Pashtun woman, a challenge to the conscience of the Humanity and human rights groups.

[ScimitarXEdge]

i already know the rave, since about 20 years. a predictable response but not the point.
the point i am making is that societies lived like you suggest, over the centuries but there were still wars and different types of inhumane behaviours. ie; mentally i'll people considered possessed, albino children outcasts etc.
don't assume that i am advocating the western lifestyle to pashtun people, i have many criticisms of it myself but there are some good things of the west. hence you educating yourself there (and grunge music, like you used to b into)

But you seem not to understand WHY I'm educating myself here, I'm doing to stop the Freight Train of Damage caused by Capitalist/INdustrial society so I can free the world from it so it NO LONGER needs to pander to it's standards to function. So the fact I am educating myself here is not a demonstration of anything than compulsion by the current global circumstances, which I am wholly against.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Dzj,

I think your husband is a homosexual because I am wondering why you hound people on forums rather then engaging in any debate. You are a truly bitter person. If your not speaking about anything that is related to peoples'concerns about others well being, I kindly ask you to talk to your husband instead of hounding Catya and Kakargirl, and others that you are fixated on. It is not annoying to me at all.

Stop derailing threads because you are frustrated in life.

Find yourself a better hobby instead of following people on forums because that's all you do

Thanks

Unknownprince

that is simply uncalled for.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Osho, you are a liar and you aren't even pashtun

You are also a man

Lol duh

[IamDZJ]

ka d cha pa plar ki saskey ghairat waye aghey ba hejragano ghundey pa maa pasey dasey khabarey na kawal. d chaa khabara, za pa sa aow ta pa sa..

[graveyardofempires]

^
^
zalimey ta bya jun g rawan keray dey?

[unknownprince]

Unknownprince

that is simply uncalled for.

no one told Dzj that her words against Catya and kakargirl were uncalled for. I was waiting for a girl to tell her something, but no one did.

Really?? After the things she has been saying, I think it is pretty mild.

[unknownprince]

ka d cha pa plar ki saskey ghairat waye aghey ba hejragano ghundey pa maa pasey dasey khabarey na kawal. d chaa khabara, za pa sa aow ta pa sa..

who are you talking to? I don't understand pashto that well, What is it about your father you are saying???


And please stop hounding my comments from now on? Is that clear. You are very rude, and its not appreciated. Im here to exchange ideas, and spread them.

not to waste my time with someone that just wants to insult others on every chance they get.

[graveyardofempires]

who cares about what zahrojam has to say
her comments hold no water or ground

[Catya Sher]

^ Exactly!
Yet she sticks her nose into every single exchange where some of the intelligent members whom she has taken a venomous hatred for
are discussing serious topics.

She's on one hand like a whiney monster baby demanding attention from
all of us adults.
On the her other Janus-face, she's like a wicked witch in a fairy tale, trying to ruin
everybody's day by throwing TAR in their faces.
I stopped reading her comments long ago too. Once in awhile one glimpses something without realizing which username wrote it.

Adam_yusufzai said it so well earlier that she's the # ONE craver of attention
on PF.

But she's more malevolent in her projections of evil thoughts onto people.
Anyone is free to laugh, but there are clearly subtle levels of aiming
these gross, uncalled for, acidic remarks as her only occupation in life apparently.
This is MALICIOUS and evil.
Unknown did NOT overstep at all. She had been harassing him
ridiculously.
Because he's serious and CARES about his people.
She's the exact OPPOSITE to him: she is a VAMPIRE
who is sucking up everybody's energies and time.
AND CACKLING AWAY that she has gotten away with it.

When she darts in with these cruel comments that no one asked her
to deliver,
she's diverting of all our attentions onto her.

It's a classic ploy of people who live on the dark side of life.
They revel in the fact that we have to stop all intellectual discussion
AND CATER TO HER>

She's a powermonger this way, gaining power through making
others miserable and/or forced to interact with her by arguing.
This siphons off a lot of energy from people: that's what she is after.

I propose we who feel something of this way about her
JUST SIMPLY KEEP TALKING AS IF SHE SAID NOTHING AT ALL

People treat her too nicely by giving out their precious attention
to a creep like her.
I would never speak like this but the way she talks to kakargirl
especially and all the insults to unknown - this vampire has
spiraled out of control in my opinion.

[Catya Sher]

PS I think too that the men here fear to speak out too much against her
because they don't want to be stereotyped as anti-women !

I think this problem should zeroed in on by all of us working together to
expose her attempts to poison individuals by malevolent words and thoughts.

Thoughts are powerful: they zing out to the target.
They can make that person falter in their daily routine,
lose something
forget something necessary
trip up in some way

all due to what's called "psychic assault".

