Defiant Mali Islamists pursue wrecking of Timbuktu

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It is quite amusing to see RR visiting Sufi websites to obtain fatwas in favor of sufi shrines and graveworship while still claiming to be a Mu'tazili.

Mu'tazillah deny karamah of Awliyah. They do not believe that Awliyah have karamah. Sufis and graveworshiping Mushriks ascribe all sorts of karamaat even to the dead.

This is how confused RR is. hahaha

1.) These aren't Sufi Websites; they're websites for the Sunni Ulama
2.) I don't accept the karamah of Awliyah.
3.) Your understanding of Mu'tazilah does not come from a Mu'tazilah sources, for Mu'tazilah these are superficial issue which do not hold our concern

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

The Scholars of SunniPath are reknowned and accepted by Ulama all over the world, even Deobandis; since Deobandi scholars such as Shaikh Muhammad ibn Adam Al-Kathawri and several other Ulama are apart of Sunnipath. Shaikh Faraz Rabbani studied in Syria.

your excuse has no ground; you're ignorant who has no knowledge and follow a Cult which is not Sunni.

Is this why Faraz Rabbani lied against Taqi Usmani and claimed that Usmani approves Istighatah? HAHAHA

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Is this why Faraz Rabbani lied against Taqi Usmani and claimed that Usmani approves Istighatah? HAHAHA

None of the Sunni Ulama has ever accused Faraz Rabbani for lying.

any Wahhabi scholar that does so is not credible since Wahhabis are not apart of the Ahl Al Sunnah.

[Afghanistan2010]

This shows your view of Islam,and limiting it to a sect and its beliefs,declaring them as Ahlus Sunnah,

this is the reply of Ahlus Sunnah....the majority.


Question: 2009

India

Is It Islamic to Celebrate the Urs of Deads, Also is It Islamic to Build Shrine over the Graves of Muslims? What will be opinion of Shariat in Concern to the Taj Mahal at Agra. This also a Shrine Over the Graves. Is this Monument is Islamic?

Answer: 2009
Nov 19,2007

(Fatwa: 516/516=L)

(1) It is not allowed to celebrate the urs of the dead:

لایجوز ما یفعلہ الجھال بقبور الأولیاء والشھداء من السجود والطواف حولھا واتخاذ السرج والمساجد الیھا و من الاجتماع بعد الحول کالأعیاد و یسمونہ عرساً (تفسیر مظھری: بحوالہ فتاوی رشیدیہ: 135)

(2) It is also not allowed:

و فی الشامی: و عن أبی حنیفۃ یکرہ أن یبنی علیہ بناءً من بیت أو قبۃ أو نحو ذلک لما روی جابر: نھی رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم عن تجصیص القبور و أن یکتب علیھا و أن یبنی علیھا۔ (شامی: 3/144)

The above text clearly says that it is prohibited to build mazar (a shrine or a mausoleum).

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best
Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband

[Afghanistan2010]

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...a9786cacacf4e0
To seek the help of any deceased and pray to him is Shirk. It is not
permissible to address any deceased by saying 'Yaa Shaykh Madad', 'Yaa
Shaykh Raza Khan.', etc.

If a Muslim does that, he is out of the fold of Islam, his Nikah will be
broken. If he does not renew his Imaan and Nikah, his relationship with his
wife will be Haraam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

he is a wahhabi salafi extremist, lol

[Friend]

Everyone on this forum is wahabi extremists loooool.

[Manzareh]

This is so twisted i dont even know where to start.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

http://www.askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.p...a9786cacacf4e0
To seek the help of any deceased and pray to him is Shirk. It is not
permissible to address any deceased by saying 'Yaa Shaykh Madad', 'Yaa
Shaykh Raza Khan.', etc.

