghanistan , i would have suggested or predicted your and her future as stoning from a crowd in afghanistan.

[AFG21]

Listen, I didn't say that majority is Oke whit marrieng an outsider or in this case a german kafir. I only said that majority of pashtun will never marry an outsider even if he/she is an muslim, I said from the perspectief of my culture. You say there are tousand and call this tribes from Iraq and Iran, but those peopel came honderds of years ago in to Afghanistan. And still the majority of pashtuns will think twice before they marry them.

Yes the kwah comes from the fathers side, and if the mother is a foreigner and the children are raised in Afghnistan they will get the pashtun culture. But if the children are raised in foreign country they will not. I for example also know some pashtuns that married tajik women and there children couldn't speak a word of pashtu but could write and read in Dari like they have finished univercitys or something. Not everething goes like how it is writen in the books.

Mother nursers them till 5 years and then father grooms them??? I don't know what kind of fairy tails your father was telling to you. But till the edge of 10-11 girls and boy are spending the majority of time whith there mother and even after that mother plays a big role in upbringing even choosing the bride fro her soon is done by the mother the father can only agrees whith her becuase he can't not see the girl. I know this because I lived till my 10th year in Afghnaistan in a villgae in Khost. After my tenth year my father said to me that when there are visitors I am not allowed to sit whith my mother anymore, I must sit next whith him whith the men, and also other things what I could and what I could not do. Like for girls they looked more strictly if they were wearing a head scarf and also they were not allowed to go outside alone anymore. But still I learned the basic language from my mother and the rest of pashtu language boys learn in schools or madrasas and not that your father is sitting 24 hours whith you and learning you everything. Culture you learn from everyone, everyone have an influence on you. if you like it or not that is how it is in the real world.

That is how pashtun culture is, BIATCH

My islamic school teacher told me that evolution condradicts, the mullah in my neighberhoud mosque told me that evolution is not mentioned in Islam, actualy everey strict Islamic person that I know off, don't beleave in Evolution. You are actualy the only brainwashed so called muslim that is beleaving in this theorie. But you are a hypocrite leaving in the West in a kafir society but still barking for sharia.

Where are you thousand examples, the only examples of pashtun marrieng a non-pashtun in big numbers, were the pashtuns who married a tajik or uzbek, but thats only becuase they are our own country peopel. But if that pashtun do something wrong peopel alway say stuff like. What you excpect from him he married a foreigner, the majority of pashtun still calls tajiks foreigners and you say we accept other muslims like it's total normal, I don't think so. Also there was an pashtun women who married a turkish guy he is a muslim, but her family says if we see her we will kill her.

So that is how Pashtun culture is. And stop telling lies. You are not fooling anyone here but only your self. But becuase you are kind of dum. I will summurise this to you.

I said that I don't mind if a pashtun women or men marry an foreigner be it an kafir or a muslim.

But from what I know from pashtun culture marrieng an foreigner for bothe men and women is not acceptabel even if he or she is a muslim. That is not my point of vieuw that is how my culture is.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Listen, I didn't say that majority is Oke whit marrieng an outsider or in this case a german kafir. I only said that majority of pashtun will never marry an outsider even if he/she is an muslim, I said from the perspectief of my culture. You say there are tousand and call this tribes from Iraq and Iran, but those peopel came honderds of years ago in to Afghanistan. And still the majority of pashtuns will think twice before they marry them.

And I pointed out this is not often true; I gave numerous examples, many of the Prominent families in Afghanistan are originally not Afghan, but were accepted because their notoriety i regards to Islam. Gailanis, MUjadiddis, Sayyids.


Also even Ghilzais have a Turkish origin, from Khaladj Turks.which is where the word Ghilzai may have originated from. I'm a Ghilzai and other Pashtuns marry us all the time.

Majority of Pashtuns think twice before marrying them? Gailanis are some of the most prominent families in Afghanistan, if people thought twice about marrying, they wouldn't have become such a major or powerful family.

yes the kwah comes from the fathers side, and if the mother is a foreigner and the children are raised in Afghnistan they will get the pashtun culture. But if the children are raised in foreign country they will not. I for example also know some pashtuns that married tajik women and there children couldn't speak a word of pashtu but could write and read in Dari like they have finished univercitys or something. Not everething goes like how it is writen in the books.

Not necessarily; the reason Pashtuns marrying Tajik women only speak Dari, is because in Afghanistan the Government used to emphasize and encourage Dari and made the language of administration, commerce and academics Dari. They became this way because the father disregarded his culture. Not because the mother played the more dominant role.

