Define a Pakhtana...

[*Mahzala*]

wrora.. walaka pa po sawai yam... leg nor ham koshish woka che saaf saaf wolikai... ka wogai ye warsa dodai wokhora... tikai walai khorai pa khabaro lolll...tol saaf saaf wolika.

I always end up laughing at the reactions towards Nokia's Pakhto. Yours, classic. Let me help you out, hope I am right about it. Let's just say, if you understand the gist of it, you're lucky.

NAYA ,MOOR ,KHOOR ,LOOR ,KHAZA ,WRANDAR ,KHAKAHAY,KHOR,

Nya, mor, khor, lur, kheza, worandaar, khwakhe, khor
Grandmother, mother, sister, daughter, wife, sister in law, mother in law, sister

Chay Sanga TAkay (WORD) wi da KHazay....

Che tsanga tekay wi de kheze
Whatever word you use for a woman

Deo ta Pura Haq Warkwalay shey....Awo da dey Khpal Haq Upjana da

Dui ta pura haq warkawelay shey, au de dui khpel haq upejani
They have full rights and they should recognise them (?)

DEFINE PUKHTANA ...........da Zma pa Khyal
Define Pukhtana, da zema pe khyal (in my opinion)

[Nokia_Apridy]

Mesb Khoooooooooooooooooor Mannnnnnnnnnnnnnna

Chaonay Ba Sabala darkam mannnnnnna da tarjumay da para....

oh rekhtya Zma YU kar wo ?.......sa da wakro

GB ka wos hem na POHGAY kna ....

NU TEPRO Perney (custrd) wakhura.... toking

[Gulbabo]

I always end up laughing at the reactions towards Nokia's Pakhto. Yours, classic. Let me help you out, hope I am right about it. Let's just say, if you understand the gist of it, you're lucky.

NAYA ,MOOR ,KHOOR ,LOOR ,KHAZA ,WRANDAR ,KHAKAHAY,KHOR,

Nya, mor, khor, lur, kheza, worandaar, khwakhe, khor
Grandmother, mother, sister, daughter, wife, sister in law, mother in law, sister

Chay Sanga TAkay (WORD) wi da KHazay....

Che tsanga tekay wi de kheze
Whatever word you use for a woman

Deo ta Pura Haq Warkwalay shey....Awo da dey Khpal Haq Upjana da

Dui ta pura haq warkawelay shey, au de dui khpel haq upejani
They have full rights and they should recognise them (?)

DEFINE PUKHTANA ...........da Zma pa Khyal
Define Pukhtana, da zema pe khyal (in my opinion)

hahaha, thanks for trying. i understand each sentence separately but i don't get it when i am combining them ... and i thought my pashto is decent...

i read his post around 6 times... no luck

[*Mahzala*]

hahaha, thanks for trying. i understand each sentence separately but i don't get it when i am combining them ... and i thought my pashto is decent...

i read his post around 6 times... no luck

It's just the transliteration, don't worry, you're not alone.

[Nokia_Apridy]

GB ta kho wos awa 1 Onay (week) washwa

Nokia dalta kall washo Cha hem Onpejandalam .........Tolo ta Praday yam..

awo mata Tol khpal

[graveyardofempires]

Nokia te sama weey Pukhtana = khor,mor,tror,nya,loer,kheza.
da nor asey pekey ekhpel na qeesey jorayee,ma kho ham yaw comment warko kho.........

[Shayesta]

Gulbabo, loy she grane. Loy she.

[Nokia_Apridy]

Shast Khoray noor ba ya Akhkar kegey....da 6 futa na Ugda shwa JUNGA pejnay ?

[*Mahzala*]

What do you define torture to be, opression and abuse to be? you are saying my definition is very wide. but if you think a little deeper, not treating women equally to men, is the base of all torture and abuse. if someone thinks lesser of you, you can't expect them to behave with you, or to respect your rights, as he would if was dealing with someone who he thought as equal to himself. my definition is not wider, its universal. unless a man and a woman attain the same position in a society, and in front of law, torture and abuse are bound to happen.

My definition of torture surely isn't an unequal status alongside a male. Although words have linguistic definitions, I like give more weight to the definition derived from a life experience and for that reason our definitions will undoubtedly be different which are either very sensitive, like a glass house which shatters with pebbles, or, lack of a better word, heavy duty, like a glass house which doesn't fall apart with bricks.

