Veganism and Islam

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

This research that you linked only used whites. The results are limited. From the authors names, I think the researchers are white too. The authors identity typically should not matter, but biases have to be noted.


"Recruitment was restricted to Caucasian participants between ages 18–30 to minimise the potentially confounding effects of age and ethnicity "


Secondly, this research is about fat and attractiveness.

I like curvy apple figure women. These guys might like stick like skinny women..there is a difference on what individuals are atttacted to.

And it admits itself that the sociocultural factors of this study were not accounted.

[khushal]

Backtrack? Uhhh right, if you say so...

As for this study, None of this had to do with your Sexual Hierarchy of races regarding Asians.


Ironically, [___this___] whole leg of the discussion is a backtrack from the original claim about Veganism and Testosterone, which lead to your backtrack to Asians and your backtrack now to health markers and attractiveness.

There are other studies in there that do. But its common sense. People want larger muscle mass and animal protein gives you a better quality than plant based protein judging from different societies and their main diets.



And it was you who initially said that skinny short east asian chinese were on par with pashtuns who on average are taller and has more muscle mass than Chinese do and later when you realized the error, backtrack.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There are other studies in there that do. But its common sense. People want larger muscle mass and animal protein gives you a better quality than plant based protein judging from different societies and their main diets.



And it was you who initially said that skinny short east asian chinese were on par with pashtuns who on average are taller and has more muscle mass than Chinese do and later when you realized the error, backtrack.

I know lots of in shape vegans with considerable muscle mass, there are even vegan bodybuilding channels on YouTube.

[Firdousi]

Khushal's "studies" are based on how people choose mates on dating sites. like Plenty of Fish, Match or OKCupid.

But the faultiness of this is how races are perceived and how they "are"; are two different things based on the cultural and social landscape.

In a society dominated by White Racial identity as the cultural ideal and the iconic totem pole; everyone is seen as "less masculine" and thus less preferred and even other races becoming socialized in such a society are groomed to internalize this ideal. Hence you see Asian American and Indian women trying to grub up white males so often. Even these days you see it common with Afghans and other Middle Easterners. It maybe to a lesser degree but it's gaining momentum.

In Western society, the image given to Afghans isn't an "icon of masculinity" oozing testosterone, rather it's of "men intimidated by women that they're afraid to let them out of the house", trying to overcompensate. The way Asians are perceived as "domicile and placid" is just another version of their cultural assaults against others. Not how others are actually are.

Black males get a little different portrayal they're the "bad boy" taboo, but this is more a reflection of the inner cuckishness of Whites, the thrill of this "black heathen" hungrily trying to get the "white woman" is some sort of fetish for them.

So dating site "statistics" tell us only the cultural landsscape that these sites reflect not the actuality of what these people are. While we can all agree South Asians are weak and unmasculine in general but this is more because of on the ground realities, not dating site stats. It just so happens their dating site stats line up with that.

Bottom line, these are largely just biases. Not a definition of masculinity.

West rejected masculinity. Just look at Hollywood. Few decades ago Alpha Males like Rambo, Terminator or actors like Chuck Norris or Eastwood used to be considered masculine role models. Nowadays its people like DiCaprio or Brad Pitt, not very masculine guys and even a bit effeminate who are considered stars. West committed a huge mistake by emasculating its men and getting rid of masculinity and instead embracing feminism and other cancers like that. It will eventually backfire when the system collapse and there are no men around to defend the nation because they are either weak or because of the aging phenomena that its currently devastating Western population.

[khushal]

I know lots of in shape vegans with considerable muscle mass, there are even vegan bodybuilding channels on YouTube.

But those guys have the genetics that came from ancestors that ate plenty of meat. We are talking about the historical effect.



Youre right but there are also many meat and animal fat eaters that live to 100 years with no problems.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But those guys have the genetics that came from ancestors that ate plenty of meat. We are talking about the historical effect.



Youre right but there are also many meat and animal fat eaters that live to 100 years with no problems.

Some of those guys are Asian though.....

[khushal]

Some of those guys are Asian though.....

