Veganism and Islam

[Insight]

your committing an ad hominem fallacy

Provide me the link to the research. No ad hom here.

Ascribing to views held by West on race as fact is odd considering Western society has a long history or racism and genocides which were race based.

[Insight]

I'm asking for the link

[Insight]

how was it racist? it just said what peoples have high muscle mass and bone density, height and so forth. Its just the environment people live in that determine their diet.

It was a response to ibliss.

Thats not what im referring to. The research you are citing seems to be racist so I want to see it. " white men are masculine and white women are feminine" black women are less feminine << how is that not racist?

You cited research discussing race and attractiveness. Please post link

[khushal]

yes people are attracted to better qualities. Thats just natural.

[Insight]

yes people are attracted to better qualities. Thats just natural.

Ok really Lol , where is the research?

According to you are white men more masculine?

[Insight]

yes people are attracted to better qualities. Thats just natural.

I'm taking a wild guess that you can not find the research then.

[khushal]

i guess in your world, people are attracted to poor qualities.

and in ibliss world, a skinny chinese guy physiq is the most envied.

IP MAN 3-Donnie Yen vs Mike Tyson (Wing Chun vs Boxing)#Must watch - YouTube

[Insight]

i guess in your world, people are attracted to poor qualities.

and in ibliss world, a skinny chinese guy physiq is the most envied.

IP MAN 3-Donnie Yen vs Mike Tyson (Wing Chun vs Boxing)#Must watch - YouTube

This is now a Toramana style response. Running away from a question lol. In my world I want a source and a link for the facts you list.

OR you can come out and say that these are all your personal opinions: that in your world, white men are most masculine and white women are most feminine lol.

If that is your own opinion just say it is.

[Insight]

[MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION]

Did you find the link to the report/research you were discussing?

[randolph85]

Is that study that you are referencing regarding online dating? If so, whites along with blacks, Hispanics, and Asians make up the online dating world.



One has to consider the fact that European colonialism around the world and European/American influential power in movies and Western culture shapes the attitudes of those people.



A white woman in America at least has always been shown as the ideal female whereas as a black woman has always been shown as the non-ideal female. A white man has always been shown as the ideal man whereas a black man has always been shown as a non-ideal man. I don't think one can make judgements based of a social and cultural narrative pushed forth by white patriarchy (i.e European white males)

I think much of this is anacdodal, like the example of how many Eastern Asian men have you seen with a black woman?

I doubt there have been any comprehensive studies or censuses on this issue though.

Then again, I only read the last 2 pages on a thread about diet so I may be completely lost here.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Khushal's "studies" are based on how people choose mates on dating sites. like Plenty of Fish, Match or OKCupid.

But the faultiness of this is how races are perceived and how they "are"; are two different things based on the cultural and social landscape.

In a society dominated by White Racial identity as the cultural ideal and the iconic totem pole; everyone is seen as "less masculine" and thus less preferred and even other races becoming socialized in such a society are groomed to internalize this ideal. Hence you see Asian American and Indian women trying to grub up white males so often. Even these days you see it common with Afghans and other Middle Easterners. It maybe to a lesser degree but it's gaining momentum.

In Western society, the image given to Afghans isn't an "icon of masculinity" oozing testosterone, rather it's of "men intimidated by women that they're afraid to let them out of the house", trying to overcompensate. The way Asians are perceived as "domicile and placid" is just another version of their cultural assaults against others. Not how others are actually are.

Black males get a little different portrayal they're the "bad boy" taboo, but this is more a reflection of the inner cuckishness of Whites, the thrill of this "black heathen" hungrily trying to get the "white woman" is some sort of fetish for them.

So dating site "statistics" tell us only the cultural landsscape that these sites reflect not the actuality of what these people are. While we can all agree South Asians are weak and unmasculine in general but this is more because of on the ground realities, not dating site stats. It just so happens their dating site stats line up with that.

