Evolution theory contradicts the Quran and Hadiths

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lol, yes, we all know that u are confused.

and what does that say about you; that even in my "confusion" i have managed to dispatch ignorant and uneducated fools like yourself. with ease

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and what does that say about you; that even in my "confusion" i have managed to dispatch ignorant and uneducated fools like yourself. with ease

stop taking yourself so bloody seriously. i was only kidding

so if genocide is accepted by yourself as 'natural selection' and the superior race rules, why do you rail against the west? for 'the theory of evolution' does that not mean they are superior and a step forward in evolution?
i mean to say, you accept that for the aboriginals.

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Rumi was just a scholar , as Ghazali and they did many many many things wrong and their word is not above the words of the Prophet (pbuh) or Allah the most high, therefor his opinion is to be rejected because its bidah.

Every newly intervented things/matter into our deen is bidah and every bidah is misguidance and every misguidance is in hell or is it not that (from our master Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)

I reject everyone who goes against Allah and his Messenger.

Until now you havent answered where do you know that all is meant literally ?...

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did they? That's the question; Natural Selection sadly has made them no longer viable in the greater ecosystem, hence why they've been over run by Europeans. Now Don't get me wrong, I believe in the merits of the Aborigines, but their lack of developing skills and abilities is precisely what made them vulnerable to European colonialism. That lack in turn has lead to their virtual extinction.

Let's also not forget Mortality rates with aborgines was higher regardless of European interventions; (albeist I do admit to European crimes against nature and the aborigines).

It's also what made us vulnerable to a lesser degree; we still have some fight in us and there's people like myself who can see the errors of our ways and know how to curtail the hostile elements impinging on our ecological domain, both internal and external.

Europeans were destined to dominate the planet as they have. What they choose to do during domination was a choice. The Aborigines, middle eastern, Chinese, Japanese, etc are not intellectual inferior to the Europeans as a people. The West's success in rising and dominating has more to do with their location on the planet rather than natural selection.

The europeans tried very hard to convince themselves and the rest of the world that they are in fact intellectually superior because of natural selection but it is false.
Darwin's racism - YouTube

The descent of Man written by Darwin led to central Europeans believing in Nordicism.

http://dienekes.110mb.com/texts/nordicism_revisited.pdf

It wasnt just Hitler who took this to the extreme but also the English.
BBC - History - Ancient History in depth: Piltdown Man: Britain's Greatest Hoax

The English tried to make the world believe that the fake piltdown man skull was discovered in England therefore the English were more evolved than other humans and the english should be humanities natural leaders.

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RUMI was a bacha baz and a sufi.

how in the hell did he become relevant when we talk about Islam.

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Rumi was just a scholar , as Ghazali and they did many many many things wrong and their word is not above the words of the Prophet (pbuh) or Allah the most high, therefor his opinion is to be rejected because its bidah.

Every newly intervented things/matter into our deen is bidah and every bidah is misguidance and every misguidance is in hell or is it not that (from our master Muhammad (peace and blessing of Allah be upon him)

I reject everyone who goes against Allah and his Messenger.

Until now you havent answered where do you know that all is meant literally ?...

To be against Islam or Bid'ah something has to contradict or Oppose the signs of Allah(swt); since Nature and it's properties are the Signs of Allah(swt) what Rumi said is actually consistent with Islam, the teachings of Muhammad(saw) and the Qur'an. Anyone who's ideas conform with the signs of Allah(swt) is following legitimate conclusions.



But your argument Contradicts Nature and the Signs of Allah(swt) and therefore cannot be from Islam; you're following Christian dogma and claiming it to be from the Nabi(saw) or the Qur'an; which is Unbelief

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Europeans were destined to dominate the planet as they have. What they choose to do during domination was a choice. The Aborigines, middle eastern, Chinese, Japanese, etc are not intellectual inferior to the Europeans as a people. The West's success in rising and dominating has more to do with their location on the planet rather than natural selection.

Natural selection simply means that a group becomes more viable or less viable against hostile elements and forces in our environment. It doesn't necessarily denote the superiority

But it's not as complicated as you make it; But the reasoning is simple; Aren't Hard-working focused people who look for answers and solutions to problems more viable than people who are lazy, incompetent and unmotivated?

THis is what happened; Muslims were at one time Naturally Selected to be more Dominant than Europeans ....and now we live under their foot

the reason why is because we got lazy.

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RUMI was a bacha baz and a sufi.

how in the hell did he become relevant when we talk about Islam.

If that was true then the Orthodox Ulama wouldn't have considered him a Scholar



Here is a Fatwa by Sunni scholars which proves you're wrong

Mawlana Jalal al-Din ar-Rumi "misguided"?

