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[Friend]

I have heard that Tahir ul qadri is banned in France.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

this is really amusing. Revolution is an outspoken Mutazili. And here he is trying to school Sunnis who are and who are not legitimate scholars of Sunnah. HAHAH

[RevolutionThroughReason]

But according to Sunni scholars, you're not sunnis; so how can Non-Sunnis determine who are legitimate Muslim Scholars?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

They can call themselves aslong as they want "SUNNIPATH"; it was made clear by the scholars how they misguide people,Tahir Ul Qadri also claims (he is from the same sect) that he is following and preaching Ahlus Sunnah.


In the end he talks to graves poor people who were by him misguided.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6rT-o9_dS8

Not sure who Tahir ul Qadri is; for someone who says they're Afghan, you seem to know mainly about Pakistani Scholars.

[Afghanistan2010]

Not sure who Tahir ul Qadri is; for someone who says they're Afghan, you seem to know mainly about Pakistani Scholars.

I know them because i refuted them.

I know many scholars from all over the world,and i listen to their lectures,let me for you recount some Pashtun scholars to all scholar listen to Ustadh Yassir,Mullah Saeed Gul Ahmed (rah),Mufti Abdullah Shah Saheb from Darul Uloom Haqqania,Mullah Idrees Saheb,Mullah Ghani (rah),Sheikh An Nayatullah,Mufti Ubaayd,and many others not to mention here.

Non-afghans i listen to are Murtaza Khan,Sulaiman Mullah,Sheikh Anwar,Kamel El Mekki,Khalid Yasin,Nouman Ali Khan,Mufti Taqi Usmani,Imam Zahir,and many others from Darul Uloom Deoband India,and elsewhere.

[Afghanistan2010]

But according to Sunni scholars, you're not sunnis; so how can Non-Sunnis determine who are legitimate Muslim Scholars?

According to them half of the muslims are not Sunnis....starting from Afghanistan til we reach North Africa.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

[QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;624884]According to them half of the muslims are not Sunnis....starting from Afghanistan til we reach North Africa.[/QUO
Actually according to true Sunni scholars most people from Afghanistan to Morocco are Sunnis; because most of these regions have Ziyarat/Mazha'ir built in Sunni areas. It's Wahhabis who say 80% of Muslims are not Sunni because they build Mazha'ir building.


By the way what happened to your "last reply" to me; you must fee anxious by what I say or something.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

I know them because i refuted them.

I know many scholars from all over the world,and i listen to their lectures,let me for you recount some Pashtun scholars to all scholar listen to Ustadh Yassir,Mullah Saeed Gul Ahmed (rah),Mufti Abdullah Shah Saheb from Darul Uloom Haqqania,Mullah Idrees Saheb,Mullah Ghani (rah),Sheikh An Nayatullah,Mufti Ubaayd,and many others not to mention here.

Non-afghans i listen to are Murtaza Khan,Sulaiman Mullah,Sheikh Anwar,Kamel El Mekki,Khalid Yasin,Nouman Ali Khan,Mufti Taqi Usmani,Imam Zahir,and many others from Darul Uloom Deoband India,and elsewhere.

You can't even refute people here, so how is that possible But everyone you mentioned , Taqi Usmani , also Pakistani, you , KHalid Yasin is Wahhabi

you seem to be into Pakistani Ulama .........and we all know Pakistani Ulama have close ties with the ISI and Paki Government

[Afghanistan2010]

It is just getting funny a disbeliever is trying to teach me who Ahlus Sunnah are.
Remember what fate Mutazilah met in the past,when the believers hit their necks....

Further,here is a broad refutation of Sunnipath.

Sunnipath exposed (part 2): SP Claims that the Qur’an is not Allah’s word!

