Marriage to non-Pashtuns

[parsiwaan]

This is what happens when you live in L.A, you lose your culture and don't know how it feels to follow traditions and rituals. Do you know how good it feels when people are singing " A sta boro!" and its your wedding?

Ok budy.. you are getting ridiculous... you can not judge me for simple reason that you don't know me... moreover i do not live in la..im just visiting la for work related... i live in VA. I value tradition and culture but the fact is that culture changes...do you even know that "Asta boro" is actually less then 70 years old...before there was no songs in wedding. white dress and asta bro is copy of European culture Amianllakh khan brought to Kabul...and in most of Afghanistan they do not fallow this culture.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

I do not hate or love being called pashton... i honestly don't care...all I care is that I’m Afghan... tribes or ethnic is useless for me.. i have seen enough in 28 years of my life to base my opinion that for common people of Afghanistan ethnic is bs.

parsiwaan, you show ignorance on many levels. Is this ignorance the reason why Pashtuns (the real Afghans) have problems with you Tajikistanis in their country?

Here's a bit of schooling that might improve you. Modern states, especially those outside Europe, came into being during the colonial era. Unlike their European counterparts, most Asian and African countries could not become nation-states - that is states that are made up of one predominant ethnic group. For example, in the horn of Africa, many Somalis live outside Somalia in neighboring Ethiopia and Djibouti. Similarly, Congo, Uganda, Angola, etc are artificial states where different nationalities are made to live together and are expected to salute their 'national' flag and die for it. Needless to say, the result is chaos. Similarly, it just so happens that there are many nationalities within the lines drawn on the maps that say 'Afghanistan' and 'Pakistan'. They're both not nation-states and are therefore, conjured up countries like those of Africa. Such states are fragile and their identities are artificial and weak. Ethnic allegiance trumps a common religion or "state identity". As a national of the state of Afghanistan, you should already know this.

For a state to be successful, it is imperative that it is a nation-state like Germany, England, France, Russia, Sweden - a state where one culture dominates all others. Imagine a Bosnian saying in 1900 that he's a part of the Austria-Hungarian empire and he will gladly give his life for his flag. It's ridiculous.

Therefore, when you call yourself an 'Afghan' despite not being a Pashtun (an ethnic Afghan), all you're saying is that you're nothing.

[Feroza_Banu]

so Mr. parsiwaan...if u refuse to associate urself with being a pashtoon then what r u ?

a tajik? u r not that either since that is an ethnic group .. and talking farsi/dari doesn't make u tajik... u have to be born tajik

r u hazara? they are from mangolia so u can't be that either...

r u uzbek? u can't be that either

r u pashayee? nop i don't think u can call urself that

then it looks like u are someone who is no one...

that is really sad u know...

i mean it's ok if u don't speak pashto u r still pashtun... but once u deny ur own race u can't fit any where else either... caz u r just not any other race.

[parsiwaan]

parsiwaan, you show ignorance on many levels. Is this ignorance the reason why Pashtuns (the real Afghans) have problems with you Tajikistanis in their country?

Here's a bit of schooling that might improve you. Modern states, especially those outside Europe, came into being during the colonial era. Unlike their European counterparts, most Asian and African countries could not become nation-states - that is states that are made up of one predominant ethnic group. For example, in the horn of Africa, many Somalis live outside Somalia in neighboring Ethiopia and Djibouti. Similarly, Congo, Uganda, Angola, etc are artificial states where different nationalities are made to live together and are expected to salute their 'national' flag and die for it. Needless to say, the result is chaos. Similarly, it just so happens that there are many nationalities within the lines drawn on the maps that say 'Afghanistan' and 'Pakistan'. They're both not nation-states and are therefore, conjured up countries like those of Africa. Such states are fragile and their identities are artificial and weak. Ethnic allegiance trumps a common religion or "state identity". As a national of the state of Afghanistan, you should already know this.

For a state to be successful, it is imperative that it is a nation-state like Germany, England, France, Russia, Sweden - a state where one culture dominates all others. Imagine a Bosnian saying in 1900 that he's a part of the Austria-Hungarian empire and he will gladly give his life for his flag. It's ridiculous.

Therefore, when you call yourself an 'Afghan' despite not being a Pashtun (an ethnic Afghan), all you're saying is that you're nothing.

