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[Dreamer]

I find it rather funny when I hear people saying they are decended from him...
it amazing how many places his supposed descendent are from! Hmmm I can say i am decended from the royal house of say England and I can insert my name in2 the royal family tree! dont make it true! be proud of who u are and dont try be something u aint

[abdul]

@dreamer and baygham
believe what you want (but i belief my cousins with they're family tree)

but your not thinking
arabs traveled on the silk roads
some arabs moved to major city's on the silk roads

[Dreamer]

^lol^ if it makes u feel better sure hes a decendent! The 12 imams were the decendents of the prophet... after that there is doubt.... so u cant prove anything! and FYI most if not all of the ahle bayt were under house arrest or persecuted by the ummayads and abbasaids so they hardly did much traveling on the silk roads!

[Baygham]

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people didn't believe that the earth was round until columbus came along
but this faqt was written in the quran
even better its written in the quran that it's round but shaped like an egg
and science confirmed this fact
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"Eratosthenes determined the circumference of the Earth around 205 BC to be 250000 or 252000 stades according to various sources. He noted that, on the summer solstice, the sun casts no shadow in Syene but he knew that it casts a shadow in Alexandria, north of Syene, corresponding to an angle α = 7o 12' (or approximate 7.2o). In other words he determined that the distance between Alexandria and Syene was one-fiftieth of the Earth's circumference. Since he knew that the two cities were about 800 km apart, he concluded that the the Earth must be 50 * 800 km in circumference, or 40000 km (See details). A century later Posidonius used another method to estimate the circumference of the Earth."

Earth Circumference Measurement by Posidonius

That was a long time before Quran, not only did he knew it was round he measured the circumference, you dont measure the circumference of a a flat object but a sphere,

oos pa Eratosthenes imaan rarrha, he was smarter than _________.

[unknownprince]

If as Pashtuns we accept that we are from the tribes of Israel (I do), then technically speaking we are all related by blood to the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because he was related to the Jewish Prophets.

The same goes for all the other Prophets.

[amna.]

The prophet was related to the Jews? He was an Arab.

[abdul]

"Eratosthenes determined the circumference of the Earth around 205 BC to be 250000 or 252000 stades according to various sources. He noted that, on the summer solstice, the sun casts no shadow in Syene but he knew that it casts a shadow in Alexandria, north of Syene, corresponding to an angle α = 7o 12' (or approximate 7.2o). In other words he determined that the distance between Alexandria and Syene was one-fiftieth of the Earth's circumference. Since he knew that the two cities were about 800 km apart, he concluded that the the Earth must be 50 * 800 km in circumference, or 40000 km (See details). A century later Posidonius used another method to estimate the circumference of the Earth."

Earth Circumference Measurement by Posidonius

That was a long time before Quran, not only did he knew it was round he measured the circumference, you dont measure the circumference of a a flat object but a sphere,

oos pa Eratosthenes imaan rarrha, he was smarter than _________.

read it again

http://www.pashtunforums.com/220687-post4.html

i told you that that the jews and cristans are our brother and sisters
that the earth is round is also explained in the old testament

[abdul]

^lol^ if it makes u feel better sure hes a decendent! The 12 imams were the decendents of the prophet... after that there is doubt.... so u cant prove anything! and FYI most if not all of the ahle bayt were under house arrest or persecuted by the ummayads and abbasaids so they hardly did much traveling on the silk roads!

the 11 imams where not the only descendent's of the prophet

[abdul]

The prophet was related to the Jews? He was an Arab.

he was a descendent of abraham

[Dreamer]

the 11 imams where not the only descendent's of the prophet

hate to burst your bubble but the prophets family were persecuted... most were killed... they did nt get very far.... most ended up in Kufa stronghold of Imam Ali and Syria .... as for pashtuns being bani Israel... another fairy tale... we have no semetic features....we are an Eastern Iranic ppls.... we are more closely related to Kurds and persians then we are to arabs and Hebrews