If a Muslim does that, he is out of the fold of Islam, his Nikah will be
broken. If he does not renew his Imaan and Nikah, his relationship with his
wife will be Haraam.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

That's diffferent topic than building graves you moron, that's about tawassul

[Afghanistan2010]

That's diffferent topic than building graves you moron, that's about tawassul

Stil it is a must on Sunnipath,among sufis to make tawassul,they do the way which has no base in islam,make up fake hadiths to claim that they are on the right path.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

That's diffferent topic than building graves you moron, that's about tawassul

You rely upon a guy who fabricates lies against scholars.

[KGODB]

No. A substantial part of the Khasraj and Al Ows tribe were already Muslims and a large group of Muslims from Makkah migrated to Madina before Rasool Allah sal allahu alayhi wasalam. Plus there were the three Jewish tribes.

So no, you are wrong. Madina was not outright kufars.



How can they be Islamic monuments when people seek help via graves? Doesn't Allah specifically prohibit this in Quran on numerous verses?

Hoe can they be Islamic monuments when in Islam it is prohibited to build a grave tall above the ground? The Shariah specifically dictates that no grave should be built like a tomb.



Honouring people in Islam is not by making their graves like idols. You honour them by learning about their teachings and passing through the knowledge.

This type of honouring you are talking about, does this have any foundation in Quran and Sunnah? Why is it that this tradition of building shrines and attributing this to Islam lacks any proof or reasoning from Quran & Sunnah? Yet, on the contrary, there are dozens of Quranic verses that clearly prohibit that what is practices around these shrines?



Well, demolishing shrines and places where other than Allah is revered and worshipped might sound "not right" to you. But I think you should first study the Islamic ruling regarding building of shrines and asking from the dead, or attributing divine qualities to the dead in the light of Quran and Sunnah.

Once you have learned this, I dont think that you would think that this is "not right" any longer.



Intercession is through good deeds. Preform good deeds like your daily prescribed obligatory acts of worship, your voluntary acts of worship, charity etc. And when you do that, ask Allah and say that you have preformed these prescribed and obligatory acts of worship and voluntary acts of worship because you desire to have your prayers to be accepted, your sins to be forgiven and anything other that you want which is lawful in Islam.

Asking the dead is not allowed in Islam. It is an act of shirk.




I am sorry. But I dont need your personal opinion or your own philosophy. If you are going to issue fatwas on what is wrong and what is right, you need to be able to back it up with proofs from quran and sunnah or reliable jurisprudence. In Islam, it is prohibited for people like you and me, to issue fatwas and talk about our own personal opinions. We are not scholars and therefore we shouldn't judge about things we have no proof of.



Alhamdulilah. They should do that everywhere.

So essentially your religion is so useless and backwards that people need to be forced to adhere to it.

In the free market of ideas, your religion is enron stock

[RevolutionThroughReason]

You rely upon a guy who fabricates lies against scholars.

all this says is that he does not remember the conversation .....and then he goes on to agree with faraz rabbani



you actually just handed your neck to me with a knife and just asked me to slice it, way to go

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Stil it is a must on Sunnipath,among sufis to make tawassul,they do the way which has no base in islam,make up fake hadiths to claim that they are on the right path.

We're talking about building graves though and then you posted a Fatwa by Mufti Ibrahim Desai which talks about practices, not building graves.

Sunnipath is real Ahl Al Sunnah.Shaykh Amjad Rasheed

Biography

Shaykh Amjad Rasheed is a young Palestinian scholar who has studied Sacred Law (with an emphasis on Shafi'i fiqh) for several years with top scholars in Syria, Jordan, and Hadramawt. He has received numerous ijazas to impart his knowledge to others from the scholars that he sat with. Recently, he completed his PhD in Islamic Law for a critical edition and annotation of Imam Ghazali's Khulasat al-Mukhtasar. A student of Shaykh Nuh Keller, he currently lives in Amman and gives public lessons in Shafi'i fiqh and other subjects in Shaykh Nuh's zawiya.