But we are talking about on average. There are Caucasians and Africans who are small and skinny.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

But we are talking about on average. There are Caucasians and Africans who are small and skinny.

But that;s a poor association, because "on average" most men in general aren't in shape and in America LOW-T is a problem even with White Europeans that eat meat.

[randolph85]

I still don’t know what is happening here. I say everyone here courts a white woman for a date, dines and dashes, then reports on the where/how many/what you ate. If you are afraid it might give our people a bad name, then tell them you are Greek and named Mykonos.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I still don’t know what is happening here. I say everyone here courts a white woman for a date, dines and dashes, then reports on the where/how many/what you ate. If you are afraid it might give our people a bad name, then tell them you are Greek and named Mykonos.

Here's the summary.


Insight's interested in becoming Vegan

Khuhsal's objecting because Indians are historically vegetarian (though this isn't entirely accurate) and are weaker/low-T/effeminate.

I remarked about animals that are vegetarian but larger muscle mass than most humans and of races/ethnicities that don't eat as much meat as having pretty normal body-weight/BMI and testosterone levels and masculinity

Khushal brings up some cultural/social notions related to dating habits and preferences and then some divergent talking points that has almost nothing to do with the original contention.

Basically Khushal is "doubling down"

[khushal]

Here's the summary.


Insight's interested in becoming Vegan

Khuhsal's objecting because Indians are historically vegetarian (though this isn't entirely accurate) and are weaker/low-T/effeminate.

I remarked about animals that are vegetarian but larger muscle mass than most humans and of races/ethnicities that don't eat as much meat as having pretty normal body-weight/BMI and testosterone levels and masculinity

Khushal brings up some cultural/social notions related to dating habits and preferences and then some divergent talking points that has almost nothing to do with the original contention.

Basically Khushal is "doubling down"

Not totally accurate.
First IM not objecting if the guy wants to be vegan or not. But people are putting down meat as some evil villien which it is not.
Second I said you cant compare one species of animal to another species to see if meat is better than starchy high carb grains. You have to compare one human society to another and compare their diets.
I brought up how East Asian men are least attractive to the opposite sex based on low muscle mass and height after you said that East Asian men are on par with Pashtuns afterwards Insight went on a racist rant about how Im putting White men on a higher plane which I was not.

I was talking from an evolutionary biological standpoint while you claimed its from dating sites.

[khushal]

But that;s a poor association, because "on average" most men in general aren't in shape and in America LOW-T is a problem even with White Europeans that eat meat.

Low T comes from lifestyle and its also cultural. Western culture has changed in so many ways that explain the feminism and gayish behavior of many westerners. There are studies(not from dating sites) that say men doing women work lowers T. Also men that submit to women's wishes also lowers T. Men wining and dining women instead of the women cooking for the man also lowers T. Men that have wives and daughters in sexually revealing clothes and parade in front of other men also lowers T. Cucky behavior lowers T. etc.
Men and Women in the West aren't doing what their ancestors were doing.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I brought up how East Asian men are least attractive to the opposite sex based on low muscle mass and height after you said that East Asian men are on par with Pashtuns afterwards Insight went on a racist rant about how Im putting White men on a higher plane which I was not.

That's exactly it though, you're assuming this applies to E. Asians without a marker of what "low muscle mass" is. Even your study admits it has a sampling bias. You're making this to make some evo argument to regarding certain races/ethncities without some concrete metrics as to how this is determined. You can't just rubber stamp things with "evolution", it's much more intricate than that. And on top of that, your reference didn't even relate to that point nor did it really support your counter point....nevermind that it signifies nothing about veganism.


It's all over the place.

[Insight]

But we are talking about on average. There are Caucasians and Africans who are small and skinny.

Bro, please do not take this the wrong way. Can you seriously give sources for these statements?

[Insight]

I still don’t know what is happening here. I say everyone here courts a white woman for a date, dines and dashes, then reports on the where/how many/what you ate. If you are afraid it might give our people a bad name, then tell them you are Greek and named Mykonos.

Lmao at Mykonos