The Immorality of Child Abuse

[ozymandias]

Do not make this thread about spamming

Especially when atheists are given freedom to have discussion.

Do not point out my comments which were responses

You can break the rules in responses.

Do not question intent since you do not do that with others

This is not a violation and rules can not be made up

The admins can do whatever they want. It's their site.

Thanks


This is just like the posts made by athiests

Except, not. It's a deliberate spam, and a deliberate troll attempt.

I expect non interference on this matter

Expect what you want -- only admin_khan is guaranteed to get what he expects here.

[graveyardofempires]

Guys
afghanistan made it to the final in football

afghanistan vs india

bte dotn waste your time on atheists,

[unknownprince]

Please don't derail this thread buddy ozmyamdas

[Manzareh]

Before him, no islam, after him islam. Historically the world did not know of islam prior to his 'revelation'.

It doesnt make a difference if the world knew or not, there were muslims before Muhammed, jesus was one of them and so was Abraham, we will leave this one out though, its neither here neither there.

Unfortunately, people have already posted proof contrary to your claim in this very thread..

Unfortunatly thats not classed as proof. if a Muslim does a bad action doesnt mean he is doing it in the name of Islam.

Huh? I don't understand the question without context. What does science and morals say is OK?

its simple. is your morals not derived from the society you live in? you said moraly it was unacceptable when it wasnt moraly unacceptable at the time, therefore moraly it was accepted to marry young girls and not against morals. Science also agreed, thats why i said 'were was the problem'???

[graveyardofempires]

Please don't derail this thread buddy ozmyamdas

ozzymandis is an american on a mission to spread falsehood among pashtuns.

dont waste time on peopel who are irrelevant to pashtuns.

[ozymandias]

It doesnt make a difference if the world knew or not, there were muslims before Muhammed, jesus was one of them and so was Abraham, we will leave this one out though, its neither here neither there.

Fair enough. I do not believe you have any historical evidence to back up this claim, but we can carry that in another thread.

Unfortunatly thats not classed as proof. if a Muslim does a bad action doesnt mean he is doing it in the name of Islam.

Never said they were. They are no more doing it in the name of Islam than an atheist pedophile is doing in the name of atheism. I am simply saying that they exist, and are Muslims, contrary to the claims presented by unknownprince. In fact, many of them use their religion to justify their pedophilia.

its simple. is your morals not derived from the society you live in?

Nope. They are derived from an understanding of suffering, and the feeling of compassion, and the logical stance that the best way to protect my rights is to protect them in others.

you said moraly it was unacceptable when it wasnt moraly unacceptable at the time, therefore moraly it was accepted to marry young girls and not against morals. Science also agreed

Science actually has shown that pedophilia is quite harmful to the victims.

, thats why i said 'were was the problem'???

The fact that it is harmful to the victims is the problem.

[unknownprince]

The Atheists are getting insecure.

This article was posted up for educational purposes where this Jewish Rabbi presents his research on linking atheism with an immoral lifestyle where there is no apparent distinction between right and wrong.

Debate is appreciated as his article is well researched if you all read it

[ozymandias]

ozzymandis is an american on a mission to spread falsehood among pashtuns.

dont waste time on peopel who are irrelevant to pashtuns.

This is a lie, and borders on a personal attack.

[ozymandias]

No it does not. The word 'peadophilia' and all this terminology did not exist before the nineteenth century.
Peadophilia does not exist.
Atheists do not exist either.
Either you worship The Creator of Everything, or you worship The Creation (false gods or your own desires in that case).

I guess I do not exist, because I worship nothing.

Your illogic is amusing. If there was not a word for it prior to the 19th century it does not exist? What a barren world you live in.

Nature says murder is OK, Allah Almighty says it's not OK.
Nature says marrying someone who is pubescent is OK, Allah Almighty says marrying someone who is pubescent is OK.
My logic is flawless.

Except that whole 'nature says it's ok' thing.

If the criteria to judge whether someone can be married is not puberty. Then what is it ? The apporval of a bunch of psychiatrists whose opinions were built on a common cultural and environmental doxa ? The politicians ? Then why isn't the age of consent the same in all secular countries ?

Because not all political systems are equal, or value the same things.

Yes it does. What the Prophet did is moral. What you do which contradicts what The Creator said is not.





I am not going to argue with you.
Either you are a muslim and believe hadiths are true and you can use such arguments or you are an idolater and believe they are not and you recognize that such an argument is deeply fallacious and you leave this thread.

Peace - Salam

I'll go with the third, I will stay an atheist, which is neither muslim, not an idolater, I will recognize that they are clearly nor true, but many think they are, and I will point out the immorality they condone is the exact immorality people are falsely condemning all atheists for. I will try to be as respectful as possible, but I am not leaving unless one of the admins ask me to.

[unknownprince]

Staff Message:

I have had a number of complaints about these threads and the purpose that they serve. There is a sound argument put by some of the complainants that the number of threads on a similar topic amounts to a Spam Attack and as a result, I am merging them into one place.