Posted: October 3, 2011 in Ash'aris
Tags: ashari, created, denial, eternal, exposed, hanbal, imam, internal, kalam, letter, nafsi, qibla, qibla.com, quran, revelation, sound, sp, speech, sunnipath, uncreated, word
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Asalamu alaikom wa Rahmat Allahi wa Barakatuh.
This post is the second in the series which highlights the extremely misguided Aqeedah that Sunnipath is spreading and teaching to it’s unaware students.
Below is proof that the Asha’irah and Sunnipath deny that the Qur’an which was revealed to the prophet Muhammad sallAllahu ‘alayhi wa sallam is really the word of Allah s.w.t.

As the article is rather long, I will simply post the relevant paragraphs, however for those who wish to read the entire article or who think I have taken things out of context, I have included the link to the original sunnipath page so that you may verify the information.
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.a...D=2847&CATE=32
Below are the relevant paragraphs from the Sunnipath Page.
1. Sunnipath differentiating between the “two aspects” of the Quran, saying that one Qur’an is eternal, and another is created.

However, one must remember that there are two aspects to the Qur’an. One being the actual Speech of Allah Most High, and the other being the Qur’an we have before us, consisting of the various Surahs, verses, written on paper with ink.
As far as the first aspect is concerned, that is, the actual Speech of Allah Almighty, it is eternal without doubt and not created. It is an eternal attribute of Allah Most High. However, the Qur’an we have in front of us, made from paper, ink, etc can not be considered to be eternal; rather it is created.

2. Explaining why we should not refer to the Qur’an as uncreated, lest people actually believe that the Arabic Qur’an is eternal/the word of Allah s.w.t.

Imam al-Taftazani (Allah have mercy on him) explains this in his commentary on the Creed of Imam al-Nasafi:
“And when Imam al-Nasafi (Allah have mercy on him) spoke explicitly of speech as being from eternity, he wanted to call your attention to the fact that the term “Qur’an” is sometimes applied to the eternal Speech of the mind (kalam al-Nafsi) just as it is applied to the originated context (al-Nazm) which is read, so he said: “The Qur’an, the Speech of Allah, is uncreated (ghayr makhluq).” He followed the term “Qur’an” with the words “the Speech of Allah” because of what the early scholars had stated that, it should be said: “The Qur’an the Speech of Allah is uncreated” and it should not be said: “The Qur’an is uncreated”. This distinction is made lest the mind jump to the conclusion that the thing composed of sounds and letters is eternal.” (Sharh al-Aqa’id al-Nasafiyya, p. 112)

3. The qur’an we have before us (and that which the prophet s.a.w passed to the companions) is created.

The outcome of all of the above is that, the Qur’an we have before us made of paper, ink, letters, sound, etc…and that which is written and recited, is created, but the original Speech of Allah is not created, rather eternal.

4. Saying that we should not say the Qur’an is created lest we confuse people (the public), but that we should keep this within the study circles.

Moreover, Imam al-Bajuri (Allah have mercy on him) states that, despite we having the belief that the recited words and letters of the Qur’an are created and originated (haadith), one should not describe the Qur’an in general as being created and originated. The reason behind this being that, one may not be able to distinguish between the created letters and words, and the eternal Speech of Allah Most High. This was also the position of the great Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him). Yes, if there is a need such as teaching students, then it will be allowed. (Tuhfat al-Murid ala Jawharat al-Tawhid, p. 72)

5. SP again saying that there are two Qur’ans, one uncreated (eternal) and one created.

But the question here is that, scholars have mentioned that one should not describe the Qur’an as created in a general manner (as we have seen in the statement of Imam al-Bajuri above), as one may not be able to distinguish between the eternal (qadim) Speech of Allah and the created Qur’an.

6. Clearly stating that what was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad s.a.w is not the word of Allah s.w.t and is an uneternal creation.

Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) explains:
“The crux of the matter is that, the uncreated Qur’an means the Speech of Allah, an attribute that is subsistence in the essence (dhat) of Allah Most High, not the letters of the Qur’an that were revealed.

7. Again differentiating between the word of Allah s.w.t and what was revealed through Jibreel a.s, and mentioning that the general Muslim does not understand or know this.

the normal layman does not know the difference between the eternal Speech of Allah and the originated Qur’an consisting of letters, and sound.

