Marrying a Hazara

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Graeco Bactrians don't exist anymore because as Randolph said, for various historical reasons they faded into obscurity. They simply couldn't maintain their society for whatever reason. Some attribute it to the Parthian rising and expunging Graeco Bactrians, some say it is simply because Graeco Bactrians simply lost their original fortitude.

I think you're confusing the issue of cultural infusion with cultural hegemony. Yes Modern Iran is infused with Arab influences; but Modern Afghans are infused with Persian influences. Nawroz is a perfect example, and please let's not peddle some nonsense that Nawroz is really an Afghan celebration because we call it "Naway Kal". it is Persian and we merely infused it into our own culture.

The difference between infusing cultures and cultural imperialism can be seen in South America

absolutely very little if any aspect of South American cultures from Spanish culture exists, even their traditional holidays are spainardized.
This isn't true for us, we have Eid and Naway Kal and many other unique features.

[star123]

Afghanistan and Iran was one entity at a time. Therefore it is incorrect to state nowroz is Iranian exclusively. It is equally Afghan, and also equally other(greater) iranian peoples.

[graveyardofempires]

Iranians who I've spoken to seemingly want Afghanistan to be part of a Greater Iran.

iranians who you have spoken to are gay
and this map looks cool,the sunnis will crush the filthy shias.

[star123]

^ why are Shia filthy?

[graveyardofempires]

Afghanistan and Iran was one entity at a time. Therefore it is incorrect to state nowroz is Iranian exclusively. It is equally Afghan, and also equally other(greater) iranian peoples.

Afghanistan has never been part of iran so quit the non sense.

Iran was ruled by Afghans couple of times and when Alexy conquered persia the coward persians ran to Afghanistan fro protection.

and they are still cowards.
‪Funny iranian mullah shares his concern about the Afghan takeover of iran(English subtitles)‬‏ - YouTube

[Leonine]

Graeco Bactrians don't exist anymore because as Randolph said, for various historical reasons they faded into obscurity. They simply couldn't maintain their society for whatever reason. Some attribute it to the Parthian rising and expunging Graeco Bactrians, some say it is simply because Graeco Bactrians simply lost their original fortitude.

I think you're confusing the issue of cultural infusion with cultural hegemony. Yes Modern Iran is infused with Arab influences; but Modern Afghans are infused with Persian influences. Nawroz is a perfect example, and please let's not peddle some nonsense that Nawroz is really an Afghan celebration because we call it "Naway Kal". it is Persian and we merely infused it into our own culture.

The difference between infusing cultures and cultural imperialism can be seen in South America

absolutely very little if any aspect of South American cultures from Spanish culture exists, even their traditional holidays are spainardized.
This isn't true for us, we have Eid and Naway Kal and many other unique features.

I hope you understand that my statements are not speculations and theories, they are facts. Therefore, I don't intend argument. You should stick to your speculations regarding metaphysics and evolution and leave this field to the likes of us. Nawroz was originally a Zoroastrian holiday and Zoroaster was from Bactria (Afghanistan).

[Nick]

the other day i was talking to my very good pashtun friend and the discussion turned towards marraige. I told him that i wouldn't mind marrying anyone as long as she is muslim then to my surprise he told me that i cant marry a pashtun girl and he said that i will be killed if i married one.

now i am kind of scared but is this true? Why do pashtuns look down upon us hazaras.

I have tons of Hazara friend, beautiful girls and their boys are good and manhood, they don't look down upon Hazaras however there is two main reasons for conflict in your marriage.


a) historical conflict
b) Religous conflict

Historical conflict: Through out time they have been used and abused by outsiders Persia, British, Pakistan, China/Russia during 1960s-1985, and by Iran 1985-1995 and now by USA.


Historically Hazara-Pashtun disunity goes back years I am sorry to say this unless people are more educated this hate will remain and currently since defeat of Safivad Hazaras are not so lucky until this day.
For Pashtuns they remember

i) Mongolian invasion, killed dozen of tribes of Suri, Bangesh, as well as Kakar and many of whom either escape to Eastern borders or hide in Ghuristan, Balkh and Herat etc for hundreds of years. they remain isolated from main cities under mongolian rule.

ii) Timurid era Hazara a bulky high class soldiers and generals stationed in Ghuristan many Pashtun remember this as the mongols advanced into Pashtun hideouts and pushed them furthern into Pakistan and India and many lives and cities were distroyed where as Iran was build, although his grandsons worked harder to improve the image of the empire created by their grand father.

iii) Current era There are around 6 million Hazaras world wide although all over the place they were once all inside Afghanistan, their first migration was to Iran in 1830s second to India (Pakistan) was simply supported by British and armed against Afghans, later used by moists and Shia Iran, today majority of them although are the most highest ruling class as with the Americans are still active.

These were some of the reasons from historical and political point of view. However from Hanafi point of view an Hanafi man can marry a Shia or 12 imamis however a girl cannot be given to Shia and therefore you must convert to Hanafi. Tome man just forget Shia and sunni just fallow Quran and forget about Iran BS being thought to you by your religous imam. Forget imams all together and you should be fine.

[Nick]

Afghanistan has never been part of iran so quit the non sense.

Iran was ruled by Afghans couple of times and when Alexy conquered persia the coward persians ran to Afghanistan fro protection.

and they are still cowards.
‪Funny iranian mullah shares his concern about the Afghan takeover of iran(English subtitles)‬‏ - YouTube

LOL you have a funny video. LOL Doesn't this Muallah have any shame for sitting there and makes lies to his people. I feel sorry for Hazaras but if they are trianed and kick 20 Iranians good for them. LOL Hazara brothers as we consider them to be close to Iran lol are bunched from botn sides. Come on Hazara brothers show them what you got.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Afghanistan and Iran was one entity at a time. Therefore it is incorrect to state nowroz is Iranian exclusively. It is equally Afghan, and also equally other(greater) iranian peoples.

Afghanistan and Iran was one entity, but that's because Persians included Afghanistan as apart of their empire. It wasn't really belonging to Afghans, but Persians.

Nawroz originated with Persians, but yes now Iranian peoples in general celebrate it.

[Nick]

Nawroz originated with Persians???

Afghanistan and Iran was one entity, but that's because Persians included Afghanistan as apart of their empire. It wasn't really belonging to Afghans, but Persians.

Nawroz originated with Persians, but yes now Iranian peoples in general celebrate it.

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