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    Pashtun woman, a challenge to the conscience of the Humanity and human rights groups.

    The status of Pashtun woman in this modern era is challenge to the humanity as a whole and the human rights groups specially. Status of Pashtun women is worse then that of a dog. Because a dog has liberty to move around but a Pashtun woman has to pass her whole house in the prison of the four walls of her house, even a dog has fundamental freedom of movement but a Pashtun woman has none!

    I practically see that 95% of Pashtun women in Pakistan and Afghanistan pass their whole life within the limits of their houses, the only exceptions is that when they go to hospitals or relatives homes, many times fully covered and accompanied by a male guardian. Is it a life worthy to lead? Why about 30 millions Pashtun women are socially imprisoned.

    There are many other rights like inheritance which must be given to Pashtun women. That with modern education the things are changing but I think once the Pashtun women have the basic right of free movement then they can go to universities and colleges and can participate in social events freely not necessarily under the command of their male Guardians .We must treat Pashtun women as human beings equal to men not a dependent on their men whether husbands, fathers, brothers or sons.

    Let’s start a movement to liberate the 30 million Pashtun women who are prisoners in their own homes. They are born within the 4 walls and die within the 4 walls of their houses. They are sentenced with life time imprisonment. How can we liberate Pashtun women from this life time imprisonment? Let’s think and act in the right direction.

    For ameliorating the status of Pashtun woman we have to take start from the scratch, from zero. We have to do some thing to take out Pashtun woman from the quagmire they have been fallen by so called Pashtun traditions, Pashtun society, Pashtun chauvinist men and false ideas and wrongly interpreted injunctions of religion and dictates of mullahs.

    Some friends think that Pashtuns as a whole, both men and women are downtrodden so talking only of women is not justified.

    I agree that Pashtuns as a nation, as a race, both men and women are suffering. We don’t have a single Nobel Prize holder, a single world level scientist or technologist, or philosopher or scholar etc. Yes we have suicide bombers, terrorists, Taliban, dacoits, robbers, all negative, nothing positive.

    But here the theme of this article is even the worse status of women, who don’t have the basic right of movement and expression. We have to break their chains; men at least have these rights. They are economically better than women. Women totally depend on their men partners socially and economically. Situation of Pashtun women is many times worse than Pashtun men.

    All of us have great ideas for the development and improvement of the status of Pashtun women but what remains is the implementation strategy. How to implement all these ideas. Charity begins at home. Let’s start from our sisters, mothers, wives, daughters, cousins, friends etc and then to expand the sphere of influence to other sectors of society. Education especially modern education and democracy are the excellent panaceas for all the ills of the Pashtun women.

    We must launch a campaign against all kinds of obscurantist and fundamentalist Mullahs, Taliban and their Madrassas specially the extremist Deobandi ,Wahabi , Ahle Hadith and Salafi ones.

    However the best struggle can be through peaceful means, by education, internet, youth societies, encouraging Pashtun women and men by various motivational means to understand the dilapidated status of Pashtun women in Pashtun society and adopt all ways and means to change this horrible status of Pashtun women.

    Our focus should be Pashtun woman, not Pakistani woman or Muslim woman. We must think on the status of Pashtun woman whether she is in Pakistan or Afghanistan or anywhere else because Pashtun woman on account of the lethal combination of Pashtunwali and so called extremist Islam is suffering because of the traditions and tenets which are barbaric, inhuman, cruel and demonic.

    There is a dire need of launching of an awareness campaign that Pashtun woman first must understand their position where they are. Then take steps to improve the situation in such a way that the traditional family system remains undisturbed but woman starts enjoying their fundamental rights of choice, expression and movement and education.

    Government, Taliban and Mullahs Islam -all these may be some of the reasons of the downtrodden condition of Pashtun woman but for me the amalgam of Pashtunwali and the traditional Islam of Taliban and Mullahs is the biggest cause and on these two fronts we have to fight to improve the status of woman in Pashtun society .

