Pashtun woman, a challenge to the conscience of the Humanity and human rights groups.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Simone De Bouvier was actually anti feminist. Have you read the Second Sex, Scimitar? I really enjoyed it...soo true lol

(emma goldman = jew)

Yes I have, where in it do you discern she was anti-feminism, her allusions are in attempt to look at the things she writes about in disdain.

In fact the quotes you;re= citing are precisely what I'm referring to.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

roshina i dont represent your pahktun khwa women many are free iv seen and very much liberated even when they newly come from pakistan, i only represent my own caste and family women and strict qandarian helmand women , there isnt one divorce to this day nor is there a unhappy woman that wants to runaway , nor has woman a been beaten black or blue or burnt, i speak for my type of family from kandahar and helmand i dont speak for others if they are in bad conditions then they should be free, as for our women they are tough and run the house like a military base the men are even careful , our new generation girls are studying not because of anyone else but because there fathers want them to so the change came with in the family we didnt need the out side to do that, sharam haya that only my own type of women would understand we are much stricter than your women we have separate rooms for men guests entrance ect , we go to all girls schools we dont go out too much when we dont need to our familys system our dress code is very strict i guess we are conservative with very old veiws old fashioned so sorry i got on your nerves il stop posting where theres so many liberated feminist im not one and nor do i intend to become one so sorry for repeating my self like a parrot our familys are too complicated for you to understand sorry if you took this list and said what you said to me to kandahrian strict family believe me they will call you a panjabian and throw you out of the village and this will be the women who do this not the men and if i did the same so would i be called that get thrown out as these people have a system that works for them when it stops who knows they might change but so far im happy with our values my last post wont be posting on these topics no more .

Keep posting against the antagonism. Your voice is an important voice and your opinion ought to be heard. Its as legitimate or valid as anyone elses. Moreover, the time you spent in Helmand and the fact that you are very representative of the ground level Qandahari female makes your opinion all the more important.

[Catya Sher]

Kakargirl,
You haven't met the member I nicknamed Darkina yet.
Don't mind her attacks on you.
She probably imagines she will be the next
Asra Nomani
and that type.
Look at her avatar!

These ostensibly Muslim women speak only what the West is CRAVING to hear on this hot topic of "Muslim women".

Instant FAME awaits those who will "parrot" what American scholars wish to hear...lots of money in it too.

Your comments have been VERY POWERFUL in negating all these imported thoughts and perceptions featured by Osho and his comrades.

If it weren't for you, Kakargirl, they would have a field day of asserting their
strange notions.

You are the one block to them which can not be bulldozed over, because you are the REAL ARTICLE: a Pashtun woman who knows her culture AND--
LIVES IT, even here in the West

Your words are pearls of wisdom. Don't mind the jeers.
The opposing faction is gnashing its teeth that it can not
discredit you.

Your credentials are the best to weigh in with your opinion in this argument.

Do not be scared off by their comments!

[graveyardofempires]

Kakargirl you have won the whole discussion against disinfo agents such as osho.
and i salute you.

[Catya Sher]

Let's face it, she's a REAL LIFE Afghan Princess !

Not a username for chatting.

But a real one, a descendant of a royal line.

We all can learn volumes from her descriptions of life in her family.
It's almost something that anthropologists should be sitting up and taking note of!

Others may be consciously or subconsciously JEALOUS that they don't have
blue blood like she does.

Look how nobility is modest and humble: she does her household chores like
anyone, no special treatment.
But GREAT discipline - from the MOTHER clearly - so she is not spoiled at all.

I'd venture to guess a good section of Pashtuns and Afghans brought up in the West could take a leaf out of this family's book and consider their own lives through this prism.

Culture has fast eroded, it's very evident by many of the members here who post.

This site should be about giving tips on HOW TO PRESERVE that culture before it's gone among those emigres to secular cultures which automatically erode all the traditional value of which Pashtuns and all Afghans to some degree must be proud.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Kakargirl you have won the whole discussion against disinfo agents such as osho.
and i salute you.

I am still trying to understand the phenomenon. I do not know whether its a psychological projection defense mechanism issue, and I think we have many intelligent females on here. However, I do tend to notice that she gets the lion's share of vitriol and brow beating back from the females when she espouses her views about what she wears and how the characteristic pashtun women lives her life.

[IamDZJ]

Kakargirl,
You haven't met the member I nicknamed Darkina yet.
Don't mind her attacks on you.
She probably imagines she will be the next
Asra Nomani
and that type.
Look at her avatar!

These ostensibly Muslim women speak only what the West is CRAVING to hear on this hot topic of "Muslim women".

