Ask an American, agnostic and atheist man pretty much anything

[ozymandias]

How do you think this world came to place?

Physics, and cosmology easily explain that. This world is a result of the stellar cycle.

Where do you get your morals from?

My morals come from an ability to reason, and feel compassion.

I do not steal, because I do not want to live in a world where theft is acceptable. I do not murder, lie cheat, or any such thing for the same reasons.

I donate to charity, because I feel compassion for those suffering. I volunteer because I want to improve the lives of those around me. I want to make the world a better place, because I live here, and my future children will live here.

[kakargirl]

Actually, all babies are born non-believers. They have to be taught religion by adults. This is why Mohammad had to exist -- no one is born even knowing the first thing about religion.



Nope, no 'back'.

So the babies who spoke in their cradles what were they, one spoke up to save his mothers honor and the other spoke up to save the honor of a young man a prophet.

Anyway thank you for your polite answer i have 0 questions left i had two very strong atheist teachers miss crane and miss flinch both converted to islam later on as they continued to teach maths and science in a all female muslim girls school .

[ozymandias]

So the babies who spoke in their cradles what were they, one spoke up to save his mothers honor and the other spoke up to save the honor of a young man a prophet.

I would love to see the proof of this.

Anyway thank you for your polite answer i have 0 questions left i had two very strong atheist teachers miss crane and miss flinch both converted to islam later on as they continued to teach maths and science in a all female muslim girls school .

It would be interesting to hear there stories.

[kakargirl]

I would love to see the proof of this.



It would be interesting to hear there stories.

First of all i think you would find it shocking that a school that was opened by strict pashtun muslim's managed by masjid had 5 female atheist teachers ?

[ozymandias]

First of all i think you would find it shocking that a school that was opened by strict pashtun muslim's managed by masjid had 5 female atheist teachers ?

I guess I just assumed that that would be no big deal. Why would it matter that they were atheists, as long as they are qualified to teach the material they were hired for? I can see no reason that atheism or religion would even have a place in a math classroom -- and science and religion only conflict when you fail to understand the appropriate places for each.

[kakargirl]

I guess I just assumed that that would be no big deal. Why would it matter that they were atheists, as long as they are qualified to teach the material they were hired for? I can see no reason that atheism or religion would even have a place in a math classroom -- and science and religion only conflict when you fail to understand the appropriate places for each.

So basically yes my father, uncles and the masjid mullahs hired who was suitable for the job, and the girls grew up around these teachers and at break times they would come and sit with the girls ask questions they would tell us what their thoughts are and explain atheism they got invited to our eid celebrations to meet our mothers ,any question that was beyond our answering was answered by the qualified islamic teachers or christian teachers but we never doubted anything in islam even though we were around these teachers from the age of 5 to the age of 18.The reason i mentioned this is because of the stereotype that has built up by the west about islam.


The two incidents i mentioned of the babies are well known both are in the bible and quran.

[ozymandias]

So basically yes my father, uncles and the masjid mullahs hired who was suitable for the job, and the girls grew up around these teachers and at break times they would come and sit with the girls ask questions they would tell us what their thoughts are and explain atheism they got invited to our eid celebrations to meet our mothers ,any question that was beyond our answering was answered by the qualified islamic teachers or christian teachers but we never doubted anything in islam even though we were around these teachers from the age of 5 to the age of 18.The reason i mentioned this is because of the stereotype that has built up by the west about islam.

And that is why I am here -- the stereotypes are not helpful -- and I am sure that it works both ways -- look at graveyardofempires idea of America, and atheists...

The two incidents i mentioned of the babies are well known both are in the bible and quran.

So no evidence, then?

[IamDZJ]

you don't let go of a single opportunity to boast about that freaking school or university your father made once upon a time kakargirl, do you??

[kakargirl]

you don't let go of a single opportunity to boast about that freaking school or university your father made once upon a time kakargirl, do you??

Whats boastful about it, the fact that my father finally put his foot down in 1981 and said enough is enough no pashtun should send his 10 year old daughter back home who would end up married by 13 to 14 years old or die in child birth, pashtuns in uk use to take their daughters out by 9 to 10 years old, now more girls are getting a education, right now the majority of pashtuns girls in that school are swat ,swabi ,ghourgushti ,quetta nartopa , kunar ,qanduz,jalalabad mardan kohat girls and some arabs and english converts.

[IamDZJ]

i will make you a thread if you promise to keep all the talks related to that matter in that one thread...give me the name and location too. i might send my daughter there someday.

[IamDZJ]

i would rather shoot it in the forehead.

[Alchemist]

Morals are intrinsic to our human nature....no need for an outsider agency...

So basically all humans are moral...the outside agency corrupts them ...hmm that makes logical sense

[ScimitarXEdge]

so then we dont have intrinsic fitrah for Islam Alchemist, is that what you're saying?

[Toramana]

So basically all humans are moral...the outside agency corrupts them ...hmm that makes logical sense

The capacities for both proclivities i.e., that of goodness/virtue and... that of evilness/sin are found in us to equal degrees...

[ozymandias]

The capacities for both proclivities i.e., that of goodness/virtue and... that of evilness/sin are found in us to equal degrees...

I would say that mankind is born neither moral or immoral, but rather amoral. You are right that the capacity for both good and evil is there, but it is only through growing and learning that a child is exposed to morals, and learns what is right and wrong.