    On religious front there is a need of reformation and telling the Pashtun woman that they can participate in day to day activities like the wives of the Prophet and his companions. On Pashtunwali front we have to educate our Pashtun men that Pashtun woman is not the sole depositary for his honor and Pashtunwali. If his wife, sister, mother, or daughter goes around and does some business, participates in social , political and economic or educational activities or even religious activity like going to mosques, then its not the end of the world. He should not feel mortified that his woman is talking to others or doing business with others and that this is against his, honor, ghairat or Pashtunwali.

    Pashtun woman is equally an independent Pashtun. A Pashtun man and Pashtun woman should deal each other on equality basis, not one superior or inferior to other ,like a perfect pair based on mutual respect, love and understanding not a boss and subordinate relationship.

    I wish that all the Pashtun women are liberated from the prison of their houses with the honor of Pashtunwali but with their liberty of movement and expression and economic activities.

    I need comments, feed back from Pashtun sisters and brothers that how can we liberate millions of Pashtun women from their jails in the shape of their homes. Is it possible to start a Pashtun women movement for liberating them from the clutches of their male masters, enabling them to move freely , to get education where they want and join jobs where they wish.

    How can we further control this wave of Talibanization who are bent upon destroying girls’ schools in many Pashtun lands? Can we do any thing or we should leave Pashtun women at the mercy of these barbaric wolves

    Pragmatism with idealism and realism with vision and imagination should be used to solve all problems and in this context the solution to the Problems of Pashtun women lies in the panacea of great ideas of democracy with its implementation in all social and political spheres and the implementation of the philosophical concepts of liberty, equality and fraternity by modern education and religious reformation and reinterpretation. We must take start from own families, homes, villages, towns, cities and countries to bring a positive change in the status of Pashtun woman.
    Pashtun women dress is an important issue. More than 90 % Pashtun women even can’t show their faces in public. They have to cover their whole body like we cover a corpse in coffin. Saudi Arabia and Pashtun areas in Afghanistan and Pakistan (Pashtunland) are the only two examples even in Muslim world where women are obliged to cover their faces. This is a clear absurdity, an extreme stupidity in this modern era that you don’t let a human being even not to show her face.

    However we should avoid extremes of shuttle cock burkas and mini skirts. If a Pashtun woman is a professional lady , if she is intelligent, if she is knowledgeable, if she is intellectual and she is Pashtun by race and by practice , she speaks Pashto, she writes Pashto , she teaches Pashto to her children - all these are important , not how she lives, where she lives , she wears skirt or paint shirt or kamees partug -these are non essential for me ,-however we should avoid both the extremes-mini skirt and shuttle cock burKa are two extremes , we should find a middle way especially when a Pashtun woman live in Pashtunland till the time comes when dress does not remain an important issue as we see now a days in modern developed world of Europe, America etc.

    Marriage of Pashtun woman is also an important issue. Specially the early marriages, the purely arranged marriages etc. However the religious aspect of marriage of Pashtun men or women with Muslims or non Muslims is not my concern. Its some body individual right how to marry and where to marry. My main concern is the social, legal and economic situation of Pashtun women.

    We should admit that Pashtun women have lots of social, legal and economic problems .We have to liberate Pashtun women -the 35 million Pashtun women living like slaves are to be liberated. Its a big challenge for human rights organizations and for all those who have little bit of conscience.

    One argument is that we should wait till other more important problems of Pashtun society are solved, and then we shall concentrate on gender and Pashtun women issues.

    But we must realize that Pashtun women are 50% of Pashtun population. They are part of Pashto and Pashtunwali. We can’t wait till the times when everything will be all right with Pashtuns then we shall tackle the gender issue. It’s not an unimportant issue-its part and parcel of the whole reformation and development scheme for Pashtuns. It’s not a secondary issue. We have to take it up with war footings basis-it’s a burning issue. Pashtuns politics, culture, religion, society, international relations, education, all are related to Pashtun women too.