Instant FAME awaits those who will "parrot" what American scholars wish to hear...lots of money in it too.

what about my avatar wrinkles??
you use your hobby and interest in my country and me for the way that i present my self in pf to redeem your self for being the failure that you are in society and to justify what?
what are you with out those two interests of yours? do you even have a voice otherwise?

and as for kakargirl
i don't have anything against you. i don't like your habit of constantly gossiping about people who apparently have less faith in God than you do because i think it contradicts with the image of a pious muslima that you have chosen to go by. you are too young to understand that. i am not going to spoon feed you compliments like others and this bag of wrinkles here is taking advantage of that. disagreeing with someone on a matter is different than running after them with an ax. don't make it seem like i am chasing you around for saying something i didn't agree with.

i have said this to -gulalai in a thread that i can't recall at the moment and i will say it again here to you. your opinion is of no use if you don't have the courage to fight for it. i am not going to reach out of your computer screen and strangle you for saying something that i supposedly don't like hearing from you.
you get the right to make a stance once you fight your own fears of how others might react to what you have to say about a matter. that is how you earn yourself the right to speak. okay?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

what about my avatar wrinkles??
you use your hobby and interest in my country and me for the way that i present my self in pf to redeem your self for being the failure that you are in society and to justify what?
what are you with out those two interests of yours? do you even have a voice otherwise?

and as for kakargirl
i don't have anything against you. i don't like your habit of constantly gossiping about people who apparently have less faith in God than you do because i think it contradicts with the image of a pious muslima that you have chosen to go by. you are too young to understand that. i am not going to spoon feed you compliments like others and this bag of wrinkles here is taking advantage of that. disagreeing with someone on a matter is different than running after them with an ax. don't make it seem like i am chasing you around for saying something i didn't agree with.

i have said this to -gulalai in a thread that i can't recall at the moment and i will say it again here to you. your opinion is of no use if you don't have the courage to fight for it. i am not going to reach out of your computer screen and strangle you for saying something that i supposedly don't like hearing from you.
you get the right to make a stance once you fight your own fears of how others might react to what you have to say about a matter. that is how you earn yourself the right to speak. okay?

How do you know that they Catya has wrinkles? How do you know they (I do not know much about whether Catya is a male or female)are a failure? This appears to be gossip.

Furthermore, her views were a response to the original post. Did you read Osho's post in its original form as it called for changing Quranic precepts? Its like saying to Kakagirl: You are not allowed to have a reaction while others can state a fantastic and fanatic things and not earn your equal bit of blame.

You basically projected psychologically, against her counter statements and assigned them the role as the initiating event.

It also does not qualify as gossip if she states it openly. Rather, that trait is to be admired.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

you get the right to make a stance once you fight your own fears of how others might react to what you have to say about a matter. that is how you earn yourself the right to speak. okay?

I forgot to mention that it appears she has fulfilled this criteria and not worried about how you or others react to her views. So then, she has earned her right to speak by your definition.

[Catya Sher]

I haven't met you, BarakzaiAbdali, so of course you don't know who on earth am I.
I am a female, first and have a long list of articles I wrote against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 80s. Many more on various Middle Eastern topics, even reaching to Romania ...
I refuse to even read the sick words of this macabre woman with her slimy avatars

So I don't know what she said, but that's nice of you to try to keep an open mind about it.

She claims she is a writer and is simply envious herself of my writing career, perhaps. It's extremely difficult to get published, especially by top of the line news outlets in North America.

She is mocking of course and upset that she can't find any faults in me !
So she resorts apparently to such a silly thing.

Well I'm ready to meet anyone DECENT here and let them judge for themselves.

But certain other people are vested in having certain identities and
run away like bats if anyone ever wanted to speak to them face to face.

Kakargirl is -- NOTABLY -- the most up front and honest of any Pashtun or Afghan woman on this site of those who regularly contribute.
I notice that there are nice women, but they seem to take note privately of discussions, but prefer not to actively post.

Kakargirl tells the truth without the slightest guile or subterfuge.
Where OTHER women, ahem, change their stories every day. One day they're married, the next day they're not, one day they're this age, the next time
they are a decade older or younger...VERY UNSTABLE PEOPLE, THESE.

I think dizzyj has got to be reprimanded for her acid assaults on people and
PONTIFICATING without ceasing !

No one asked for her opinion of themselves !
Yet she has to intervene in every discussion to order people around
about what she considers they are permitted to BELIEVE< SAY < OPINE, etc.
She's not Allah [swt] though she seems to have some delusion of being a goddess in disguise!

She could really hurt a young, sensitive person like Kakargirl who is mature beyond her years, but still only in her late teens.
This is nothing short of malevolent behavior, dripping with malice for members here.
I hope Inshallah, she will be scaled back.

[IamDZJ]

How do you know that they Catya has wrinkles? How do you know they (I do not know much about whether Catya is a male or female)are a failure? This appears to be gossip.

Furthermore, her views were a response to the original post. Did you read Osho's post in its original form as it called for changing Quranic precepts? Its like saying to Kakagirl: You are not allowed to have a reaction while others can state a fantastic and fanatic things and not earn your equal bit of blame.

You basically projected psychologically, against her counter statements and assigned them the role as the initiating event.