If want to discuss something then calling one "ignorant" is not a good way to start... now if you want to start a dog fight then sorry im not interested in useless internet fight. Your definition of nation state is bs in tribal country like Afghanistan...the same is true for Arabs...almost all of they are national state..but the tribal royalty over powers the national royalty. or better read about inter-Pashton fighting of contemporary afghan history.(I suggest you read how a Durrani side with Ranjit sing against Yousufzia and was made governor of Peshawar by Rajnit sing in return to his loyalty.) Moreover you have a nonsense ethnic-centric view of word afghan…which interestingly has nothing to do with Pashtons to began with… the word Afghan is actually Sanskrit, the word ashva (Iranian aspa, Prakrit assa) means "horse", and ashvaka (Prakrit assaka) means "horseman",[24] "horse people",[25] "land of horses",[26] as well as "horse breeders".[27] Pre-Christian times knew the people of the Hindukush region as Ashvakas (horsemen), since they raised a fine breed of horses and had a reputation for providing expert cavalrymen. Muslim historican Ibn Battuta visiting Kabul in 1333 AD writes:
We traveled on to Kabul, formerly a vast town, the site of which is now occupied by village inhabited by a tribe of Persians called Afghans. They hold mountains and defiles and possess considerable strength, and are mostly highwaymen.”

Thus as you see the word Afghan was refered to a “Persians tribes” in 1333 AD…


Now as for as being nothing.. i know who i am... i know who is my 7 forefathers...so you can s.... let me say that if we both say our last name... there will be more afghans that recongized me then you... i grantee it.

[parsiwaan]

Parsiwaan,

Welcome to our family here, But I think you have a lot to learn from the community here. You are wrong about many things so far, but that is fine since there is room for improvement right?

Number one:
If your dad is a Pashtun, You are a Pashtun. If you feel like you are not a Pashtun you are cheating and lying to yourself. As simple as that.

Just a suggestion... if you do not agree with someone then try to refute him...other then simply calling him or her "wrong."

[parsiwaan]

so Mr. parsiwaan...if u refuse to associate urself with being a pashtoon then what r u ?

a tajik? u r not that either since that is an ethnic group .. and talking farsi/dari doesn't make u tajik... u have to be born tajik

r u hazara? they are from mangolia so u can't be that either...

r u uzbek? u can't be that either

r u pashayee? nop i don't think u can call urself that

then it looks like u are someone who is no one...

that is really sad u know...

i mean it's ok if u don't speak pashto u r still pashtun... but once u deny ur own race u can't fit any where else either... caz u r just not any other race.

Pashton is not a race...but a cultural/lingual group... you can find Indian look pashton to blond pashton....so if i don't pseak pashto or practice pashton culture then I’m not a pashton...no matter if my grandfather was Pashton. Moreover im not a Tajik, no Hazara, NO Uzbak no Nurstani but simply an Afghan! Ethnic is so useless for me... i do not give a rat about ethnic.

[Admin Khan]

Hi Parsiwaan, welcome to our community. Enjoy your stay.

If you do not mind, I just have a quick question. All I wanted to ask was are you trying to say that an "Afghan" is ONLY someone who is a citizen of Afghanistan?

What do you think of the term "ethnic Afghan"?

[Feroza_Banu]

Pashton is not a race...but a cultural/lingual group... you can find Indian look pashton to blond pashton....so if i don't pseak pashto or practice pashton culture then I’m not a pashton...no matter if my grandfather was Pashton. Moreover im not a Tajik, no Hazara, NO Uzbak no Nurstani but simply an Afghan! Ethnic is so useless for me... i do not give a rat about ethnic.

so u say u r afghan because u belong to afghanistan... ? right?

but afghanistan consists of different people.. pashtoon, hazara, uzbek, tajik, nuristani, pashayee, sikhs (from india)... which one r u ?

u have to have some roots ... what is ur root?

[Michin Khel]

Your are generalizing a whole people based on your experience of few... come here to LA and see Pashtan girls going out with pakis, HIndus, and even black... take a look at this girl Raihana Niazi-Killens she is a lawyer and married to a Black guy. The fact is some girls in here might pretend..some might say the reality...you can not force girls like you could back home... if a girl wants to be bad..then she will be..you can not lock her...same is true for good girls.

True but dont judge pashtuns on the basis of those who live in West.

[Michin Khel]

Most afghans look down on pakistan...even those from peshware are consider culture-less...maybe that is the cause...specially after what pakistan did to afghanistan... I know a afghan guy who wanted to marry a ****...his family was so against it that they disowned the guy...throw him out...and did not even went to his wedding. People in afghanstian really hate p**** specially after strategic depth.

You want to say that Pashtuns of Afghanistan look down upon Pakistani Pashtuns because of what Pakistan did to Afghanistan? the hate is so intense that they even do not consider People of Pakhtunkhwa of a status to marry them?
My brother are you not generalizing? how can i believe you as you do not represent Pashtuns?