s it permissible to build structures on graves?
Answered by Shaykh Amjad Rasheed
Translated by Sidi Moustafa Elqabbany


Question:
Is it permissible to build structures atop graves, as is witnessed at the graves of prophets and saints? How should we understand the hadiths that prohibit this?
Answer:

As Imam Al-Shihab Ibn Hajar points out in his Major Edicts (Ar. Al-Fatawa Al-Kubra) in the chapter on funerals, our Shafi'i imams have taken four positions regarding building atop graves:

The first position, which is the relied-upon position that Imams Nawawi and Rafi'i have codified and Imam Ibn Hajar and many late scholars have considered reliable, requires a distinction between graveyards that are endowments and like them, public graveyards -- these being where people of the area have become accustomed to burying their deceased -- and private property. Building atop a grave in a graveyard that is an endowment or public is unconditionally forbidden, whether the grave belongs to a scholar or someone else. As for if the grave is in private property, it is permissible to build atop it, but it is disliked to do so. The difference between the two is that the legal reason (Ar. `illah) for prohibiting building over graves is because it crowds out and denies access, making it difficult for people to bury another deceased in a grave that was built over. For this reason, it is forbidden in public graveyards but not in private ones.
The second position is the unconditional permissibility of building atop graves, whether they are endowments, public, or otherwise, and whether they are the graves of scholars or laymen. In Al-Khadim, Imam Badr Al-Deen Al-Zarkashi quotes at length the words of the sheikh and imam, Sharaf Al-Deen Al-Ansari regarding the Qarafah [m: (a graveyard near Cairo)], during which he [m: i.e., Al-Zarkashi] says:
The early Muslims (Ar. Salaf) (Allah be pleased with them) witnessed this greater and lesser graveyard in the past. Graves and structures were constructed in it, yet none of the scholars of the time opposed it in word or action. He [m: (i.e., Al-Ansari)] says, “they built the dome of Imam Al-Shafi'i (Allah be pleased with him) and his academy in it and the other shrines are like this.”
[m: After finishing up the quotation from Al-Ansari, Al-Zarkashi says: ]
One of the late scholars said, “his [m: i.e. Al-Ansari's] words indicate that building in public graveyards is not forbidden.” And if it is not forbidden to build in public graveyards, then a fortiori, it is not forbidden to build in wastelands or private property with the permission of the owner.

[...]

In the Mustadrik, immediately after rigorously authenticating the hadiths on the prohibition of building and writing on graves, Imam Al-Hakim mentions, “These [m: hadiths] are not acted upon, for all Muslim imams, east and west, have structures over their graves, and this is something that the later generations (Ar. khalaf) took from the early generations (Ar. salaf). Al-Burzuli said, 'it is therefore a matter of consensus.'”

[...]

One of the late scholars of our imams mentioned beautiful words that support the permissibility of building atop graves, “[m: Scholars] have mentioned the validity of leaving a bequest to construct Al-Masjid Al-Aqsa and the graves of the prophets (peace and blessings of Allah be upon them). Sheikh Abu Muhammad incorporated the graves of scholars and the righteous under this [m: ruling] because it entails reviving visitation [m: of their shrines]. In Al-Waseet and Al-Ihya, Al-Ghazali says that which indicates the permissibility of building atop the graves of the scholars of religion, sheikhs of Islam, and other righteous people. It is not far-fetched that this permissibility is based on honouring them.

[...]

Like Al-Waseet and Al-Ihya, Sharh Al-Tanbeeh by Imam Ibn Al-Rif`ah contains that which indicates the permissibility of building [m: atop graves], or rather, its praiseworthiness. There is no doubt regarding this, for it is found in all the lands of Islam in the past and present.

[...]