It also does not qualify as gossip if she states it openly. Rather, that trait is to be admired.

according to her, while she was cruising along the mountains of afghanistan, we were still in our diapers. that is how i know. how does you not knowing her gender become my fault?? the she is a failure bit is a reference to a conversation i had with her a few months ago and she knows very well what i am talking about. for as long as she chooses to refer to me as darkina, i will call her wrinkles...unless i come up with a better nickname..
i didn't bother with osho's post because i know his stance and i don't agree with it. the invalidity of anyone else's reply to his post has nothing to do with him. a post made should make sense on it's own. i shouldn't have to read 5 pages before and after it.
kakargirl is dropped to her school by her brothers and brought back home the same way. she doesn't go out to disco clubs or to the malls to hang out with others...then where does she get the information that women in foreign countries go clubbing and get pregnant before marriage? yes, it does happen but should one always be talking about such things in each and every thread every chance they get followed by some praising on their own behalf? where did she get that information from if not random gossip?

every body is in their own la la land here.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

according to her, while she was cruising along the mountains of afghanistan, we were still in our diapers. that is how i know. how does you not knowing her gender become my fault?? the she is a failure bit is a reference to a conversation i had with her a few months ago and she knows very well what i am talking about. for as long as she chooses to refer to me as darkina, i will call her wrinkles...unless i come up with a better nickname..
i didn't bother with osho's post because i know his stance and i don't agree with it. the invalidity of anyone else's reply to his post has nothing to do with him. a post made should make sense on it's own. i shouldn't have to read 5 pages before and after it.
kakargirl is dropped to her school by her brothers and brought back home the same way. she doesn't go out to disco clubs or to the malls to hang out with others...then where does she get the information that women in foreign countries go clubbing and get pregnant before marriage? yes, it does happen but should one always be talking about such things in each and every thread every chance they get followed by some praising on their own behalf? where did she get that information from if not random gossip?

every body is in their own la la land here.

So to be fair, yes a solid post should stand independent, but isn't that why there are threads in the first place? It appeared that she was responding to the original thread post and really trying to defend her and the Helmand way of life to Osho as opposed to saying: all Afghan girls on here that go to school and do not wear hijaab are unworthy of being called Pashtuns. I mean the message I got when reading it was that it was not an attack on Roshina, You, or anyone here but rather a subtle comment indicating to Osho that there is a whole faction of happy people that are just fine living the way that their foremothers lived. I took a look at the posts again and no matter how I deconstruct them they do not take a hit at any girl here. Rather, they may be construed a remark on the secular Western way of life. However, wouldnt that then be appropriate since that was what she was responding to in terms of it being imposed on her and her sisters back home?

That initial post had some charged commentary that was bound to elicit an equal and opposite response.

Btw, I thought disco died in the 70s.

So this is coming from someone who has family members that are predominantly not hijaab wearing and in the work place: Admittedly, its naive to assume that anyone that wears a hijaab is suddenly Bibi Maryam, but it is also naive to assume that folks that club are not more likely to drink or go against traditional conservative morals. I mean its not like the concept of "the one night stand" came out of girl or boy on his way to the mosque or under chaperone suddenly going rogue right?

However, I agree with you that there is no free passport to heaven or to God's favor. That being said, I haven't really seen anyone except that guy Idiot say anything self deprecating. That is generally a rare human trait. On the alcohol thread, various posters revelled in having their scotch. I dont think any one person was called out. So by the same token, I think you could appreciate how a conservative faction might want to respond in kind. I think that faction is capable of defending itself, but I am just pointing out that I have seen Kakargirl told that she is 1) too young to understand real life 2) judgemental - it happens on the other side as well yet no one gets called out repeatedly and 3) repetitive - every thread on here the pf is repitition of various similar motifs right?

[kakargirl]

thank you barakzai abdali wror for the kind comment , thank you catya sher your a excellent journalist your self with too much experience, and thank you gye excellent contributer your self, and djz its not gossiping its facts and alot girls have no sharam in britain they openly boast about this for them its something to be very proud of that they're dating clubbing drinking ect that they're not back wards, for them thats moving forward for me thats going back to stone age .

[unknownprince]

You know dzj, why is your mouth so foul???

No one cares what you say.

You take your pf profile too seriously whereas as others are here purely to exchange ideas. I didn't even bother to read your posts because they are so vile.

Whereas people like Catya and Kakargirl are talking about an important subject, you on the other hand are focused entirely on them,

I think you need to see an imam. You focus on others waaaay too often.

[IamDZJ]

You know dzj, why is your mouth so foul???

No one cares what you say.

You take your pf profile too seriously whereas as others are here purely to exchange ideas. I didn't even bother to read your posts because they are so vile.

Whereas people like Catya and Kakargirl are talking about an important subject, you on the other hand are focused entirely on them,

I think you need to see an imam. You focus on others waaaay too often.

look who got his voice back. the unknown quantity. where were you when actual matters were being discussed? i don't want to talk about either one of them. at this point of time, both of them disgust me.
i can't help focusing on others too much. if i didn't do that i would end up posting 522 threads on rapes and soldiers crying in battlefields. shooting myself in the head is better than doing ****ty things like that to me. and what you need is a fist deforming your face. get lost now.
from now on, whenever you talk to or about me, i am simply going to ignore you. don't think that i don't have a reply for whatever it is that you say. simply consider yourself not worth of my time.