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Dear brothers & sisters, the above is very clear, and it demonstates what we have stated all along, that the Ash’ariah do not believe that the Qur’an we have today is the word of Allah s.w.t, rather they believe that the “real” Qur’an is an internal speech of Allah s.w.t (kalam nafsi) which was not revealed to the Prophet s.a.w and that what we have before us, is a “Translation” or “explanation” of the actual Qur’an.
They claim this, despite the fact that Allah s.w.t himself states that this Qur’an is his word!


And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. (9:6)


The asha’irah will sometimes try to cover their true aqeedah and claim that when they speak of a created Qur’an, they are only referring to the sounds we make when we recite (i.e our created voices), however, Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal r.a.a even replied to these people and said:

“And beware of argumentation with the one who Innovates in this matter and says that his recitation of the Qur’an is creeated and other such claims. And whoever hesitates in this matter and says, ’I do not know whether it is created or not created. It is but the word of Allah.’ Then he is a person of innovation and he is just like the one who says, ‘It is created.’ (Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah 1/241-246)

Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal r.a.a made the stance of Ahlus Sunnah clear on this matter, and he stated:

The Qur’aan is the speech of Allah AND his revelation and it is not created. (Tabaqaatul-Hanaabilah 1/294-295)

I advise my brothers and sisters who blindly follow the Ash’ari scholars with such beliefs, and who currently blindly follow Sunnipath, to read the Qur’an, Seek knowledge, Read about the trial of Imam Ahmad r.a.a and turn to Allah s.w.t in repentance. Verily Allah s.w.t is all merciful and forgiving. This is not a matter of pride nor is it a competition, this is our Akhirah!
May Allah s.w.t protect us from those who call others away from Tawheed, May he make our hearts Steadfast on his deen, May he make our hearts firm on the truth, and May Allah s.w.t make our hearts Steadfast in obeying him.

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[RevolutionThroughReason]

It is just getting funny a disbeliever is trying to teach me who Ahlus Sunnah are.
Remember what fate Mutazilah met in the past,when the believers hit their necks....

Further,here is a broad refutation of Sunnipath.


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This is from a Wahhabi, so it cannot be credible by Sunni standards. Since Wahhabis are not Sunni


also you got it from a FORUM hahahahaha .....none of the people on a forum are qualified scholars.

[Afghanistan2010]

It seems you,yourself are a wahabi

The sect of the Mu`tazila did not believe in the miracles of the saints, and some today even claim: "The awliya are not known except to Allah, and there is no such thing as kashf in the shari`a" and "We only trust a person whom Allah or His Messenger ordered us to trust, but as for those claimed awliya', there is no specific evidence about them from Allah or His Messenger" as a way to withhold their respect from the pious or pay it out stingily and reluctantly.
These are all matters in which the "Salafis" and those who deny kashf reveal their Mu`tazili leanings. One of them even said: "The sufi-doctrine of "miracles of saints" claims that the awliya' have control over it. Of course they say by Allah's will. (Also, the sect of the Shi`ah believe in that!)"

[RevolutionThroughReason]

It seems you,yourself are a wahabi

Not I am not a Wahhabi; stick to the subject by the way ...you can't sway fro different topics

you're not a Sunni ...just live with it.

[Afghanistan2010]

Right,you are a living a life with 40 of an disbelieving mutazilah claiming to be a muslim.

You are jealous of us believers,you will always be inferior.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Afghanistan2010. You are trying to reason with a guy who is almost 40 years old and is still trolling an online forum.

No Muslim would value his opinion since he lacks basics of Adab required from a Muslim.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Afghanistan2010. You are trying to reason with a guy who is almost 40 years old and is still trolling an online forum.

No Muslim would value his opinion since he lacks basics of Adab required from a Muslim.

what happened to the whole not making personal attacks stuff? That's fine, then I am not obligated to abide by it either. You're a person who has bisexual encounters in Holland and an alcoholic. You have no credibility, even if I was even close to 40, which is impossible since you're 2 years old, That is better than consuming alcohol or being a deviant.


there is no reason in either of your arguments; it is merely blind wahhabism.