None of the scholars or righteous people, who are the guardians of the religion, have been referenced as having opposed this in word or action, yet there is no doubt that they were able to do so. And Allah Most High knows best.
The third position is the unconditional permissibility of building atop the graves of scholars, saints, and the righteous, whether in endowment lands or otherwise. As for building over the graves of non-scholars, it carries the distinction made in the first position. The differentiation between the graves of scholars and others -- in terms of honouring them and reviving their visitation -- becomes evident from what was narrated from Al-Ghazali and others in the second position; i.e. because visiting them increases aspiration for acquiring knowledge and righteousness, as is clear to many people.
The fourth position is the unconditional prohibition [m: of building atop graves], regardless of whether in endowments or other lands, or whether the grave is for a scholar or someone else. Imam Shihab Al-Deen Al-Adhra`i chose this position because of the generality of the prohibition [m: found in the hadiths], and because [m: building atop graves] involves ugly innovation, wasting money, extravagance, showiness, and the imitation of tyrants and disbelievers.
The upshot is that those who have stated unconditional permissibility in this issue -- as well as those who have allowed it only for the graves of scholars and others similar to them -- have done so based on the practical ([m: as opposed to stated]) consensus of Muslim scholars in various eras that allowed building atop graves. This is particularly true regarding what was mentioned from Imam Al-Hakim, which should be reread. Based on this, it is possible to apply the prohibition of building atop graves that is found in the hadiths to it being merely disliked, except for the graves of scholars and others similar to them. [m: This exception] is because of what has already been mentioned regarding honouring them and reviving their visitation: it brings about aspiration for knowledge and righteousness. Furthermore, the erudite scholar, hadith master, and Prophetic scion, Ahmad Al-Ghumari composed a treatise on the permissibility of building atop graves of scholars and the righteous. In it, he puts forth the evidences and statements of Shafi'i imams and others who allow it.
Seeing that there is a scholarly difference of opinion regarding this matter, it is not permissible for anyone to refute one who practices it. As jurists have concurred, it is not permissible to refute that which scholars have differed over. Of course, it is praiseworthy to offer advice so that differences of opinion are avoided.
Allah is Most Knowledgeable regarding what is correct and to Him is the recourse and return.
Amjad Rasheed
(Translated by Sidi Moustafa Mounir Elqabbany, edited by Sidi Hamza Karamali)

He is from Ulama of Shams, so that proves you're wrong; only Wahabis follow your ideas.

[Afghanistan2010]

this is the reply of Ahlus Sunnah....the majority.


Question: 2009

India

Is It Islamic to Celebrate the Urs of Deads, Also is It Islamic to Build Shrine over the Graves of Muslims? What will be opinion of Shariat in Concern to the Taj Mahal at Agra. This also a Shrine Over the Graves. Is this Monument is Islamic?

Answer: 2009
Nov 19,2007

(Fatwa: 516/516=L)




(1) It is not allowed to celebrate the urs of the dead:

لایجوز ما یفعلہ الجھال بقبور الأولیاء والشھداء من السجود والطواف حولھا واتخاذ السرج والمساجد الیھا و من الاجتماع بعد الحول کالأعیاد و یسمونہ عرساً (تفسیر مظھری: بحوالہ فتاوی رشیدیہ: 135)

(2) It is also not allowed:

و فی الشامی: و عن أبی حنیفۃ یکرہ أن یبنی علیہ بناءً من بیت أو قبۃ أو نحو ذلک لما روی جابر: نھی رسول اللہ صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم عن تجصیص القبور و أن یکتب علیھا و أن یبنی علیھا۔ (شامی: 3/144)

The above text clearly says that it is prohibited to build mazar (a shrine or a mausoleum).

Allah (Subhana Wa Ta'ala) knows Best
Darul Ifta,
Darul Uloom Deoband




"Shaykh Nuh Keller" is a man who has no knowledge,he is a sufi/brewli,don't talk about him.

I do not believe in the fatawaas of biased Sunnipath or their scholars,i even do not see them as scholars rather people who copy paste.

Mufti Taqi Usman (hafizahullah) is a scholar.