Can God exist and not exist at the same time?

[IamDZJ]

CREATING EVIL THAT TURNS AROUND AND QUESTIONS YOUr OWN CREATION.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

Rephrase this:

MWMN, all I meant was that since you cannot prove that my god does not exist, you have to accept my god as the true one and follow whatever, I, as his unholy emissary, tell you to.

[eyeliner]

we cant blame evil on God, sometimes we bring it on ourselves and ask for it then we turn around and blame God because we are not ready to face the music. If anyone is to blame for evil then its the creation.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

MWMN, all I meant was that since you cannot prove that my god does not exist, you have to accept my god as the true one and follow whatever, I, as his unholy emissary, tell you to.

I am not trying to disprove your god. I am asking you to describe it for us.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The known verifiable forces, currents, events and phenomenons or, a combination of them, that litter the universe. For example, the current floods in Pakhtunkhwa can be blamed upon incessant rainfall, no levies (or whatever the Met department says). It is absolutely despicable If we, and some people will do so surely, call it God's retribution for the unseen sins and evils we believe exist in the Pashtun Watan.
Another point: If God exists, he has been very unfair to the Pashtuns.

You are contradicting yourself.

You are saying that all the forces are natural then you are saying that if God exists, He is cruel.

Secondly,

Why not say that nature is cruel ONLY to Pashtun. How on earth can nature distinguish? The fact that the Pashtun are being hit all the time must say something extraordinary.

Why are you not looking at the factors of history to see where the problem might lie?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Malgariya, this predisposition towards accepting God as the prima mover or the first cause is illogical. I ask again, If something as beautiful, complex and grand as Us and the Universe suggest a Creator and anti-chaos, then the Creator of something as beautiful, complex or grand must be have all these qualities in an even greater degree which, in turn, must mean that he/she/it must itself be created and could not possibly have risen out of nothingness or chaos. Furthermore, define the state of being before the Creation and the relationship of God with it.

You are comparing God based on how humans functions, on how humans are limited.

This world is a transitory period. The fact that we die is a fact that there must be more than meets the eye.

What we know today, we did not know yesterday. What we will know tomorrow we did not know today. Hence, in your lifetime you will not figure it out nor will people in the future. Why? Because the One Who claims to have created it all has said that He cannot be compared to anything.

Now if man has written the Quran, then the person who wrote this clause was one genius.

The fact that man dies proves that some other force it controlling life and death. We come a long way in science but we still have not figured out how to give permanent life to anyone.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Malgare, why? Was he/she/it bored? He could easily summoned some of his angels to play this whole 'I test you-If you fail I burn you-If you pass I award you-But Since I know the end and I created you thus-You guys are just plain stupid' game. Why Create?

If God does not exist, then what is the purpose of life?

[spogmai shaglay]

How can God exist and not exist at the same time...its the belief of individuals.. whether they believe in his existence or they don't....so for an individual based on his/her belief either he exists or he doesn't..cant be both at the same time...

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Contradictory statements.

Malgariya, this predisposition towards accepting God as the prima mover or the first cause is illogical. I ask again, If something as beautiful, complex and grand as Us and the Universe suggest a Creator and anti-chaos, then the Creator of something as beautiful, complex or grand must be have all these qualities in an even greater degree which, in turn, must mean that he/she/it must itself be created and could not possibly have risen out of nothingness or chaos. Furthermore, define the state of being before the Creation and the relationship of God with it.

Malgariya, where is the evidence that one of the attributes of God is that he is eternal? Has God been tested in a laboratory and as a result you came up with a list of attributes, one of which was being eternal? Going by the same thing, I can claim that this Universe is eternal. The Universe is uncreated. Tlhen the 'need' of God would be no more.

Is it fair to that everything is measured in a laboratory?

Secondly, if you are saying that the universe is uncreated then you are going against your own argument of saying that the universe must have the attribute of the one who created it.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

How can God exist and not exist at the same time...its the belief of individuals.. whether they believe in his existence or they don't....so for an individual based on his/her belief either he exists or he doesn't..cant be both at the same time...

So, he exists and does not exist at the same time? You have just said this.

Or is it that God exists and we choose not to believe He exists or He does not exist and we choose to believe that He exists?

[spogmai shaglay]

So, he exists and does not exist at the same time? You have just said this...you got this wrong...

Or is it that God exists and we choose not to believe He exists or He does not exist and we choose to believe that He exists?......it ones belief....he does exist and the ones who believe he doesn't is just their wrong perception.....

Momin u r good at dissecting people's words..

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The bolded part are NOT my words.

[spogmai shaglay]

The bolded part are NOT my words.

bold words are mine....i wanted to reply to each of them separately hence i wrote them next to the respective sentences.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Oh ok...it is hard to read. Could you kindly re-reply but don't do it beside it.

A kind request.

[spogmai shaglay]

whats hard to read????words in bold????

anyways i said that whether God exist or doesn't its one's belief.....he cant exist and not exist at the same time for an individual.....

also Momin.....i firmly believe in the existence of Allah talla... one's who don't believe are mistaken...they don't believe in his existence may be due to some happenings in their lives....and now they don't believe in him and hence his existence....