    Pashtun women problems solution is concomitant with Pashtun problems in general. We have to adopt a holistic approach not a piece meal one. How can a Pashtun ignore for the time being the problems of his mother, wife, sister, and daughter-no way.

    The emancipation of Pashtun women has political dimension but its more a religious, cultural, educational, psychological, legal and social issue. Our society, family, culture, laws, misinterpretation of religion and less opportunities of education are the main factors for the downtrodden situation of Pashtun women. As I earlier said charity begins at home. We may take start from own homes from our own wives, sisters, daughters and even mothers (I am facing a tough time with my mother. it’s very difficult to make her understand about the situation of Pashtun women).

    It’s also my observation that even women themselves are great obstacle in the way of improvement of the situation of Pashtun women. Many times a mother does not wish the betterment of her own daughter. She is responsible for the wrong marriage of her daughter-she does not let her daughter to get modern education etc.

    We should educate girls for good marriages and for leading a happy and full life. Those who are not educated formally may be educated informally or non formally. We must begin the charity at our own homes. Problems like early marriages, marriages without consent, purely arranged marriages etc may be discouraged with full strength. There are even such Pashtun women who can’t go to hospitals and even they have to deliver their babies at homes in the hands of elderly women or unskilled maids.

    I wish some friends from Pakistan and Afghanistan may share with us the literacy rate of Pashtun women in Pakistan and Afghanistan. I tried my best but could not get the required data.

    There are also some so called idealists and visionaries who think that gender issues no more exist in Pashtun society and that only general economic problems for both men and women exist but no women specific problems exist any more!

    I would like to remind to these friends that what about the girls schools issue in the Swat and other Pashtun regions?? Why Taliban are adamant on destroying only Pashtun girls’ schools? What about the hijab/pardah/veil/burqa Issue of Pashtun women? What about the inheritance and evidence issues of Pashtun women? What about the forced and early marriages of Pashtun girls? What about selling of Pashtun women by the name of marriages?

    What about the economic opportunities issues for Pashtun women in Pashtun world? Have you seen a single Pashtun women for example a shopkeeper in the whole specially rural areas of Pashtun land? Majority of Pashtun women still depend economically and financially on their men. Can you imagine of a Pashtun lawyer in district courts in Pashtun areas'?

    Can a Pashtun woman walk, travel and move freely and alone in Pashtun villages. How much is the percentage of Pashtun boys and girls in universities and colleges? And many more like these.

    Pashtun women issues of discrimination exist and is in the worst form. We can’t portray a rosy picture or mix men problems with women problems. I agree there are common problems of Pashtun men and women like poverty but there are many problems which are only and only women specific.

    Many Pashtun women adjust themselves with the situation and accept the reality. My mother is also like that. She does not want any change, any freedom. She is happy where she is. All the time at home except when has to go hospital or any ceremony!

    Some friends think that Pashtun women face problems only in poor families but in the well off families too I have seen they don’t allow their female members to do whatever they want in a genuine manner. They are mostly at mercy of the male members. They may go to co education institutions but may not allow the girls to choose their life partner at their own sweet will. And how many well off families we have? Few in big cities. Majority of Pashtuns live in rural areas and they are either poor or middle class. Especially in tribal and mountainous areas the situation is worst.

    There are various women rights organizations and feminists but not in Pashtun areas first because Pashtuns don’t let such organizations to work in their areas, second the world has not become conscious so far of the women issues in Pashtun society. We are engaged in many other areas like terrorism and political issues and the women problems have been put at back burner.


    We need to build our society from bottom up and that a proper background has to be set for any change that we want to see in our society. We must bring the change in a pragmatic and effective way.

