Evolution theory contradicts the Quran and Hadiths

[faye]

we don't know how they found out about these things. information could have been given to them by the creator in dreams. (ya gotta keep an open mind ;-)

[ScimitarXEdge]

we know ...it's called anthropology , studies have been done on these people and how they acquired the knowledge that they have, in fact many of these Indigenous peoples have a crude understanding of the theory of evolution, truth be told.

This is what the 13th Century Sufi Mystic Rumi once wrote;

We began
as a mineral. We emerged into plant life
and into the animal state, and then into being human,
and always we have forgotten our former states,
except in early spring when we slightly recall
being green again.

From Essential Rumi
by Coleman Barks

[faye]

we? know? assumptions is not knowing.

[ScimitarXEdge]

but derivations is.

[Afghanistan2010]

but derivations is.

First it is related to us by a non-Muslim and also the Evoultion ...
Did you forget :

Quran 49 : 6 :

Sahih International
O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful.

Yusuf Ali
O ye who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest ye harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what ye have done.

Dr. Ghali
O you who have believed, in case an immoral (person) comes to you with a tiding, then (ascertain) the evidence, for that you may afflict a people in ignorance, (and) then you become remorseful for what you have performed.

second if its so , its the opinion of Rumi and those who follow him not that of Allah and his Messenger (peace and blessing be upon him).

[ScimitarXEdge]

First it is related to us by a non-Muslim and also the Evoultion ...
Did you forget :

Ibn Khaldun says,
This world with all the created things in it has a certain order and solid construction. It shows nexuses between causes and things caused, combinations of some parts of creation with others, and transformations of some existent things into others, in a pattern that is both remarkable and endless. [...]

One should then take a look at the world of creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner, to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedless plants. The last stage of plants, such as palms and vines, is connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power of touch. The word 'connection' with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the fist stage of the newest group.

The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and preception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man. This is as far as our (physical) observation extends. [pp 74-75]

ya Allah please save these Saudi Brainwashed Kharijis from Jahiliyah ..ameen

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your sentence reminds me of the Nation of Gods and Earths' ideology, which is blasphemous and a "shirk" in Islam.

actually it's taken from a verse in the Qur'an





talk about committing shirk :O

[faye]

so a modern day anthropoligist can tell us all? you have a lot of 'faith' in these people scimitar.
do you think that the creator/allah manifested reality then went to sleep or had/has no further involvement?

[ScimitarXEdge]

[/U]second if its so , its the opinion of Rumi :

Rumi is following the correct interpretation of Muhammad(saw) and the Qur'an; because it comes from Nature and Nature is governed by Allah(swt).

[ScimitarXEdge]

O.K, let's!

it's an expression; I was referring to how you didn't know that what I wrote was describing something the Qur'an says, that God is the best of planners

you calling it shirk, is itself shirk lol

[ScimitarXEdge]

according to the Scholars of the Ahl Al-Sunnah wal Jam'ah

Rumi was an Orthodox Muslim; and therefore his opinions are in line with Islam

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID

Was Rumi an orthodox Muslim or a universal mystic beyond the rigid confines of orthodoxy?
Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani


Question:
Was Rumi an orthodox Muslim or a universal mystic beyond the rigid confines of orthodoxy?
Answer:

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

Read:

Rumi and Self-Discovery

This article explains how Mawlana Rumi was an orthodox Muslim, and shows the emptiness of the claims of him being,

"... a maverick, an individualist, unafraid to be a "free spirit," a wild
mystic who is crazed with passion, an inspired poet who is
spontaneous and sensual, and a universal mystic who ignores the
Muslim authorities and their "uptight" religious laws."

The author of this article tells us that,

"In an authentic quatrain composed by Rumi, he tells us:

I am the servant of the Qur'an as long as I have life.
I am the dust on the path of Muhammad, the Chosen one.
If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings,
I am quit of him and outraged by these words.

...

[--Rumi's Quatrain No. 1173, translated by Ibrahim Gamard and
Ravan Farhadi in 'The Quatrains of Rumi,' an unpublished
manuscript]

[Here, the Persian word 'bezar' translated as 'quit of' and
'outraged' also means disgusted, fed-up, repelled, estranged. The
meaning is that no one should interpret Rumi's speech and poetry
as having meanings that do not conform to the revelation and
practice of Islam.] "

Rumi and Self-Discovery

And Allah alone gives success.

Wassalam.

Faraz Rabbani

[ScimitarXEdge]

I was calling The 5% Nation's ideology blasphemous, which I'm sure you would aswell.

well you were referring to my sentence ...which is in the Qur'an

so you claiming it's 5% then you're committing shirk

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm confused ...explain how exactly do you see a connection?

[faye]

lol, yes, we all know that u are confused.

[ScimitarXEdge]

hahahha ....yeah but Muhammad(saw) also called the people of his time jahils for their ways

sorry your claim doesn't demonstrate that the two are logically equivalent

you're making false association which shows your premise is a logical fallacy.