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  • #31
    You are ****ing retard, genetic defect is quite rare, but still having a chance of twice as much geting it if you marry relatives proof that cousing marriage is bad. We talk here about genetics you retard the precentage here would be ofcourse really small, its always small, still 2X higher chance a person with normal brains would not risk it.

    “Thirty-one per cent of all anomalies in children of Pakistani origin could be attributed to consanguinity” or marriage between first cousins, said the study.

    Fynny how you skipped this part. The other anomalies are due to bad health conditions and what not. Still this is quite a big number.
    That says "could be" you nincompoop and not "is". A 1.5% increase is not significant plus the study has flaws that are noted here:
    Marriage between first cousins is highly stigmatized in the West and, indeed, is illegal in 31 US states. But is the hostility to such marriage scientifically well-grounded?

    But for several reasons, any overall calculation of risk is in fact quite complicated. First, even assuming that the deleterious phenotype arises solely from homozygosity at a single locus, the increased risk depends on the frequency of the allele involved; it is not an immediate consequence of the degree of relatedness between cousins. (Interestingly, despite the British biometricians' harsh criticism of Mendelism, they were the first to describe this dependency in 1911 [17,18].) If a deleterious recessive allele has a frequency q, the ratio of the recessive phenotype in the offspring of first cousins relative to a panmictic population is (1 + 15q)/16q, which means the increase in risk is greater for rarer conditions [19]. For example, if q is 0.01, the ratio is 7.2; if q is 0.001, it is 63.4. Consequently, statistics on the risks associated with cousin marriage are necessarily averages across many traits, and they are likely to be different for different populations, which will often vary in the frequency of particular deleterious alleles. In the Pakistani immigrant population, for example, the quoted high average rate of birth defects may mask a single trait (or small number of traits) at very high frequency, a situation with different medical consequences from one characterized by a larger number of less-frequent disorders.


    Second, children of cousin marriages are likely to manifest an increased frequency of birth defects showing polygenic inheritance and interacting with environmental variation. But as the NSGC report notes, calculating the increased frequency of such quantitative traits is not straightforward, and properly controlled studies are lacking. Moreover, socio-economic and other environmental influences will vary among populations, which can easily confound the effects of consanguinity. Inbred populations, including British Pakistanis, are often poor. The mother may be malnourished to begin with, and families may not seek or have access to good prenatal care, which may be unavailable in their native language [20]. Hence it is difficult to separate out genetic from socio-economic and other environmental factors.


    Third, as the report also notes, the degree of increased risk depends on the mean coefficient of inbreeding for the population. That is, whether first-cousin marriage is an occasional or regular occurrence in the study population matters, and it is thus inappropriate to extrapolate findings from largely outbred populations with occasional first-cousin marriages to populations with high coefficients of inbreeding and vice-versa. Standard calculations, such as the commonly cited 3% additional risk, examine a pedigree in which the ancestors (usually grandparents) are assumed to be unrelated. In North America, marriages between consanguineal kin are strongly discouraged. But such an assumption is unwarranted in the case of UK Pakistanis, who have emigrated from a country where such marriage is traditional and for whom it is estimated that roughly 55%–59% of marriages continue to be between first cousins [21–23]. Thus, the usual risk estimates are misleading: data from the English West Midlands suggest that British Pakistanis account for only ~4.1% of births, but about 33% of the autosomal recessive metabolic errors recorded at birth [24]. However, for a variety of reasons (including fear that a cousin marriage would result in their being blamed for any birth defects), UK Pakistanis are less likely to use prenatal testing and to terminate pregnancies [20,25]. Thus the population attributable risk of genetic diseases at birth due to inbreeding may be skewed by prenatal elimination of affected fetuses in non-inbred populations. Moreover, the consequences of prolonged inbreeding are not always obvious. The uniting of deleterious recessives by inbreeding may also lead to these alleles being purged from the population. The frequency of such deleterious alleles, then, may be decreased, which (as shown above) means the relative risk is greater, even as the absolute risk decreases.

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    • #32
      The rate of children with Down's syndrome in some Arab countries exceeds the 1.2-1.7 per 1000 typical for industrialised countries. This may be related to the relatively high proportion of births to older mothers in the region (up to 50% of children with Down's syndrome in the region are estimated to be born to mothers aged 40 or over)1 2 7 w3
      Thats talking about age rather than genes as the cause. Do you even read what you copy paste? You need to stop drinking alcohol, it is killing the very few brain cells you have.