    Pashtun code of life or Pashtunwali is the basic right which all Pashtun women should have but first the Pashtun basic code or Pashtunwali is not very well defined, not in written shape so far like a constitution or a legal penal or civil code and thus may not be implemented as such and many times it is abused like the honor killings of Pashtun women based on this code. Often the whole code revolves around women honor while the code says nothing of the women rights.

    The gender Equality is a technical issue. I have seen that one factor for the progress of the West is gender equality. They don’t keep half of their population at homes but utilize them as human resource whether male or female. The only biological difference of reproduction mechanism of woman and man makes not a big difference. How many children will be born by a woman, 1, 2 , not dozens like by Pashtun women. Women are there in the West every where, astronauts, pilots, truck drivers, shop keepers, industrialists, mangers, teachers, etc .The gender does not stop them doing any thing. Gender is more a psychological and social issue than biological. I don’t see where in West the gender equality was a failure. only their family system is disturbed but that may not happen in the Pashtun society.

    Girls’ schools issue is an issue of Pashtun society. Why it does not happen in a non Pashtun society majority of these enemies of women education , the Taliban etc are so called Pashtuns unfortunately.

    Hijab and BURQA is a serious issue. It stops the free movement of women in Pashtun society and they always need a Pashtun man to guard them. Once the Pashtun women come to streets with out hijab, at least their faces open ,the Pashtun men curiosity will be satisfied and hen it will become a normal scene for them to see women as in Punjab or west or other Islamic countries like Malaysia or Turkey.

    Similarly evidence and inheritance are basic issues. Pashtun women must get their equal share in inheritance for their economic independence and they may not need to bring 4 witnesses to show they are violated and two Pashtun women may not be equal to one man in evidence. Here we need religious reformation or reinterpretation of Quranic injunctions.

    Let’s create awareness about the status of the Pashtun woman in the modern world so they can come to our rescue and at the same time we should be catalysts for change in our society and me models for others. Let’s establish and cooperate with NGOs working on women issues. Let’s convey our concerns to the government, women ministries and UN engaged in women related activities. Let’s do whatever possible to liberate Pashtun women from their life time imprisonment.

    ARTICLE CONCLUDED

  • #2
    non sense western bias
    you have nothing to do with pashtun women
    go look for another reason to justify your invasion of my country.

    and if you go and tell pashtun women that the united nation wants you to be against your men and they call this freedom and women rights,they will kick you in the face.

    as a matter of fact pashtun women have more rights than any other women,your women dont have right ,they are just used in the work force,used for prostitution,used in commercials as products,high percent rape,almost every couple in your world is divorced.

    no one is falling for your non sense story about Afghan women and trying to justify your invasion by using Afghan women.

    what happend? doesnt Osama story hold ground anymore?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by єѕαρχαι
      Specially the way they deal women in tribal areas.

      Lock them in houses for life , beat them up whenever needed and they serve you like

      slaves for life.
      are you serious?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
        non sense western bias
        you have nothing to do with pashtun women
        go look for another reason to justify your invasion of my country.

        and if you go and tell pashtun women that the united nation wants you to be against your men and they call this freedom and women rights,they will kick you in the face.

        as a matter of fact pashtun women have more rights than any other women,your women dont have right ,they are just used in the work force,used for prostitution,used in commercials as products,high percent rape,almost every couple in your world is divorced.

        no one is falling for your non sense story about Afghan women and trying to justify your invasion by using Afghan women.

        what happend? doesnt Osama story hold ground anymore?
        This is not western bias but presentation of the social, cultural, legal, political and religious status of Pashtun women in Pashtun society by a Pashtun himself. west has nothing to do with it . Yes the developoed West can be taken as a model for the Pashtun women. Rights for Pashtun women does not mean their opposition to men or their separation from men. I both are free then there can be a perfect couple. For success of a Pashtun family, it is not necessary you make one part as slave to the other.

