Defiant Mali Islamists pursue wrecking of Timbuktu

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

^ do you agree with the saud salafis destroying islamic heritage in Makkah and then building luxury malls, luxury hotels, starbucks etc.... over them?

I agree with demolishing what you consider Islamic heritage. Because Islamic heritage is in books. Not in brinks and graves.

Those hotels are primarily used by Hujjaj. Where else do you want millions of pilgrims to stay?

I dont like the starbucks and luxury malls. But well, Arabs in Gulf region are very shallow materialistic people. They lack Islamic education.

[کیش]

These boys are bunch of gang bangers with an arsenal. I don't think they truly know how to implement "Sharia" properly; they're not well educated on the verses of the Quran, nor the narrations of the Prophet p b u h. By boys am talking about all "Islamic" movements in the world.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

lol @ these wahabbis being an islamic movement and the idiots that support them.

"forget social programs that help the poor and increase our standing with the population, lets destroy some shrines!!"

what do you expect, these guys are obsessed with three things ...grave sites, beards ...and people having sex

not surprising considering Shamlawar used to have threesomes with Jahangir (Hazrat parsi).

[randolph85]

hahaha i remember parsi.

[Afghanistan2010]

Yes but the people of Madina were outright Kufars, who prayed to these shrines as conduits for Pagan worship.

These shrines and monuments are Islamic, they honour great men of Islam who have contributed to our din and our community. If a few people err in their ways, they should be taught this is not right. Even those that err, NEVER ASSOCIATE THE PIRS WITH ALLAH, they simply ask the Pirs to intercede on their behalf with Allah

Wrong? Possibly, but not to be compared to the Prophets destruction of the shrines of Madina. Such a drastic action was necessary as all of Arabia was Pagan, and such actions were necessary to cleanse the land of this practise

In addition, despite the lack of Buddhists in Afghanistan for thousands of years, the Buddhas were still destroyed.

Salafiya are a conspiracy against Islam to destroy indigineous cultures, to ruin Islams name, and to keep the people stupid and in the dark, unaware of great Islamic events and men, thus leaving the people succeptible to shirk and kufr

Verily Allah has showed us what actions are required to deal with these Salafis, who respect nothing.

Listen brother,

this issue is being rised by the disbelieving people to make differencies among,to make us fight eachother,they want that muslim kill eachother in mali aswell,they will start weaponing people another country that will have infighting,war,terrorism,criminalism and in the end it will get some foreign troops on its soil.


we respect every single individual who has given anything but littel to islam and helped the cause of Allah and his beloved Messenger (pbuh).

but respect has its limits,these people had many beliefs because they had no knowledge what has been going around them in the world,beliefs which are not part of islam.

Building shrines on the graves of those people is haram in islam,even the Prophet (pbuh) said for himself,not to build any shrine on his grave.

They did not harm the grave,but that what mas man made over the grave,how can this be part of history of islam....but those graves are stil there ...they opened a door to the mosque the people believed will never open,just to vanish this false view,they again closed it.


We all condemn what Saudi Arabia has done to the history of islam,by destroying the houses of the companions of the Prophet (pbuh),the house of the prophet (pbuh) and other historical important places of islam,may wrath of Allah be upon those who do bad to islam.

And verily Saudi Arabia is a criminal state,sponsered by its American allies.

[Afghanistan2010]

^ do you agree with the saud salafis destroying islamic heritage in Makkah and then building luxury malls, luxury hotels, starbucks etc.... over them?

We condemn it,and we will take as muslims our revenge for it,inshaAllah Syria is just the beginning,we look forward to the day,when Saud and its family escape with a Boeing 737 to the United States.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

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Building shrines on the graves of those people is haram in islam,even the Prophet (pbuh) said for himself,not to build any shrine on his grave.

everyone please keep note Afghanistan2010's argument is not the beliefs of Ahl Al-Sunnah Wal Jama'ah but of Wahhabiyyah. He comes from a Wahhabi sect..