      You have diseases that are higher in certain ethnic groups for example cystic fibrosis in Caucasians, beta thalassemia in Italians, sickle cell in Blacks, phenylketonuria in Irish and Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi Jews.
      Last edited by khushal; 02-01-2016, 05:22 PM.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by khushal View Post
        Thats talking about age rather than genes as the cause. Do you even read what you copy paste? You need to stop drinking alcohol, they are killing the very few brain cells you have.

        You have diseases that are higher in certain ethnic groups for example cystic fibrosis in Caucasians, beta thalassemia in Italians, sickle cell in Blacks, phenylketonuria in Irish and Tay-Sachs in Ashkenazi Jews.
        why are you such a retard. I hope you never have babies, you are poluting the gene pool.

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        • #34
          Khushal, Barakzai etc.. need to be shipped to Tajikistan, I really would love to see what Tajik Govt will do with these jahil mullahs. I hope all muslim countries take major steps against these mullahs, its time we get rid of them all

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          • #35
            Marriage between cousins is stupid from a sociological perspective as well as a biological one. In so many cultures, cousins live like siblings because they don't have to worry about unwanted attention from their cousins once they grow up but afghans have to worry about living lives limited to the exposure of a social group consisting of those who have seen them grow up butt naked or marry to live a depressing life next door to where they were born. Where is the fun in that?? Where is the opportunity for young men and women to get aquinted with members of the opposite gender without putting themselves in vulnerable situations that lead to morally questionable acts?? Half of the men who drool at the sight of women in Afghanistan do it because they have never had the opportunity to interact with women that they were not used to looking at from a sexual point of view and the other half of them emotionally, verbally, physically and sexually abuse their partners and siblings due to the alienation they have been subjected from an early age.

            This would not be a problem if more youngsters assimilated with each other more often and had other topics bringing them together rather than marriage and the other thing.

            Banning Arabic names is a bit too much. Limiting a parent from choosing a certain name for their child is stepping on their toes and denying them their rights. Besides, names don't make people who they are and some Arabic names are beautiful. Tajiks with Russian names are *cringe* boring and so non familiar. It's bad enough that they lost that big chunk of their written language history, they don't need to make it any worse than it already is.

            "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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            • #36
              Originally posted by Karachi View Post
              Khushal, Barakzai etc.. need to be shipped to Tajikistan, I really would love to see what Tajik Govt will do with these jahil mullahs. I hope all muslim countries take major steps against these mullahs, its time we get rid of them all
              It is because those gov took violent steps to get rid of them that created instability in the first place. Force will only bring destruction to the society. It is the people that must make that decision, not you.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                Marriage between cousins is stupid from a sociological perspective as well as a biological one. In so many cultures, cousins live like siblings because they don't have to worry about unwanted attention from their cousins once they grow up but afghans have to worry about living lives limited to the exposure of a social group consisting of those who have seen them grow up butt naked or marry to live a depressing life next door to where they were born. Where is the fun in that?? Where is the opportunity for young men and women to get aquinted with members of the opposite gender without putting themselves in vulnerable situations that lead to morally questionable acts?? Half of the men who drool at the sight of women in Afghanistan do it because they have never had the opportunity to interact with women that they were not used to looking at from a sexual point of view and the other half of them emotionally, verbally, physically and sexually abuse their partners and siblings due to the alienation they have been subjected from an early age.

                This would not be a problem if more youngsters assimilated with each other more often and had other topics bringing them together rather than marriage and the other thing.

                Banning Arabic names is a bit too much. Limiting a parent from choosing a certain name for their child is stepping on their toes and denying them their rights. Besides, names don't make people who they are and some Arabic names are beautiful. Tajiks with Russian names are *cringe* boring and so non familiar. It's bad enough that they lost that big chunk of their written language history, they don't need to make it any worse than it already is.
                What are you blabbering about. Your stupidity and Khostias stupidity is not because yours and his parents are cousins, it is because you and him refuse to accept evidence. Stop trying to make stuff up and accept reality.

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                • #38
                  **** off or go talk to a monkey. Maybe you will understand that better.