        Divorce is not something bad and it is allowed to Muslims too. Instead of a unwilling and hateful bondage its better to be separated. If both men and women are happy then there is nothing better than that. Prostitues are not less in Pashtun society but they are undeclared and undocumented. And there are many sex slaves and many with out sex for life. Stories of raping even children is not uncommon in Pashtun society. Child marriages is a norm in Pashtun society. Marriage without consent , forced marriages and marriages between old men and teenagers is a tradition. Use of women as barter or guarantee in wars and fights is a strategy and pride. Majority of Pashtun marriages is arranged by others and the life partners even dont know each other before their marriages.

        Before criticizing the modern educated free western woman, look into your own pitfalls. We are living in stone age where women are considered to be the property of men and they use them as a commodity. Pashtun women have to take a bold stand against their slavery by men, by traditions and by Mulla.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by єѕαρχαι
          Specially the way they deal women in tribal areas.

          Lock them in houses for life , beat them up whenever needed and they serve you like

          slaves for life.
          The pitiable situation of Pashtun women is not specific only to tribal areas but in the whole Pashtunland of Afghanistan and Pakistan. In some parts of tribal areas you may find even freer Pashtun women working in fields and take part in other economic activities but in cities and settled areas even they are in worse condition. Four walls of their houses is their birth, their life and their death.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by osho View Post
            This is not western bias but presentation of the social, cultural, legal, political and religious status of Pashtun women in Pashtun society by a Pashtun himself. west has nothing to do with it . Yes the developoed West can be taken as a model for the Pashtun women. Rights for Pashtun women does not mean their opposition to men or their separation from men. I both are free then there can be a perfect couple. For success of a Pashtun family, it is not necessary you make one part as slave to the other.

            Divorce is not something bad and it is allowed to Muslims too. Instead of a unwilling and hateful bondage its better to be separated. If both men and women are happy then there is nothing better than that. Prostitues are not less in Pashtun society but they are undeclared and undocumented. And there are many sex slaves and many with out sex for life. Stories of raping even children is not uncommon in Pashtun society. Child marriages is a norm in Pashtun society. Marriage without consent , forced marriages and marriages between old men and teenagers is a tradition. Use of women as barter or guarantee in wars and fights is a strategy and pride. Majority of Pashtun marriages is arranged by others and the life partners even dont know each other before their marriages.

            Before criticizing the modern educated free western woman, look into your own pitfalls. We are living in stone age where women are considered to be the property of men and they use them as a commodity. Pashtun women have to take a bold stand against their slavery by men, by traditions and by Mulla.
            maybe this is problem of that pashtun ,you cant paint everyoen with the same brush.
            and people get diverced because they are only using eachother for pleasure and there is no respect for women and men and mutual.
            west is developed but not moraly so to say that afghan or pashtun women should take a blueprint from the west is a bogus story.
            Pashtun women have their own cultur their own religion and they find women in the west to be degrating themselves.
            one part as slave to the other?i dont knwo where you are getting this bogus story and pashtuns stay with eachother with love their whole life.
            i guess you havent asked any pashtun women what the situation is and how about we go and ask every pashtun woman if they want to act like western women?
            "Stories of raping even children is not uncommon in Pashtun society. Child marriages is a norm in Pashtun society. Marriage without consent , forced marriages and marriages between old men and teenagers is a tradition".
            thats a total made up non sense ,shame on you! you tak ethe criminals and say that is norm in pashtun society?
            divorce is actually reflecting that there is no love between the man and woman in a such society and in divorce kids usually suffer more than the parents.

            " Prostitues are not less in Pashtun society but they are undeclared and undocumented. And there are many sex slaves and many with out sex for life".
            that is just another horned lie you are telling,now i know for sure that not only you are biased or naive but are full of lies.
            there is totally nothing wrong with arranged marriages,you just know nothing and think everyone thinks such as you.ive never heard of someone being forced to marry someone,its just again trying to capitalize on an incident and call it pashtun norm.