I bring this up because you are not there to judge those cases one by one. their cases are only judged by their own father, husband, or brother... and very emotional ones. You and I think each case needs to be dealth with individually, people back home dont! its either black or white. u are either a model woman or a bad one. "cry me a river if u are being abused by ur husband, that is ur husbands house and u cant leave that house, its against our ghairat".. this is wht pashtoon women face. I have seen this with my own eyes. a woman walks into her father's house hoping he will save her from her abusive husband, who has beat the crap out of her and blood is gushing through her nose and mouth, and all she hears is "sorry, u have to go back, i will talk to him about it and hopefully he won't do this again, but u can't stay here, what will the people say"... "hopefully"?????...

There are little differences of opinion you and I have to settle as the gist of your post is only a bitter reminder of the treatment women experience, not only a Pakhtana if you ask me, and I can sympathise with you on a lot of the points because, as a woman, I too aspire such stations for our women, including you and I, however, I am coming to think that the latter part of my first post was misunderstood by you, thus this (your) response.

When you asked if I would label women such women in the same light or how I would 'label', I responded by saying, no each case has to be dealt with and understood differently before, as you put it, labeling them. Judging a situation is never the answer, as judgments are more than often unfair ones which yield biased decisions and baseless conclusions. Like I said, context is vital to understanding the deeper concern in any situation, be it a woman who is being tortured, be it mine or your differences in opinion.

Back to the topic folks.

[ScimitarXEdge]

To be fair to Gulbabo, has some valid concerns; but to claim that unequal treatment equates into torture is melodramatic and logically absurd

There are many examples of unequal treatment which can't possibly be construed as torture. If you give your son a steak and your daughter chicken, she's hardly being tortured. One is conflating an issue of degree to equality. Something of severe issues such as swara or domestic abuse cannot equate to issues of equality generally speaking.

[Toramana]

To be fair to Gulbabo, has some valid concerns; but to claim that unequal treatment equates into torture is melodramatic and logically absurd

There are many examples of unequal treatment which can't possibly be construed as torture. If you give your son a steak and your daughter chicken, she's hardly being tortured. One is conflating an issue of degree to equality. Something of severe issues such as swara or domestic abuse cannot equate to issues of equality generally speaking.

Are you kind of male-chauvinist or what? I see an utter apathy in your attitude towards women ... a little humanism, please.

[Michin Khel]

Act Pukhto

Wear Pukhto

Bahave Pukhto

Listen Pukhto

Lectures pukhto to her children and family


AND

Never Never Compromise on Pukhto

All the above attributes should be there in a true Pukhtana.

auo yawa kha Musalamana chi hum wi.......................

That is best definition. But this characteristics cant be present in pakhtana of west as they are not part of pashtun society.

[Michin Khel]

obedience? obedient to who? to her father... when she is being forced to marry someone to settle his badla??

patience? patience to what? domestic abuse? torture?

caring? caring to who? to a torturing husband?

it isn't very easy to throw these words around?

someone standing up for her right infront of her husband, father, brother would be disobedient?

someone who decides to break away from daily torture and domestic abuse would be labelled as less patient and enduring?

i would like to know your views more about these two words 'obedient' and 'patient'

As i already said , doing pakhto is difficult in west. So gulabo or what ever is your name...leave this backward and brutal pashtuniyat to us , the pashtuns of homeland. And you go on enjoying the westren liberties. We dont classify you as pashtun and you should not stick with backward and barbarian pashtun nation.

[Gulbabo]

As i already said , doing pakhto is difficult in west. So gulabo or what ever is your name...leave this backward and brutal pashtuniyat to us , the pashtuns of homeland. And you go on enjoying the westren liberties. We dont classify you as pashtun and you should not stick with backward and barbarian pashtun nation.

your response shows that u are not competent enough for me to have a healthy discussion/debate with you, so writing to u would be complete waste of time. but thanks for making the post... i find it useful to decide which members to avoid.

[Michin Khel]

your response shows that u are not competent enough for me to have a healthy discussion/debate with you, so writing to u would be complete waste of time. but thanks for making the post... i find it useful to decide which members to avoid.

Ofcourse queen gulabo, you should not argue with a jahil pashtun like me who physically and mentally torture his wife on daily basis, has given all of his daughters to swarra and is thinking of killing some one with kohatay topak.