This is really no laughing matter.
There are insidious elements which are invisible.

It's to stop those that I intervene hoping her negativity
will boomerang back to the sender
rather than
harm anyone here

Especially nice people who working hard in studies or life.
No one needs interference.
That's what she is trying to do on some deeper levels.

I've seen other people like this, so I'm quick to mention this
unfortunate recipe for causing TROUBLE for others who may not
realize what's going on truly.

[ScimitarXEdge]

This is what I was referring to earlier; repeating slogans and rhetoric without addressing points and arguments which challenge the merit of the rhetoric; And also making false conflations However repeating rhetoric does not make the slogans more valid, nor does making incorrect associations.

Before we can discuss rights, we must understand what rights are, what they pertain to and what their purpose is Likewise we must understand what occupation is, what does it pertain to and what is it's purpose.

Rights are policies and standards which are conducive to our faculties and natural drives, these were developed through our anthropological evolution in respects to the ecological relationships our species shares with the natural world/earth/environment. They pertain to the functions of our faculties and their purpose is to ensure that those faculties are fulfilled and culminated. If you look at other meanings of the word "Right" it describes being in accord to being in accord to what is proper and good; this denotes that "good" are factors which conform with the relationship our natural drives have to our natural environment.

Similarly occupation are practices/methods which assist in fulfilling the requirements of our faculties; they pertain to the functions of our drives and faculties and their purpose is to help complete the demands of our faculties. In Anthropological Evolution; as with other species evolution, gender developed as specialization in labor distribution within a species to effectively allocate resources as well sustain species longevity and resilience; this developed the attributes of males and females. From this organizational structure males were disposed for general physical ability to access and provide resources for the species while females became disposed for carrying and nurturing young within the womb to nurture the species. The occupations such as engineering and physics, mathematics were developed in relation to the activities males performed. To acquire those resources needed to sustain and provide for the species; they had to developed techniques and strategies to be more viable. Likewise women in giving birth, developed those dispositions which would come with maternity and nurturing. This is where the roles of genders came from and how humans developed the concept of rights; and this is what denoted their faculties and drives as well.

Naturally since males and females share genetics they also have attributes of one another, clearly women can do many things males can and males can do many thing females can; but what is important to note is not the ability itself but the disposition that is important. Males and females definitely have different dispositions because of their faculties; this is why each developed as they did compared to the other.

There have always been women involved in decision making or medical fields and males who contribute to raising children. Women parliamentarians in Afghanistan/Pakistan is not so astonishing; there are numerous women from Pashtun society or any Muslim society in general who have been involved in such things. Nazo Ana was apart of the Jirga, Aisha Bibi (ra) was an advisor for the Khilafah. While at the same time they reflected the natural dispositions between male and females in the human species, their work was to serve those interests. These examples in modern contexts do not prove anything.

Take for example being a doctor, Being a doctor these days is a very domestic activity, Unless it's an emergency room doctor, it doesn't necessarily really interfere with women's faculties. However being a pilot wouldn't be domestic and would have high occupational demand. This is what is meant by "Assaulting Nature"; it's not the work or occupation itself necessarily, but when the pursuit of a occupation Alters and/or inhibits our Natural Faculties from being performed. The problem is; this tends to be the case in technocratic societies. This doesn't necessarily happen between genders because each gender has a certain role, they're more disposed to one over the other. It's not the occupation that is shameful but having an occupation which interferes with our natural drives. Generally speaking because males are already disposed for it for non-domestic activities; while women having to fulfill their dispositions will often have to disregard them for occupation.

when activities no longer serve their original purpose and thereby becomes only surrogates of our original functions; such a condition is destructive and dysfunctional. Trying to make males and females identical in everything is contrary to our dispositions. it's trying to fit a circle inside a square hole or a square inside a circular hole.Something that is appropriate for males is destructive for females and vice versa. A Woman is a full human already, she doesn't need to be made into a full human; in fact it's to deem a woman less than human because she's following her Natural drives/faculties which degrades her. This type of thinking only occurs when people are out of balance with Nature, and again demonstrating an assault against nature. Only humans can be involved in domestic life and only humans can be involved in supporting domestic life.

This isn't the same however as implying that women should be locked in four walls, even in the domestic role they're not supposed to be locked in four walls; that's an extreme position because it's not physically or psychologically healthy. But we must not confuse women having movement as women being artificially rendered into male roles.