Mawlana Jalal al-Din ar-Rumi "misguided"?
Answered by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad


Question:
A group of people distributed a pamphlet as usual at the local masjid. However in this issue there was one thing that was intriguing and I would like to seek some clarifications. Under the section "Those who have gone astray in the history of Islam" they name Jalaal-ud-Deen Ar-Rumi. They say that: "being a sufi, he is from among those who have gone astray in the history of Islam. He is the author of the book Al-Mathnawi. He invited people to the Aqeedah of Wahdat-ul-Wujoud and to the Aqeedah of the oneness/unity of all religions and it is because of these that the kuffaar presents him as a Hero of Islam."

The pamphlet continued by citing examples in his book where they say he invited to this false Aqeedah and at the end of the article the salafi explain the Aqeedah of Wahdat-ul-Wujoud. They say: it is the most false, disgusting and corrupt Aqeedah that may have ever existed. It is the conception that only the existence of Allah Ta'alah is true, everything else is non-existent, i.e. everything that exists is Allah and Allah is everything that is existing. A corrupt and false Aqeedah that is propagated by the sufis.

Now I would like to have some clarifications on these issues; who is Jalaal-ud-Deen Ar-Rumi, what is the Aqeedah of Wahdat-ul-Wujoud, is what they claim true or wrong?
Answer:

Wa `alaykum as-Salam wa rahmatullah:

Mawlana Jalal al-Din al-Rumi (d. 672) was the son, father, and grandfather of great Sunni Hanafi Jurists, teachers, and qadis, originating from Balkh or Kabul and settled in and around Istanbul. Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani in al-Durar al-Kamina (1:352) cites him as "Mawlana" in the vibrant notice on his son Baha' al-Din Ahmad, known as Sultan ibn Mawlana, "one of the Imams of the Hanafi Masters, the brilliant, ascetic, pious Faqih, Usuli, and grammarian who trod the path of his father in leaving the world behind."

Mawlana's full name is Muhammad ibn Muhammad (ibn Muhammad) ibn al-Hasan ibn Ahmad ibn Qasim ibn Habib ibn `Abd Allah ibn `Abd al-Rahman ibn Abi Bakr al-Siddiq al-Hashimi. Hajji Khalifa said in Kashf al-Zunun (1:367): "He was a thoroughly knowledgeable Imam in Fiqh according to the School of Abu Hanifa - Allah be well-pleased with him - and he was knowledgeable in the science of juridical differences, then he devoted himself to worship exclusively. Miraculous gifts (karaamaat) are mass-transmitted from him. Allah have mercy on him."

He is known in the West as a "mystical" poet, mostly because of the translation of his large Persian book of poetry of singular beauty, the Mathnawi.

As for the claim that "He invited people to the Aqeedah of Wahdat-ul-Wujoud and to the Aqeedah of the oneness/unity of all religions", then Allah Most High said, {Say: Bring your proof if you are truthful} and He said, {O you who believe! If an evil liver bring you tidings, verify it, lest you smite some folk in ignorance and afterward repent of what you did}.

As for the statement "being a sufi, he is from among those who have gone astray in the history of Islam" it would be fair to say that this statement constitutes kufr because it attributes misguidance to the massive majority of the elite of this Umma.

It is a sign of the Divine power that Allah makes many purported disbelievers love and respect this Friend of Allah -- Jalal al-Din Rumi -- over seven centuries after his death while He makes some purported Muslims attack him and reveal themselves as corrupt enviers and friends of Shaytan.

Hajj Gibril

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you are bringing me some fatwa but what im talking about is coming from his own poetry.
other thing is this guy incorporated dancing(swirling around) into Islam.

because of that guy many Afghans have gone the wrong way,for example instead of saying Bismilaherahmanalrahim most farsiwaans(especially the modern ones)would say a poem of rumi.

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you are bringing me some fatwa but what im talking about is coming from his own poetry.
other thing is this guy incorporated dancing(swirling around) into Islam.

because of that guy many Afghans have gone the wrong way,for example instead of saying Bismilaherahmanalrahim most farsiwaans(especially the modern ones)would say a poem of rumi.

If his poetry insinuated "bacha Baz" as you claim; then why would the Sunni Ulama consider him an honored scholar and a Wali Allah? Where is your proof?

Afghans have gone astray because Afghans were not good Muslims in the first place, they follow their culture more than Islam....Rumi himself never encouraged that.

Afghans dance and swirl around in Attan, and you claim Pashtun culture is 100% Islamic.


For someone who thinks Arabs are the worst Muslims; I find it strange you follow the Wahhabi Doctrine manufactured by the same Immoral Saudi Monarchies who do all the things you condemn.

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If his poetry insinuated "bacha Baz" as you claim; then why would the Sunni Ulama consider him an honored scholar and a Wali Allah? Where is your proof?

Afghans have gone astray because Afghans were not good Muslims in the first place, they follow their culture more than Islam....Rumi himself never encouraged that.

Afghans dance and swirl around in Attan, and you claim Pashtun culture is 100% Islamic.


For someone who thinks Arabs are the worst Muslims; I find it strange you follow the Wahhabi Doctrine manufactured by the same Immoral Saudi Monarchies who do all the things you condemn.

