Shia Islam for Dummies: Ask Those who Know

[Dreamer]

perhaps u can tell us who these 12 amirs are?

[شمله ور خراساني]

hes using it 2 disprove u!

i know. but he is failing.

[Dreamer]

then tell us who the 12 amirs are

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

why do you quote sahih muslim? You shi'tes dont believe in authenticity of those books. Plus according to Shi'ism all sunnis are kaafirs. So why do you use Sunni sources to prove your point?

Hmm sorry to say, but now I am starting to have doubts about your intelligence level buddy. Do you even know the rules of a discussion/debate? If you did, you wouldn't have asked this question. @Dreamer, brother please leave this topic to me thanks.

@Shumla, please stick to the topic.

[Dreamer]

Hmm sorry to say, but now I am starting to have doubts about your intelligence level buddy. Do you even know the rules of a discussion/debate? If you did, you wouldn't have asked this question. @Dreamer, brother please leave this topic to me thanks.

@Shumla, please stick to the topic.

sorry buddy.... though am not a shia i believe that Imam Ali shld have been caliph 1.... I stop short of accepting the belief of imamate.... though I do believe that the 12 imams shld have been the rightful rulers, I also look at history without bias and the caliphs made mistakes

[شمله ور خراساني]

Hmm sorry to say, but now I am starting to have doubts about your intelligence level buddy. Do you even know the rules of a discussion/debate? If you did, you wouldn't have asked this question. @Dreamer, brother please leave this topic to me thanks.

@Shumla, please stick to the topic.

Well, you are positing something, and you are using sources.

Just answer my question.

Dont play dodge. You were suppose to explain things. So please answer my questions.

[Dreamer]

u dnt accept shia books hence the way 2 debate with u is 2 use sources that u agree with i.e ur gold standard Bukhari.... Bukhari supports the 12 imams... Bukhari shows Caliph 1 Abu Bakr argued and upset Hz Fatima etc the list goes on.....
Its not that shia reject Bukhari they do not live under the title of sahih and judge hadith individually according to their merit

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

Well, you are positing something, and you are using sources.

Just answer my question.

Dont play dodge. You were suppose to explain things. So please answer my questions.

Ema tho ta khpal case ramakhke ko. I said I will try to elaborate on the core beliefs of Shia Muslims and then take questions. Now, I did what I said I would (i.e. explain). Now I am saying do you have any objection on/about any of the things I said?

EDIT: Again, I urge you to stick to the topic (which is "the beliefs of Shias") please.

[شمله ور خراساني]

u dnt accept shia books hence the way 2 debate with u is 2 use sources that u agree with i.e ur gold standard Bukhari.... Bukhari supports the 12 imams... Bukhari shows Caliph 1 Abu Bakr argued and upset Hz Fatima etc the list goes on.....
Its not that shia reject Bukhari they do not live under the title of sahih and judge hadith individually according to their merit

thats nort true.

If I would make a thread telling others what Shi'ism is about, I would use Shi'ite books, and Shi'te scholars opinion.

Likewise, when I made 100s of threads here on PF about Sunni beliefs, I have always used Sunni sources.

So I am asking, why does the shi'ite Haidar is using Sahih Muslim to teach us Shi'i beliefs?

It is a open secret that according to shi'ite creed, he who does not believe in imamat is a a kaafir. Just like Qadianis claim everyone who does not believe in their Qadiani dajjal is a kaafir.

So why is Haidar, the Shi'te using a book which is written by Sunnis?

[شمله ور خراساني]

Ema tho ta khpal case ramakhke ko. I said I will try to elaborate on the core beliefs of Shia Muslims and then take questions. Now, I did what I said I would (i.e. explain). Now I am saying do you have any objection on/about any of the things I said?

EDIT: Again, I urge you to stick to the topic (which is "the beliefs of Shias") please.

why do you explain shi'ite beliefs by using sunni sources?

Aren't those who do not believe in your imamat kaafirs according to shi'ites? So why do you use sources of those who your religion considers to be kaafirs?

Answer my question.

Don't play around. I dont have all night for you.

[Dreamer]

Its true.... again refer 2 my post.... BUKHARI does support the 12 imams hence hadith of the 12 amirs
U wld not accept shia sources so he is using sunni ones.... its as simple as that.... Muslims use the Bible to show prophecies regarding Prophet not quran and he is doing same with u...

[Haider Bangash 2.0]

thats nort true.

If I would make a thread telling others what Shi'ism is about, I would use Shi'ite books, and Shi'te scholars opinion.

Likewise, when I made 100s of threads here on PF about Sunni beliefs, I have always used Sunni sources.

So I am asking, why does the shi'ite Haidar is using Sahih Muslim to teach us Shi'i beliefs?

It is a open secret that according to shi'ite creed, he who does not believe in imamat is a a kaafir. Just like Qadianis claim everyone who does not believe in their Qadiani dajjal is a kaafir.

So why is Haidar, the Shi'te using a book which is written by Sunnis?

Okay, that's enough. I don't I think I will be able to hold on the conversation with you any longer. So I will take questions from my other Sunni brothers regarding what I said and regarding the CORE beliefs of Shia Muslims.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Its true.... again refer 2 my post.... BUKHARI does support the 12 imams hence hadith of the 12 amirs
U wld not accept shia sources so he is using sunni ones.... its as simple as that.... Muslims use the Bible to show prophecies regarding Prophet not quran and he is doing same with u...

I am going to deal with your question regarding the bukhari ahadith lateron when we have received an answer why shi'tes use sunni sources.

[Dreamer]

2 put it simply books which u hardcore sunnis accept as 99.9999% truth i.e Bukhari and the other sahih books support shia beliefs

[شمله ور خراساني]

Okay, that's enough. I don't I think I will be able to hold on the conversation with you any longer. So I will take questions from my other Sunni brothers regarding what I said and regarding the CORE beliefs of Shia Muslims.

don't ignore my question.

Why is it so difficult to answer this plain question?