                  "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                    Khushal, Barakzai etc.. need to be shipped to Tajikistan, I really would love to see what Tajik Govt will do with these jahil mullahs. I hope all muslim countries take major steps against these mullahs, its time we get rid of them all
                    LOOOOL. Oh Crotchee, you still kow towing to the white girls at work? Pertending to be a moderate born again Muslim so that "Jennifer" will give you the time of day? I guess the "I'll take you on romantic getaways to the Maldives" wasn't working out for you in your online get a wife attempts?

                    Dumb b-itch - the reason for the militancy in Tajikistan is the very repression that the post Soviet government has been carrying out for decades now.

                    It would be the same situation had Afghanistan been under that piece of trash Najib and in the post Soviet axis.

                    The only thing its time for is for you to go buy a mail order bride and quit acting like a castrated donkey.
                    "2 crackheads don't become any better or stronger by sharing the same crack pipe." - Greatest PF quote

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by DaZahroJaam. View Post
                      **** off or go talk to a monkey. Maybe you will understand that better.
                      Just because you have learned how to cuss from the wild ghetto streets of Canada does not bring doubt about you being a monkey or at least acting like one.
                      Last edited by khushal; 02-01-2016, 05:21 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by khushal View Post
                        Just because you have learned how to cuss from the wild street ghettos of Canada does not bring doubt about you being a monkey or at least acting like one.
                        You are hurting my feelings.

                        "To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."





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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by marwat View Post
                          do you have comprehension problems? i am a conservative muslim from KP not from Afghanistan and have said nothing which goes against the spirit of islam.
                          i have problem with moron picking arabic names for their children to make them holy, which is not, all the big kafir of makkah have arbaic names.
                          there is difference between arab culture and islam.
                          How so? Isn't Islam basically a mixture of Hejazi(Arab) culture + some Abrahamic Semitic elements + some foreign influence? I do agree with the hypocrisy of people naming their kids after prophets just so they can yell their name every day.
                          Last edited by sterge; 12-23-2016, 09:29 PM.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Karachi View Post
                            Very Good Idea, while people in countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, are still worshiping arabs, and are basically dogs of arabs licking their feets. There is no dignity in a people who worships others, might as well kill themselves
                            Correction: Muslims worship Allah, unlike

                            Some people in Pakistan go a little too far in their worship and start camping at burial sites of aulias, having langars there, sometimes they get in a trance and jive, some go as far as praying there, asking these dead people to do 'wasta'!!!!!

                            So who were you calling dogs and Arab worshippers? Don't bother.

                            Oh and the other issue, Tajikistan, I guess they've found their salvation from the problems of the world. Reminds me of some people who tried to dissuade me from naming my son Ahmad or Mohammed. They said, "he will be labeled!", I replied, "good".
                            Last edited by torkham; 12-24-2016, 04:19 PM.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by torkham View Post
                              Correction: Muslims worship Allah, unlike

                              Some people in Pakistan go a little too far in their worship and start camping at burial sites of aulias, having langars there, sometimes they get in a trance and jive, some go as far as praying there, asking these dead people to do 'wasta'!!!!!

                              So who were you calling dogs and Arab worshippers? Don't bother.

                              Oh and the other issue, Tajikistan, I guess they've found their salvation from the problems of the world. Reminds me of some people who tried to dissuade me from naming my son Ahmad or Mohammed. They said, "he will be labeled!", I replied, "good".
                              correction: Karachi is right.

                              if muslims worship allah then why they have to pray towards mecca? and go to haj in mecca? haha i stopped doing this. i no longer arab slave. you remain arab slave arab worshipper feet licker.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by torkham View Post
                                Correction: Muslims worship Allah, unlike

                                Some people in Pakistan go a little too far in their worship and start camping at burial sites of aulias, having langars there, sometimes they get in a trance and jive, some go as far as praying there, asking these dead people to do 'wasta'!!!!!

                                So who were you calling dogs and Arab worshippers? Don't bother.

                                Oh and the other issue, Tajikistan, I guess they've found their salvation from the problems of the world. Reminds me of some people who tried to dissuade me from naming my son Ahmad or Mohammed. They said, "he will be labeled!", I replied, "good".
                                Burdening your child with stigma and being an outcast just so that you feel good about yourself is quite shamefull. You live in USA, the most segregated en racist county of the Western world. People like you should not be a parent at all.

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