His deviant ideas have been refuted by the Scholars of Ahl Al-Sunnah Wal Jam'ah

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=15061&hd=3&cate=331&t=rss

Question:
You mentioned in a previous answer that it is permissible to build over graves. Isn’t there a hadith in which the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) ordered the leveling of every elevated structure that is constructed over graves? And didn’t Imam Shafi`i give a fatwa forbidding people from building over graves?
Answer:

The Position of the Four Schools



I do not recall mentioning in any of my answers simply that it is “permissible to build over graves”. Rather, I went into great detail in my answer and mentioned the ruling of building over graves both in the Shafi`i school and in other schools. I mentioned that the relied-upon position in the Shafi`i school (i.e. the position of both Imam Nawawi and Imam Rafi`i) is that if the grave is built in an area that is endowed as a graveyard [1], it is unlawful to build over the grave because it blocks others from burying someone else in that area in the future. The ruling in this case does not change, regardless of whether the grave belongs to a righteous person, a scholar, or anyone else. If, however, the grave is dug in a privately-owned area, then it is offensive to build over the grave, but not unlawful.



Understanding the Hadith of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace)



As for the Prophet’s (Allah bless him and give him peace) command that every elevated structure over graves be demolished, it is, in fact, rigorously authenticated from him. Imam Muslim narrated in his Sahih via Abu al-Hayyaj al-Asadi (Allah be pleased with him) that he said,



“`Ali b. Abi Talib asked me, “Shall I not send you to do what the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) sent me to do?—That you leave no figure except that you erase it, nor an elevated grave except that you level it.”



Imam Muslim also narrated via Jabir that he said, “The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) forbade the plastering of graves, sitting on them, or building over them.”



Imam Nawawi explained this hadith in his commentary on Sahih Muslim:



“As for building upon [a grave], then if (a) [the earth on which the grave is built] belongs to the one who builds over it, [building over it] it is offensive, whereas if (b) it is in a public graveyard, then it is unlawful. Imam Shafi`i and the early scholars of his school have explicitly said this. Shafi`i said in his book, al-Umm, “I have seen the scholars of Mecca command the demolition of [graves] that are built over. Such demolition is supported by the hadith, “… nor an elevated grave except that you level it …””



Imam Nawawi’s quoting from Imam Shafi`i (Allah be pleased with him) explains the answer to the last part of the question above. [h: i.e., that his words have been understood by the scholars of his school to refer to public graveyards]



Other Positions



This is the relied-upon position of our school. There are, however, three other scholarly positions on the issue which have their own scholarly proofs. Among these positions is what is related by Imam Badr al-Din al-Zarkashi in the book, al-Khadim, from the great scholar and imam, Sharaf al-Din al-Ansari about the Qarafa graveyard [which is a famous graveyard in Cairo]. Among the things that Shaykh Sharaf al-Din al-Ansari mentioned is that the early Muslims (Allah be pleased with them) witnessed what happened in the Qarafa graveyard […] in previous ages; grave-visitation areas (turab) and places of residence (dur) were built [over graves] in it, and none of the scholars of the times condemned it, neither by word, nor by deed. He then said, “They built inside it the dome of Imam Shafi`i along with his school, and the same was done with all the other graves that are now sites of visitation.”



One of the late Shafi`i scholars has said that these words of Sharaf al-Din al-Ansari indicate that building over graves in a public graveyard is not unlawful, and if it is not unlawful in public graveyards, then it is a fortiori not unlawful in un-owned land (mawat) or land that belongs to someone who permits building over the grave. All of the above is taken from the Fatawa of Ibn Hajar al-Haytami.



Ibn Hajar also mentions in his Fatawa that [the great hadith scholar] Imam Hakim said in his Mustadrak after mentioning hadiths that prohibit building or writing on graves, “Scholars have not acted upon these hadiths, for the great scholars of the Muslims—east and west—have all had their graves built over, which is something that has been passed on from generation to generation.”