            "Before criticizing the modern educated free western woman, look into your own pitfalls. We are living in stone age where women are considered to be the property of men and they use them as a commodity. Pashtun women have to take a bold stand against their slavery by men, by traditions and by Mulla"

            out women alhamdulilah are respectful and respected and are not used as property as you claim,we are not living in a stone age and the reason that majority of our women are not educated doesnt mean it has to do with culture but with economic and security reasons.Pashtun women are vold and standing next to their men to face people who are trying to manipulate them into western culture under the disguise of freedom,education women rights.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by osho View Post
              The pitiable situation of Pashtun women is not specific only to tribal areas but in the whole Pashtunland of Afghanistan and Pakistan. In some parts of tribal areas you may find even freer Pashtun women working in fields and take part in other economic activities but in cities and settled areas even they are in worse condition. Four walls of their houses is their birth, their life and their death.
              maybe that was happening to you and your family
              please do not talk as if you know what is happening to all pashtun women.
              there are many educated pashtun women.

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              • #8
                the problem now with the freedom in the western countries, where people have all this 'freedom' is that many of the people are not using it creatively and constructively. women are destroying themselves with neurosis, boulimia, etc and are letting themselves be brainwashed with all that 'movie star' idolatry. they are generally not using their brains. alcohol is one of our hugest problems that is still not being dealt with and is partly responsible for much of immoral behaviour.
                the 'free' world has gone too far and now is being run over by degraded mentalities. it is a catch 22 situation, freedom.

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                • #9
                  esapxai, we have both pointed out problems of our respective systems. to say infer that all women in the west (assuming you meant women there) sleep with 30 men is like me saying all your women are locked in houses and beaten. both are not true.
                  i said there that freedom is not being used in the most constructive manner, by many. i personally, will not interfere in the issue of womens rights of muslim people. that is an issue they have to work out but one thing i always say, in reference to cultures that are criticised for men/women relations and arranged marriages, is; if there wasn't love between people in those cultures they would never have lasted this long.
                  i say this because i went to muslim, greek and indian homes and weddings etc and had first hand experience seeing so many that were happy and obviously loving of each other.

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                  • #10
                    Whenever we talk of Pashtun women we go from one extreme to another. We want to change the burka into mini skirts. The chnage should be gradual. We are talking of the basic rughts of movement, expression, participation in social, political, economic , educational and intellectual activities of Pashtun women.

                    Whatever you dont like in the West like alcohol, divorce, drugs etc are bad for both men and women. When I talk of the West then I mean democracy, development, science, technology, education, research, invention, basic human rights, basic facilities , civic aminities, employment, happiness, wealth etc.

                    Pashtun women are deprived of all such undamental rights and freedoms. She is leading a life of aniamls or worse than that. We cant imagine of woman Pashtun shop keeper, Truck driver, textile engineer, scientist, world level scholar, philosopher, or even a farmer, banker, bus driver, bus conductor, factory worker etc.

                    We keep them in houses for their whole lives and once they come out they are clad like corpses in coffins of burkas, shawls, and sheet of clothing covering their whole bodies. It seems they are the sum totals of evil and if they disclose their faces a bomb will be exploded.

                    They are discriminated in all social and economic or political activities. Even they are stopped from religious activities like going to mosques. This is a terrible situation and this cant be continued for ever with 35 millions of Pashtun women. The day must reach that they break shackles of slavery and lead a respecful lives in the same way and standard as their male counterparts.