I in fact already requested you to merge the threads. Do not attribute this to a spam attack. That is highly inappropriate as I posted just after your post here earlier to merge the threads.

As the thread starter pointed out a couple of posts in keywords in Google Search will bring up a list of hits for those with an interest in the topic.

I was responding to a question by DZJ. I was interested in reading up about the link between atheism and pedophilia. It is completely irrelevant even to how I found the article or why I found it.

My own opinion on this, is that the issue of child sexual abuse requires much more sensitive treatment than has been afforded by some here.

Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. Feel free to elaborate and post up evidence or researched articles as I did.

There appears to have been a deliberate attempt to flame than open up the issue for civil discussion. The result is that the serious discussion is largely absent in the threads so far.

Deliberate attempt? An article about Atheism and Pedophilia was posted up. This is a well and ongoing researched subject. The discussion so far appears to be getting derailed by self-proclaimed atheists who do not want to have a debate about this.

Please again, do not make assumptions here.

The other issue, related to key word searches and the linkbacks that this generates is the kind of attention that may be drawn to topics headed 'pedophilia', 'porn' etc. Only a couple of days ago, I put a general Announcement about taking care with titles.

Irrelevant. The article is about Atheism and pedophilia. There is no way around this to accommodate atheists. It is an article, a well research and scholarly article.

Furthermore, it is wrong for any Member to masquerade as another Member and to attribute posts or edits to that person. I share this reminder here because it has happened in this space though note that this is a clear violation of House Rules and I will not hesitate to remove posting privileges should a repeat of this occur.

Please explain which member you are alluding to because others could think I am doing this, and I am not.

Excuse me, but this does not hold, no forum rules have been violated here. Merely questioning intent is a pretty weak argument to say the least. Very weak.


As with other threads, there can only be non-interference on this matter. Others need to be informed to stop derailing the thread, and discuss the issues at hand in a civil manner.

In the future before one resorts to this breakdown and questioning, it would be wise to think very clearly about this

[graveyardofempires]

This is a lie, and borders on a personal attack.

this is the truth
and lying is something atheist do as they do not believe in truth.

otherwise why would you hang aroudn here?what is your purpose for being here apart from attacking Islam and spreading falsehood.

[Manzareh]

Fair enough. I do not believe you have any historical evidence to back up this claim, but we can carry that in another thread..

OK

Never said they were. They are no more doing it in the name of Islam than an atheist pedophile is doing in the name of atheism. I am simply saying that they exist, and are Muslims, contrary to the claims presented by unknownprince. In fact, many of them use their religion to justify their pedophilia..

I know the atheist pedos are not doing it in the name of atheism, my response was to your statement assuming Muhammad pbuh and anyone who follows him automatically agrees with pedophiles.

Nope. They are derived from an understanding of suffering, and the feeling of compassion, and the logical stance that the best way to protect my rights is to protect them in others...

Emotions such as understanding and hatred is at the root of morality, our judgements of good and evil are influenced by emotional reactions such as empathy and disgust. It was moraly ok for women to be mistreated and moraly accepted for older men to marry young women, in arab society and anglo saxon society if not even worse in europe. moraly i say being homosexual is incorrect while you may agree with homosexual activity - whos right? we can debate that now but you cant sit there and say 1400 years ago the arabs were immoral because the whole world had the same philosophy.

Science actually has shown that pedophilia is quite harmful to the victims.

for that statement to be true that would mean more or less all the ment in the world till the 1900's were all pedophiles

The fact that it is harmful to the victims is the problem.

if theres a type of person i have 0% sympathy for it would be a pedophile, id be able to watch a pedo get skind alive while i eat my food and have no emotion in me what so ever.

[ozymandias]

this is the truth
and lying is something atheist do as they do not believe in truth.

Actually, all atheists believe in truth. I have no idea where you get your opinions, but that's insanely silly to claim. Atheists and scientists are very much mindful of the truth, and seek it out constantly.

otherwise why would you hang aroudn here?what is your purpose for being here apart from attacking Islam and spreading falsehood.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/ask-american-agnostic-atheist-man-pretty-much-anything-21394/

I left a pretty good introduction and answers to that question in the first post of that thread.

[Afghanistan2010]

Please stop trolling in all threads...claiming ..that you do not care..

Truth is..you care enough to respond...

These posts are very informative..and unknown is doing a great job...informing everyone about the reality of atheism.

Allahu Akbar , Allahu Akbar....jazakAllahu khayran wa barakAllahu feek.

[graveyardofempires]

Actually, all atheists believe in truth. I have no idea where you get your opinions, but that's insanely silly to claim. Atheists and scientists are very much mindful of the truth, and seek it out constantly.

wth are you talking about?

you guys believe in falsehood and this is the opinion of 99.99.9% of Pashtuns.

so again what is your reason for being here,apart from promoting falsehood and being closed minded?