Translator’s Notes



[1] In other words, a public graveyard that is for general use. All Muslims have the right to use such graveyards and the ground that is used to bury one person is usually re-used to bury other people after the body disintegrates. Building over graves in such a graveyard prevents others from re-using that space in the future and is hence unlawful

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[Afghanistan2010]

everyone please keep note Afghanistan2010's argument is not the beliefs of Ahl Al-Sunnah Wal Jama'ah but of Wahhabiyyah. He comes from a Wahhabi sect..

His deviant ideas have been refuted by the Scholars of Ahl Al-Sunnah Wal Jam'ah
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...cate=331&t=rss


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Sunnipath is a biased website,they do things which are forbidden in islam,if you want to come with Ahlus sunnah bring anything from Darul Uloom Deoband,Darul Uloom Karachi,Darul Uloom Haqqania Akora Khattak,Jamia Islamiyah Chaman (Quetta),Al Azhar,Damascus.....

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

These boys are bunch of gang bangers with an arsenal. I don't think they truly know how to implement "Sharia" properly; they're not well educated on the verses of the Quran, nor the narrations of the Prophet p b u h. By boys am talking about all "Islamic" movements in the world.

Exactly, my cousin.

You can find videos of Boko Haram and other kids having P Diddy type parties in Africa.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

It is quite amusing to see RR visiting Sufi websites to obtain fatwas in favor of sufi shrines and graveworship while still claiming to be a Mu'tazili.

Mu'tazillah deny karamah of Awliyah. They do not believe that Awliyah have karamah. Sufis and graveworshiping Mushriks ascribe all sorts of karamaat even to the dead.

This is how confused RR is. hahaha

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

It is quite amusing to see RR visiting Sufi websites to obtain fatwas in favor of sufi shrines and graveworship while still claiming to be a Mu'tazili.

Mu'tazillah deny karamah of Awliyah. They do not believe that Awliyah have karamah. Sufis and graveworshiping Mushriks ascribe all sorts of karamaat even to the dead.

Those are only certain sects in the Indian Subcontinent.

It does not happen elsewhere.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Those are only certain sects in the Indian Subcontinent.

It does not happen elsewhere.

It happens in London and Birmingham. I have seen it myself. it happens in Afghanistan, in fact there are many such Ziyarats in Muqur, Katwaz, Orgun, Qarabagh Ghazni city and other parts of Afghanistan where people ask from the dead or claim that the grave of such and so has holy sand and if you eat the sand of the grave of such and so all your illnesses will be cured. Similarly they do all of this North Africa. There is allot of graveworship in North Africa.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

It happens in London and Birmingham. I have seen it myself. it happens in Afghanistan, in fact there are many such Ziyarats in Muqur, Katwaz, Orgun, Qarabagh Ghazni city and other parts of Afghanistan where people ask from the dead or claim that the grave of such and so has holy sand and if you eat the sand of the grave of such and so all your illnesses will be cured. Similarly they do all of this North Africa. There is allot of graveworship in North Africa.

In many cases they pray for the dead, not to them.

Anyway, not all Sufis do this.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Sunnipath is a biased website,they do things which are forbidden in islam,if you want to come with Ahlus sunnah bring anything from Darul Uloom Deoband,Darul Uloom Karachi,Darul Uloom Haqqania Akora Khattak,Jamia Islamiyah Chaman (Quetta),Al Azhar,Damascus.....

The Scholars of SunniPath are reknowned and accepted by Ulama all over the world, even Deobandis; since Deobandi scholars such as Shaikh Muhammad ibn Adam Al-Kathawri and several other Ulama are apart of Sunnipath. Shaikh Faraz Rabbani studied in Syria.

your excuse has no ground; you're ignorant who has no knowledge and follow a Cult which is not Sunni.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

In many cases they pray for the dead, not to them.

I agree.

Anyway, not all Sufis do this.

I agree.