Those ullama also condemn resisatnce to american invasion of Afghanistan
Wash your filthy mouth before speaking about afghans you lowlife.
Afghans are the only ones to defend their religion and honour unlike you people who submit to any colonist.

I never claimed pashtun culture was 100% islamic,but offcourse since you are a pathetic liar,its ok.

unlike the faggot rumi we dont incorporate attan into our religion.


im not following wahabi doctrine,im a hanafi ,and yes you present day arabs are the worst (cant say muslim cuz there are millions of arabs non muslims).

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Those ullama also condemn resisatnce to american invasion of Afghanistan
Wash your filthy mouth before speaking about afghans you lowlife.
Afghans are the only ones to defend their religion and honour unlike you people who submit to any colonist.

I never claimed pashtun culture was 100% islamic,but offcourse since you are a pathetic liar,its ok.

unlike the faggot rumi we dont incorporate attan into our religion.


im not following wahabi doctrine,im a hanafi ,and yes you present day arabs are the worst (cant say muslim cuz there are millions of arabs non muslims).

Hanafi is a school of Fiqh, not a doctrine; subhanAllah you're so beswad you don't know the difference between Fiqh and Aqeedah. And if you're following Hanafi Madh'hab why do your opinions resemble Hanbali scholars from the Arab Gulf region

Hanafi scholars don't condemn dance or Rumi.


You said Arabs are the worst MUSLIMS; the non-Muslim thing didn't factor into any of this .

If Afghans are the ONLY ones defending their religion; why are the Egyptians, Iraqis, Chechnians, Uzbeks, all repelling Imperialism as we speak by overthrowing their governments; why is the Puppet Afghan government still in power; why are Taliban killing more of their own people than NATO forces?

So Stop trying to portray Afghans like they're God's chosen people. If Afghans weren't submitting to colonialists; then Afghanistan wouldn't exist. Afghanistan as a state is a product of colonialism.

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Hanafi is a school of Fiqh, not a doctrine; subhanAllah you're so beswad you don't know the difference between Fiqh and Aqeedah. And if you're following Hanafi Madh'hab why do your opinions resemble Hanbali scholars from the Arab Gulf region

thats your false observation,just in other thread iw as resembling a christian accordign to you.

Hanafi scholars don't condemn dance or Rumi.

condemning is one thing and making it part of religion is another.you are twisting things.

You said Arabs are the worst MUSLIMS; the non-Muslim thing didn't factor into any of this .

If Afghans are the ONLY ones defending their religion; why are the Egyptians, Iraqis, Chechnians, Uzbeks, all repelling Imperialism as we speak by overthrowing their governments; why is the Puppet Afghan government still in power; why are Taliban killing more of their own people than NATO forces?

You why's are irrelevant and out of bound.
why are those you mentioned waking up now after being mentality and pysically colonised for centuries.
im nto talking abotu their little revolution which will actually bring colonisation since the NATO is helping them all the way.

Who says taliban are killing more of their own people than NATO forces? oh UN report i see
So Stop trying to portray Afghans like they're God's chosen people. If Afghans weren't submitting to colonialists; then Afghanistan wouldn't exist. Afghanistan as a state is a product of colonialism.

LOL

you are such an educated fool,how is the hell is Afghanistan product of colonisation?

you should not believe everything you read about Afghanistan and if you dare go visit Afghanistan to feel the effect.

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LOL

you are such an educated fool,how is the hell is Afghanistan product of colonisation?

you should not believe everything you read about Afghanistan and if you dare go visit Afghanistan to feel the effect.

thats your false observation.

Then why are you accusing Rumi of Bacha Baz, that's only something that Saudi funded Wahhabis do.

,just in other thread iw as resembling a christian accordign to you

Being against the theory of Evolution is apart of the Christian Fanatics Movement;

as I have proven plenty of Muslim Scholars proved the Theory of Evolution long before Darwin and none were called kufar or apostates and their ideas were accepted.


Ibn Khaldun says in Muqaddimah
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"The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and to reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of the monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of actual reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man after (the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends."

condemning is one thing and making it part of religion is another.you are twisting things.

If he made it apart of religion , then the Scholars; (not the Wahhabis Saudis that you follow of course) would have condemned him. There's no proof that he made it a reliigious Law

Bring your proof if you're truthful.

You why's are irrelevant and out of bound.
why are those you mentioned waking up now after being mentality and pysically colonised for centuries.

If it's irrelevant; why does British created Pakistan have control over half of the Pashtun population. And why do these Pashtuns consider themselves Pakistani by an overwhelming majority.

That's mentally and phyiscally colonized.

im nto talking abotu their little revolution which will actually bring colonisation since the NATO is helping them all the way.

You mean just like how the Taliban are being helped by British created Pakistan which is proven by Wikileaks, a source that you support.

WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

how is the hell is Afghanistan product of colonisation?

read for yourself; the Modern Afghan State was created by the British;

Modern Afghanistan: a history of ... - Google Books

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you are a piece of ****.