[abdul]

hate to burst your bubble but the prophets family were persecuted... most were killed... they did nt get very far.... most ended up in Kufa stronghold of Imam Ali and Syria .... as for pashtuns being bani Israel... another fairy tale... we have no semetic features....we are an Eastern Iranic ppls.... we are more closely related to Kurds and persians then we are to arabs and Hebrews

i'm not saying that all pashtuns are related maybe 5%(or more) are related to arabs and jews
of that 5% (or more) maybe 1% is related to the prophet

did you knew that there are jews in india and that they have a history of over 2000 years in india
if they could travel to india from isreal couldn't they have traveled
couldn't they have traveled to pashtun territories and intermarried with the locals
like they have in india

there was a community of jews in the iraq , iran and afghanistan who immigrated to india some 200 years ago

most of them have immigrated to isreal now and live in the of isreal

[Dreamer]

i'm not saying that all pashtuns are related maybe 5%(or more) are related to arabs and jews
of that 5% (or more) maybe 1% is related to the prophet

did you knew that there are jews in india and that they have a history of over 2000 years in india
if they could travel to india from isreal couldn't they have traveled
couldn't they have traveled to pashtun territories and intermarried with the locals
like they have in india
most of them have immigrated to isreal now and live in the of isreal

jews dont like intermarrying... the Kochni jews are the ones ur talking abt... they didnt intermarry
we are not semetic... hate to break it 2 u
again stdy what happened to prophets decendents and ull c they didnt make it further than kufa and Syria

[Pakhtun_Policy]

ANSWER ON THE LINK BELOW:

Question To Salafis/Wahabis

[abdul]

jews dont like intermarrying... the Kochni jews are the ones ur talking abt... they didnt intermarry
we are not semetic... hate to break it 2 u
again stdy what happened to prophets decendents and ull c they didnt make it further than kufa and Syria

really
than what are this guys?
YouTube - Preview scene #1 from "Next Year in Bombay" (documentary on the Jews of Bombay/Mumbai - India)
YouTube - indian jewish malida ceremony
Cochin Jews - Google zoeken
if they didn't intermarry with the locals they would be death or dying
if they are inbreeding as you claim there immune system would have been very low
and it's is very bad to have a weak immune system in country's like india
it's a lie that they don't intermarry
they say this to keep their so called jewish purity
even hitler was a half jew from his mother side

now back to the prophets descendent's
so what your saying that none of his descendent's ever went further than iraq and syria?
if you raise a bird in captivity and one day you open the door of the cage it will try to fly away
if a bird is curious of the out side world can't a human

how long were the descendent's persecuted and locked up
100 years
500 years
1000 years
are they even persecuted and locked up today?
most of the descendent's that were persecuted were shia
it wasn't only the descendent's but also other shia
some caliphs of the umayyads and abbasids and sultans of the ottomans feared the shia idea that the descendent's of the prophets should be the leaders instead of them(i'm personally against this because i belief he who is most qualified should lead not because of your family) others because they thought that shia were corrupting islam
they didn't had those problems with the sunni descendent's so they were mostly left alone and in peace

if after this still no light burns in you head try changing it if still nothing check the wires and if even then it doesn't burn there is something wrong with your head
go see a doctor

[Dreamer]

once again your ego is inflating to bigger and bigger proportions... read the rabbinc defination of what a jew is... one can only be classed a jew if the mother is a jew... hence male jews who marry out wld be a disaster for them as their kids aint jewish...
again u have no proof other than my cousin said he is a decenmdent... news flash.... SO DOES EVERY1 ELSE WHO WANTS 2 SHOW THAT THEY ARE SOMEHOW SPECIAL.... and dont even begin talking abt succesion esp whn u hardly have a grasp of knowledge on topics such as the events of saqifa, the hadith of the 12 emirs and gahdir kawm! Fact is there are probably decendents but it isnt u or ur cousin!
Its a bit like those Bollywood actors and punjabies who claim they are of pashtun decent when in fact they are not