[Pukhtoon007]

THat is the styertype... do you know in Shinwaar they exchange their wife with donkey? Im not making it up... u can research... there is even a joke that a Shiwari guy dies and his two son were dividing his belonging... their mom and a dog was left... the older brother ask him if he wants the dog or mother... the younger guy replied "Adee ba sekoo... spag gharaam che ghapee."

boi watch your mouth....dnt forget it was the shinwaris that had a problem with queen surays clothing style....let alone them selling there mom. srsli be careful wat u say from now on. and too me u will never be pukhtoon. ur a lost half caste with tajik tendencies because u have alot of negative things to say about Afghans (pukhtoons) but nothing about the afghanistanis. and theres alot of differences between afghans n afghanistanis. the culture the language and the mindset.

[Iqra]

True but dont judge pashtuns on the basis of those who live in West.

Thats a HUGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE generalization on his part ...and it does not mean the whole west is filled with such girls ... just girls in some parts of the west or whatever who unfortunately have fallen off the path... May Allah tala guide us InshaAllah.

[afghan]

parsiwan brother should be left alone, he is missguided like some of our bothers in pashtunkhwah who considered themselves pakistani, he doesnot consider himself a pashtun , but an afghan. if he knows what afghan stand for?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I would encourage Pashtun men to have more than 1 wife, its good for us because then our population will increase more, and more males to fight against our enemies.

Just kidding. Women shouldnt be used in such a way

[Shayesta]

Your are generalizing a whole people based on your experience of few... come here to LA and see Pashtan girls going out with pakis, Hindus, and even black.

And am I wrong if I say those Pukhtoons have spent time in Kabul? Only Pukhtoons in West who 'lost their ways' are those Pukhtoons who either got Tajik mothers, or either are raised in Kabul and therefore speak Dari as their first language. Just like how you don't consider yourself Pukhtoon, same wise they didn't consider themselves Pukhtoons either. I have been to USA and every Pukhtoon because of whom I got embarrassed didn't speak one word of Pukhto and nor called himself a Pukhtoon, thank God. So if speaking a language decides your ethnic then those whom you are talking ain't Pukhtoons either, fair enough?

Most afghans look down on pakistan...even those from peshware are consider culture-less...maybe that is the cause...specially after what pakistan did to afghanistan.

Trust me that they aren't being looked down upon as much as your culture-full Iranian brothers are. Yes, Afghan families rather not let their children marry Pakistanis but not because they are Pakistanis, but because they are non-Afghans. Stop spreading lies, will ya? This ain't any Tajiki or Khorasani forum will people will start believing ya.

i was raised in Persian culture--Kabul... and honestly i have more in common with those that speak Persian then those that speak pashto.

And just while before you said only difference between Tajiks and Pukhtoons is their language, so how come Persian culture in this regard isn't same as Pukhtoon culture? I am seriously confused...........

do you know in Shinwaar they exchange their wife with donkey? Im not making it up... u can research..

Now that's a lie I could expect from any typical Parsiwaan! Kandaharis are being called gay while today it's Northerners who buy little boys or either abduct them so they can perform 'bacha bazi' for older men, while Kandaharis have been fighting for Pukhtoons' rights for centuries. Shinwaris are known as very patriotic Pukhtoons and they are possibly only Pukhtoons in politics who will reply in Pukhto if Dari is being spoken to them. The point I am making here is that it's very typical of majority Kabulis to make fun of other people while they have got no idea what type of sh*t is being said behind their backs! Respected Pukhtoons are usually being brought down by barbaric and comic Parsiwanan, who contributed nothing to Afghanistan themselves and then dare to make fun of others! Just like how they make fun of Laghmanis, though they are were dying for a Laghmani called Ahmad Zahir. Just like how they make fun of Kandaharis, though it was a Kandahari who freed them from Iranian claw. Even I can tell you hundreds of jokes made of Tajiks but I had rather not stoop to their level.

Honor? u mean selling their daughter or treating their female like position?

Take a look at your Mazar first where mothers force their daughters to go into prostitution, while Pukhtanas in South are dying out of hunger as they don't a man in their household, but yet won't break their self-respect by forcing their daughters into prostitution! And not to mention little boys being sold for bacha bazi!

All i said was racially Pashton are tajik are same.

So in other words; Pukhtoon is Tajik and Tajik is Pukhtoon? Then what did Jasmine say wrong?

I told u I do not consider myself pashton...for simple reason that we do not speak pashto...moreover my parents are highly educated we were urbanized Afghan aristocracy during kings time...so we are not typical type.

So if tomorrow only language your kids speak will be English, then what you gonna call your kids? Americans?