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                    • #11
                      I agree there is plight of Pashtun woman in many regards; but the essential regards of Pashtun women she's very honored and cherished in Pashtun society; to portray her as being treated as a "dog" is wholly a distortion. The problem is Pashtun society is facing many internal and external feuds which instigate reactionary attitudes and account for what's happening today. It's not Islam, Pashtunwali or Hijab/Burqa; that oppresses Pashtun women it's factors and impediments which are unnatural to human life both outside and inside Pashtun society which is. There is no dichotomy of Nobel Prize Winners vs. Suicide bombers, both are irrational criteria which has lead the world to decay. The true measure of well being for Pashtun, Tajik, Chinese , Indian, Arab or Eskimo alike is how well we live with our own Intrinsic faculties and the Natural World around us. The Corrupt Extremism of Modern society and the Corrupt Extremism of Harmful traditions are equally to blame; one is not the solution for the other. The solution is to bring us back to a harmony with our natural state. the Burqa/Shawl is only a coffin if we choose to treat it as that; lacking a burqa and shawl can be even greater prison, as we see here in Western societies. We have to look deeper at the reality of what our function in life is really for to direct our efforts towards a better end, for males and females alike.
                      Last edited by ScimitarXEdge; 01-20-2011, 09:58 PM.

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                      • #12
                        It's always, always, a sight of intense amusement and interest when a group of males gather to talk about women's rights, what women need, what women should be treated like, what the problems of women are, what the western woman needs and wants and is like, what the eastern/Pashtun/Muslim woman needs wants and is like, and what women's rights in general means. Whether it's an objective discussion or not, it's always a pleasure to watch.

                        Not to suggest that you males stop it, of course. It's just ... so expected and typical. I will be reading this thread regularly. Interesting perspectives so far, gentlemen.

                        I wonder, though, if those of you who think Pashtun women in general aren't treated very well, what are you doing to make sure your own wife/daughter/mother/sisters and other female family members in your household are treated well?
                        Last edited by Guest; 01-21-2011, 12:12 AM.

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                        • #13
                          i love my mommy too

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                          • #14
                            If in educated Pashtun families the situation is better then its a good news and it means that Modern education is one of the solution to the problem. But how many educated families we have. Very few. Roughly more than 70 % Pashtuns live in rural areas and are uneducated or illiterate. Even my personal experience o educated families is not very encouraging, There will be a gradual change and you may find few Pashtun women with open face in Peshawar but go around in the whole Pashtunkhwah of Lar wo bar and you first may not find a single Pashtun women in markets or social places and if you find them rarely then they will be like sacks of flour or bundles of clothing, moving around like dead bodies covered in coffins.

                            Islam as misinterpreted by Mullahs is the main reason of depriving the pashtun women from the basic right of movement and expression. Pashtuns before Islam were unaware of the concept of making house as a life time abode for pashtun women and to cover them in clothing like an undemonstrable firbidden item.

                            The less religious and extremist families let their women to move around freely and dont consider it a sin. For then uncovering the hair of a woman is not the curse of God. They dont follow the concept of Muharram or non Myharram. Women can travel alone and can study in universities and can stay in hostels.

                            There is not a bog issue whether men discuss women issues or women discuss men issues. What matters is the discussion and not who discuss it. However if women discuss their own issues then it will be more natural. But if women dont come forward because of their traditional so called modesty or haya then men should not stop discussing and solviong women issues. Also this is men who enslave women so its better men liberate them and the women should come forward to ask for their due rights.

                            Human beings should lead a natural life and the free movement is a natural right of women. West is our model in all good things.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Roshina View Post
                              It's always, always, a sight of intense amusement and interest when a group of males gather to talk about women's rights, what women need, what women should be treated like, what the problems of women are, what the western woman needs and wants and is like, what the eastern/Pashtun/Muslim woman needs wants and is like, and what women's rights in general means. Whether it's an objective discussion or not, it's always a pleasure to watch.

                              Not to suggest that you males stop it, of course. It's just ... so expected and typical. I will be reading this thread regularly. Interesting perspectives so far, gentlemen.

                              I wonder, though, if those of you who think Pashtun women in general aren't treated very well, what are you doing to make sure your own wife/daughter/mother/sisters and other female family members in your household are treated well?

                              It may come to you with astonishing grievance, but there is a logical fallacy that feminist doctrines tend to have; that a source being a male one somehow discredits the message.

                              Genetic Fallacies do not somehow become justified because a feminist employs them.

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