Bottom line, these are largely just biases. Not a definition of masculinity.

[Insight]

Khushal's "studies" are based on how people choose mates on dating sites. like Plenty of Fish, Match or OKCupid.

But the faultiness of this is how races are perceived and how they "are"; are two different things based on the cultural and social landscape.

In a society dominated by White Racial identity as the cultural ideal and the iconic totem pole; everyone is seen as "less masculine" and thus less preferred and even other races becoming socialized in such a society are groomed to internalize this ideal. Hence you see Asian American and Indian women trying to grub up white males so often. Even these days you see it common with Afghans and other Middle Easterners. It maybe to a lesser degree but it's gaining momentum.

In Western society, the image given to Afghans isn't an "icon of masculinity" oozing testosterone, rather it's of "men intimidated by women that they're afraid to let them out of the house", trying to overcompensate. The way Asians are perceived as "domicile and placid" is just another version of their cultural assaults against others. Not how others are actually are.

Black males get a little different portrayal they're the "bad boy" taboo, but this is more a reflection of the inner cuckishness of Whites, the thrill of this "black heathen" hungrily trying to get the "white woman" is some sort of fetish for them.

So dating site "statistics" tell us only the cultural landsscape that these sites reflect not the actuality of what these people are. While we can all agree South Asians are weak and unmasculine in general but this is more because of on the ground realities, not dating site stats. It just so happens their dating site stats line up with that.

Bottom line, these are largely just biases. Not a definition of masculinity.

The point I was making was that [MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION] was discussing some research on "masculinity." I asked him if it was the online dating one (it was not he said). I wanted to see this research he was discussing but now it seems it does not exist.


I know in Western societies where whites are majority, whites bias their self perception in news and media.


While I view all people irrespective of their background as unique whether they are white,black, yellow, purple, Arab, Asian etc etc whatever, I have never for 1 second thought anyone was better than me and nor have I expected people to think I am better than them.

As to masculinity, all I know is that many men from the East see white women as easy meat, but rarely marry them. Indians and some others are a different story as I know they idolize whites and whiteness. But to tell me Western culture defines masculinity is ridiculous because it actually defines extreme feminism- in a culture like this the men are definitely not masculine.

[khushal]

Khushal's "studies" are based on how people choose mates on dating sites. like Plenty of Fish, Match or OKCupid.

But the faultiness of this is how races are perceived and how they "are"; are two different things based on the cultural and social landscape.

In a society dominated by White Racial identity as the cultural ideal and the iconic totem pole; everyone is seen as "less masculine" and thus less preferred and even other races becoming socialized in such a society are groomed to internalize this ideal. Hence you see Asian American and Indian women trying to grub up white males so often. Even these days you see it common with Afghans and other Middle Easterners. It maybe to a lesser degree but it's gaining momentum.

In Western society, the image given to Afghans isn't an "icon of masculinity" oozing testosterone, rather it's of "men intimidated by women that they're afraid to let them out of the house", trying to overcompensate. The way Asians are perceived as "domicile and placid" is just another version of their cultural assaults against others. Not how others are actually are.

Black males get a little different portrayal they're the "bad boy" taboo, but this is more a reflection of the inner cuckishness of Whites, the thrill of this "black heathen" hungrily trying to get the "white woman" is some sort of fetish for them.

So dating site "statistics" tell us only the cultural landsscape that these sites reflect not the actuality of what these people are. While we can all agree South Asians are weak and unmasculine in general but this is more because of on the ground realities, not dating site stats. It just so happens their dating site stats line up with that.

Bottom line, these are largely just biases. Not a definition of masculinity.

