Veganism and Islam

[Insight]

My point is your explanation is very tenuous and poorly/vaguely correlated It's like saying people like Sunny weather vs. Rainy Weather and then showing me a study about how people like "Good things" more than people liking "bad things" and suggest this "naturally" falls within this.

The studies you posted really have nothing to do with each other and even the counterpoints you made don't either. You've taken a set of certain biases you hold, then look for things that you believe affirms those biases and then shoehorn them together to suggest a link. That's exactly the wrong way to demonstrate a position.

Exactly, the study Khushal posted had nothing to do with his originsl claims. The research he linked can pretty much be summed up like this : "what white guys like!! Fat or skinny "

And even that can not be seen as fact. It is one study that used Im assuming a randomized sample. It gives us indications, and we can infer things. Point is Khushal should start backing his claims instead of just posting a research he remembered.

P.S. I believe the original research he was talking about at first was the Ok cupid one.

[khushal]

Yes, I would say they are because as far as nutrition is concerned, Most Afghans in rural regions have a similar nutrion and lifettyle as rural Chinese who are the majority of China so they have comparable attributes as far as "masculinity" is concerned. It also just dawned on me Most Pashtuns in the Watan eat a primarily vegetarian diet since meat is harder to produce and thus very expensive and harder to come by due to poverty and drought.

As far as what you're saying about "quality", there are two things to consider bioavailability and completness. While Animal based proteins are more complete and have more micronutrients, so from that angle it is better, but from a perspective of bioavailability ....red meat and chicken are actually not that good because they're harder to breakdown. Milk and Eggs are the best and then plant sources in between.

Thats a myth. Ive been in the villages and most people have cows and chicken so dairy and eggs are available daily and people share with others. Meat on the other hand was more like 5 times a week in the summer but less in the winter. Still Pashtuns are most likely a people that settled recently since we were nomads not too long ago where our main diet was meat and dairy.

harder to break down does not necessarily mean its not good unless you have a study that says otherwise.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Thats a myth. Ive been in the villages and most people have cows and chicken so dairy and eggs are available daily and people share with others. Meat on the other hand was more like 5 times a week in the summer but less in the winter. Still Pashtuns are most likely a people that settled recently since we were nomads not too long ago where our main diet was meat and dairy.

harder to break down does not necessarily mean its not good unless you have a study that says otherwise.

The things you wrote "sharing" for milk and eggs is exactly why meat is rare, They don't have enough for cattle production for meat and dairy production. This is a reality of poverty and being in an arid climate and war for 30 years. Even in my father's day they had to import animals, this was before all the turmoil.


Here's some data about it too. I mean Afghans are smuggling meat into Afghanistan around areas of Afghanistan you're orginally from. So I doubt they eat meat 5 days a week there.

Afghanistan becomes net meat importer, despite livestock traditions

Also I don't think you understood my previous point about bioavailability based on your response and I'm beginning to think you may not understand much of this stuff in general at this point.

[khushal]

The things you wrote "sharing" for milk and eggs is exactly why meat is rare, They don't have enough for cattle production for meat and dairy production. This is a reality of poverty and being in an arid climate and war for 30 years. Even in my father's day they had to import animals, this was before all the turmoil.


Here's some data about it too. I mean Afghans are smuggling meat into Afghanistan around areas of Afghanistan you're orginally from. So I doubt they eat meat 5 days a week there.

Afghanistan becomes net meat importer, despite livestock traditions

Also I don't think you understood my previous point about bioavailability based on your response and I'm beginning to think you may not understand much of this stuff in general at this point.

That's because of the recent urbanization. My parents in the village ate more meat than their cousins in Kabul did. When ever my parents visited Kabul, their cousins would always be excited about what they would call "watan qwuch" that they would always bring with them.

People in rural areas have more access to animal based proteins just because of access to them.


Dont worry, we understand it. The higher the bioavailability, the better the absorption rate but that doesnt necessarily mean you get less of quality from foods that are harder to break down.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

That's because of the recent urbanization. My parents in the village ate more meat than their cousins in Kabul did. When ever my parents visited Kabul, their cousins would always be excited about what they would call "watan qwuch" that they would always bring with them.

People in rural areas have more access to animal based proteins just because of access to them.


Dont worry, we understand it. The higher the bioavailability, the better the absorption rate but that doesnt necessarily mean you get less of quality from foods that are harder to break down.

Can you show that it was because of recent urbanization? People in rural areas don't have have as much access meat because they depend on animals for basically everything else and they sell their animal products to urban areas. This is more true in the old days when they had fewer facilities for acquiring water. It's a simple economic process. If they ate meat more regularly they'd have less animal products. They're not in industrial economies where they can do both without impact to the other.