The idea of women's independence or having her own income in this case becomes a red herring or diversion, because really what happens is her faculties are now enslaved under socioeconomic systems rather than fulfilling her intrinsic drives. Same would happen if the male were to stay at home and just focus on domestic activities. The best is to do what we are meant for and help each other out financially or domestically. If our faculties are interfered; then what good is any money, it no longer has it's purpose.

Women should have education to be prepared for what may happen in case their husbands, parents etc etc are adversely affected; but the focus should be on their intrinsic role and likewise with males, they should contribute to the house and domestic affairs, but also focus on their role.

It is like the Chinese Philosophy of Taosim, teaching Yin and Yang, and achieving Balanced. the idea of these individuals is not really about women's rights or human rights, because it is not balanced; this is why it will fail;it is unsustainable. the only way such a condition can exist is by technocratic society promoting it, but technocratic society consumes so much and wastes so much it cannot maintain itself. So it won't last. Claiming to be to be about "Women's Rights" is just a trap to manipulate and take advantage of people's sentiments.

[IamDZJ]

^ Exactly!
Yet she sticks her nose into every single exchange where some of the intelligent members whom she has taken a venomous hatred for
are discussing serious topics.

She's on one hand like a whiney monster baby demanding attention from
all of us adults.
On the her other Janus-face, she's like a wicked witch in a fairy tale, trying to ruin
everybody's day by throwing TAR in their faces.
I stopped reading her comments long ago too. Once in awhile one glimpses something without realizing which username wrote it.

Adam_yusufzai said it so well earlier that she's the # ONE craver of attention
on PF.

But she's more malevolent in her projections of evil thoughts onto people.
Anyone is free to laugh, but there are clearly subtle levels of aiming
these gross, uncalled for, acidic remarks as her only occupation in life apparently.
This is MALICIOUS and evil.
Unknown did NOT overstep at all. She had been harassing him
ridiculously.
Because he's serious and CARES about his people.
She's the exact OPPOSITE to him: she is a VAMPIRE
who is sucking up everybody's energies and time.
AND CACKLING AWAY that she has gotten away with it.

When she darts in with these cruel comments that no one asked her
to deliver,
she's diverting of all our attentions onto her.

It's a classic ploy of people who live on the dark side of life.
They revel in the fact that we have to stop all intellectual discussion
AND CATER TO HER>

She's a powermonger this way, gaining power through making
others miserable and/or forced to interact with her by arguing.
This siphons off a lot of energy from people: that's what she is after.

I propose we who feel something of this way about her
JUST SIMPLY KEEP TALKING AS IF SHE SAID NOTHING AT ALL

People treat her too nicely by giving out their precious attention
to a creep like her.
I would never speak like this but the way she talks to kakargirl
especially and all the insults to unknown - this vampire has
spiraled out of control in my opinion.

PS I think too that the men here fear to speak out too much against her
because they don't want to be stereotyped as anti-women !

I think this problem should zeroed in on by all of us working together to
expose her attempts to poison individuals by malevolent words and thoughts.

Thoughts are powerful: they zing out to the target.
They can make that person falter in their daily routine,
lose something
forget something necessary
trip up in some way

all due to what's called "psychic assault".

This is really no laughing matter.
There are insidious elements which are invisible.

It's to stop those that I intervene hoping her negativity
will boomerang back to the sender
rather than
harm anyone here

Especially nice people who working hard in studies or life.
No one needs interference.
That's what she is trying to do on some deeper levels.

I've seen other people like this, so I'm quick to mention this
unfortunate recipe for causing TROUBLE for others who may not
realize what's going on truly.

agreed..and i think you forgot to mention the part where i stole christmas and the part where i am also a practicing expert in black magic.
BE SCARED EVERYONE..BE VERY VERY SCARED...

[Roshina]

agreed..and i think you forgot to mention the part where i stole christmas and the part where i am also a practicing expert in black magic.
BE SCARED EVERYONE..BE VERY VERY SCARED...

Couldn't write this on your wall but had to say it, so I'll say it here:

If there's anyone on this forum I'd like to emulate, it's you!

[Mayana]

Ok buddies, two options:

- back to topic
or
- a salad with warnings, moderated posts and a closed thread.

Your call.


(I really should have to remind you people that you just don't go around trying to "insult" someone, and that too as a homosexual - especially someone you're supposed to be at peace with. Personal attacks just testify to weak view points.)

[graveyardofempires]

Ok buddies, two options:

- back to topic
or
- a salad with warnings, moderated posts and a closed thread.

Your call.


(I really should have to remind you people that you just don't go around trying to "insult" someone, and that too as a homosexual - especially someone you're supposed to be at peace with. Personal attacks just testify to weak view points.)

the Mods have spoken.
closed thread will be good since this whole threat has been disrespectful and inflametory