Your analysis is flimsy and not well thought out. Also I made you backtrack about short skinny East Asian men who you initally thought they are on par with Pashtuns. Reminds me of the old days when I would always make you backtrack your initial thoughts. haha

After the sexual revolution, Western culture has evolved and is much different today than it was. Today most people in the West dont find mates to have children with so the evolutionary natural selection is out the door. They just want to sexually experiment. They just want a boyfriend/girlfriend for a night, a week, a month or two. They find people who want similar experiments by adding drugs, alcohol, certain lifestyle into the mixture. This is what the whole college/university culture is all about. A society that has a drinking culture usually lose their inhibitions, their shame and anything goes.
This is why you see Arabs, Persians, Afghans, Paki that grow up in the West sometimes or maybe often also fall into this trap thinking this is the norm.

In Afghanistan, when males choose a mate, they mostly look at the health, piety and adab of the girl because he is thinking not just a healthy mate but also about the role model for his kids. He is not thinking about sexual experimentation like in the West. His main thoughts are about his offsprings and the same for the lady.

Here is the study:
The Body and the Beautiful: Health, Attractiveness and Body Composition in Men’s and Women’s Bodies

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Your analysis is flimsy and not well thought out. Also I made you backtrack about short skinny East Asian men who you initally thought they are on par with Pashtuns. Reminds me of the old days when I would always make you backtrack your initial thoughts. haha

After the sexual revolution, Western culture has evolved and is much different today than it was. Today most people in the West dont find mates to have children with so the evolutionary natural selection is out the door. They just want to sexually experiment. They just want a boyfriend/girlfriend for a night, a week, a month or two. They find people who want similar experiments by adding drugs, alcohol, certain lifestyle into the mixture. This is what the whole college/university culture is all about. A society that has a drinking culture usually lose their inhibitions, their shame and anything goes.
This is why you see Arabs, Persians, Afghans, Paki that grow up in the West sometimes or maybe often also fall into this trap thinking this is the norm.

In Afghanistan, when males choose a mate, they mostly look at the health, piety and adab of the girl because he is thinking not just a healthy mate but also about the role model for his kids. He is not thinking about sexual experimentation like in the West. His main thoughts are about his offsprings and the same for the lady.

Here is the study:
The Body and the Beautiful: Health, Attractiveness and Body Composition in Men’s and Women’s Bodies

Backtrack? Uhhh right, if you say so...

As for this study, None of this had to do with your Sexual Hierarchy of races regarding Asians.


Ironically, [___this___] whole leg of the discussion is a backtrack from the original claim about Veganism and Testosterone, which lead to your backtrack to Asians and your backtrack now to health markers and attractiveness.

[Insight]

Your analysis is flimsy and not well thought out. Also I made you backtrack about short skinny East Asian men who you initally thought they are on par with Pashtuns. Reminds me of the old days when I would always make you backtrack your initial thoughts. haha

After the sexual revolution, Western culture has evolved and is much different today than it was. Today most people in the West dont find mates to have children with so the evolutionary natural selection is out the door. They just want to sexually experiment. They just want a boyfriend/girlfriend for a night, a week, a month or two. They find people who want similar experiments by adding drugs, alcohol, certain lifestyle into the mixture. This is what the whole college/university culture is all about. A society that has a drinking culture usually lose their inhibitions, their shame and anything goes.
This is why you see Arabs, Persians, Afghans, Paki that grow up in the West sometimes or maybe often also fall into this trap thinking this is the norm.

In Afghanistan, when males choose a mate, they mostly look at the health, piety and adab of the girl because he is thinking not just a healthy mate but also about the role model for his kids. He is not thinking about sexual experimentation like in the West. His main thoughts are about his offsprings and the same for the lady.

Here is the study:
The Body and the Beautiful: Health, Attractiveness and Body Composition in Men’s and Women’s Bodies

This research that you linked only used whites. The results are limited. From the authors names, I think the researchers are white too. The authors identity typically should not matter, but biases have to be noted.


"Recruitment was restricted to Caucasian participants between ages 18–30 to minimise the potentially confounding effects of age and ethnicity "


Secondly, this research is about fat and attractiveness.

I like curvy apple figure women. These guys might like stick like skinny women..there is a difference on what individuals are atttacted to.