Mother nursers them till 5 years and then father grooms them??? I don't know what kind of fairy tails your father was telling to you. But till the edge of 10-11 girls and boy are spending the majority of time whith there mother and even after that mother plays a big role in upbringing even choosing the bride fro her soon is done by the mother the father can only agrees whith her becuase he can't not see the girl.

This is how it is in patriarchal societies; if you're saying that you stayed latched to your mom until you're 10 , you must have been underdeveloped and a bit khezlak/zancho. I never said that the girls and boys have no influence from their mother as they get older; I am saying primary influence in respects to how the person's characters and ideals develops from the father, this is the solidification of ideas and concepts.

Culture you learn from everyone, everyone have an influence on you. if you like it or not that is how it is in the real world.

Obviously; but we're talking about primary influence.

That is how pashtun culture is, BIATCH

No that's how zancho culture is; you were clearly raised like a sissy, you must have been weak baby s they were gentler with you.

My islamic school teacher told me that evolution condradicts, the mullah in my neighberhoud mosque told me that evolution is not mentioned in Islam,.

The Islamic school teachers in Modern Afghanistan have been brainwashed by Deobandism from India thanks to the Taliban. Don't trust those people, they're uneducated and ignorant. Most of them can't even understand the Qur'an. I can prove this is the case because in Ancient Times, before Afghanistan existed, there was a Muslim Kingdom in Ghazni ,they once had big science and learning centers, where people studied Islam and Knowledge of Science and Earth, they were powerful. Now under these idiot Deobandis people in Afghanistan were weak. These people know nothing. The Ghanznichi people had Shari'ah and Science, are you saying these people were hypocrites too?

Your conclusions are based on your ignorance; nothing more.

Where are you thousand examples, the only examples of pashtun marrieng a non-pashtun in big numbers, were the pashtuns who married a tajik or uzbek, but thats only becuase they are our own country peopel

Yeah but they BECAME apart of our country, our country is only 120 years old. What about before that? There was no Afghanistan when Gailanis and Sayyids came. There was no Afghanistan during Durrani Empire. They intermarried because they put Islam more important.

the majority of pashtun still calls tajiks foreigners and you say we accept other muslims like it's total normal, I don't think so. Also there was an pashtun women who married a turkish guy he is a muslim, but her family says if we see her we will kill her.

and I'm sure you'd get the same reaction if she married a Pashtun who openly said he's a Kafir or Atheist. If a woman married Pashtun who denies he is Muslim they would equally be killed, nevermind just the woman. There are Pashtuns who'll kill their daughters just for marrying someone from a nearby village, even if it's the same tribe, even if they're Pashtun. This isn't just how patriarchal culture works; men will not tolerate something that violates the regulation of reproductve opportunities of women he's guardian over. That's why I said that marriages in Pashtun culture are based on Regulated Transference, not merely who is Pashtun and who is not.

So that is how Pashtun culture is. And stop telling lies. You are not fooling anyone here but only your self. But becuase you are kind of dum. I will summurise this to you.

If you want an example of dumb, then someone who thinks he proves what Pashtun culture is by telling personal stories which may or may not be true is an example of stupidity at it's worst.
Nothing you say proves anything because you're the kind of person who makes up his own Personal stories which cannot be verified as a proof; show me proofs Educated people rely on proofs not stories.

But you are a hypocrite leaving in the West in a kafir society but still barking for sharia.

What does where I live have to do with Shari'ah ? At least I want the real Shari'ah and not asinine Taliban Shari'ah which is completely wrong, your understanding of Islam and Shari'ah is from uneducated people True Shari'ah is awesome; Where I live only reflects my circumstances; not my beliefs; Even Nabi(saw) migrated to Yathrib which was ruled by Jews at one time. Eventually he overthrew them.

I said that I don't mind if a pashtun women or men marry an foreigner be it an kafir or a muslim.

Yes you're a mordag*w; makes sense, you were raised like a sissy.

But from what I know from pashtun culture marrieng an foreigner for bothe men and women is not acceptabel even if he or she is a muslim. That is not my point of vieuw that is how my culture is.

You're wrong otherwise there would be no Ghilzai tribe, I am Hotak from Ghilzai and we were Muslims, Pashto was created when we became apart of the society. We were originally Nomads

please get an education, you're beswad

Story of the Pakhtuns :: Khyber.ORG

During the process of dispersion, they also assimilated neighbouring tribes into the clan structure of the Pakhtoon society, such as the Turkish Khalaj tribe to whom the Ghilzais are affiliated, the Tarkalani tribe of the Khakhi tribal union, and the Tajik-Iranian Baraki (also known as Ormari) tribe of Logar from which the Afridis, the Orakzais, Mangals, Khataks and Khugianis are understood to have descended.