Discussion between Khan and Momin

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If the name of the Mosaic Messiah was not clearly mentioned, then don't expect the same from the Muhammadan Messiah!

4:69 refers to 4 ranks. Why do you accept 3 of them and not the 4th one?

[Khan]

Stop playing with words answer the questions with logical reasons like a real man.


As for those 4 ranks. I disagreed with the first one Prophethood based on your Ahmadiya's claim which is that an individual will get the rank of a Prophet, what I really meant was explained in my previous post. I am going to paste it here.

"Surah An Nisa Verse 69 (4:69) which says "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they."

Anyone obeying Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH) will be among those groups of people on whom Allah (SWT) has showered his blessings already for example Prophets, Truthful, Martyrs, and the Righteous."

And let me return your advice to you don't just read try to understand too.

Now answer the questions I asked without playing with words, otherwise I won't leave anything behind in telling you the harshest thing ever because it's not your first time that you are insulting our Prophet (PBUH) in an indirect way and misleading the youngsters in here. You won't have the right to complain either and call me a Kaafir and not a good Muslim because I throw insults because I really don't care about anyone who spreads lies and misleading information about my religion and prophet.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Like a real man, eh?

Don't worry "real man,"I am not running away anywhere.

It has been 1430 that people are still rejecting the Prophet (saw). What is your point? Is his name not mentioned? Which kind of "logical reasons" do you want? Your are very illogical, so how do know what logical is?

Now back to 4:69:

Don't rush it "real man," take it slowly. I am not running away.

Why do you accept the first 3 ranks that a Muslim can reach as per 4:69 and not the fourth?

There are 4 mentioned there, without exception or abrogation. Why are you not accepting all four? Why are you only accepting 3 of them? Who are you to accept 3 out 4 and not the 4th? Did you received some special revelation that we should all know of?

- You post the translation and Tafseer of Al-Fateha then further add the translation of Surah An Nisa Verse 69 (4:69) which says "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they." According to you anyone who follows the path of Allah (SWT) and his Prophet (PBUH) will achieve the following spiritual ranks.

1. Prophethood
2. Truthfulness
3. Martyrdom
4. Righteousness

I agree that an individual following the path of Allah (SWT) and sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a very Truthful, Righteous and can even acheive martyrdom if he is killed while he is in Imaan but I highly and completely disagree with him becoming a Prophet. When Allah (SWT) himself claims that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is the last of the prophets and there will be no other Prophet after him.

There is only one way that I will agree with you: if you claim that the Quran has contradictions.

[Khan]

Now let me forget being civilized for a while and teach you some real reason, ensaan Ahmaq!

Where the hell did this thing come from?
It has been 1430 that people are still rejecting the Prophet (saw). What is your point? Is his name not mentioned? Which kind of "logical reasons" do you want? Your are very illogical, so how do know what logical is?

You illegitimate of Mirza Ghalib, did you in anywhere read me writing anything as such in this thread or in any other thread? Past Razeel Da Kuja Zadem Ee Gapa?

When you cannnot answer a question then back the fk off away from making meaningless claims which later holds yourself from your throat.

Before making this post I clearly wrote that why and in what way I do not accept the first rank Prophethood in plain English. Now if you have been screwed in the back by a blind person and cannot read something simple I do not blame you. Yet again you come up with the stupidest questions on the face of earth? When I found out that you were disowned by your family for accepting Ahmadism I felt really sorry but now I feel like I should not have been sorry and have come to the conclusion that you really deserved it. Yes, I know your whole history. This is for those who have not been able to to see the real face behind the mask you hold.

And for the record who the fk are you to show agreements with me? My whole purpose of this debate was to raise awareness among the people in here. Otherwise I really dont need your agreement on any matter with me. Because you are one of those jokers who first ask the questions then when they are answered they play hide & seek game by raising unrelated and meaningless accusations.

I have answered each and every of your concerns but again you came up with the same questions without bothering yourself even a bit to understand a point behind a post made.

ADMINS, THERE IS NO POINT FOR THIS THREAD TO CONTINUE. MOMIN IS DANCING AROUND LIKE A CIRCUS MONKEY, AT THE SAME TIME HE IS ASKING SILLY QUESTIONS AND MAKING ACCUSATIONS. INFACT ALL HIS QUESTIONS HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED EVEN IF THEY HAVE BEEN QUIET STUPID. YOU GUYS CAN CLOSE THIS THREAD, I AM DONE WITH IT. AS FOR ME BEING RUDE AND HARSH TO HIM, I AM NOT SORRY AT ALL AND I MEAN IT.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I am not dancing around. You have been caught in a contradiction.

On the one hand you accept that 3 of the 4 statuses that someone can reach as per 4:69 but you reject 1 of 4.

If you had rejected all 4 then you would have had a stance, but you accepted 3 of them, and left 1 of them. You are NOT honest. You are clearly rejecting a Quranic injunction.

This proves that you only pick and choose what you want. You don't care for the Quran.

As per 4:69 anyone who obeys Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) ONLY can reach to prophethood now. Prophethood is only attainable in the ummah of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) now. This is confirmed by 57:19. In 57:19 attaining prophethood has been left out in the ummah of other prophets. But 4:69 confirms that it is open to the followers of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) ONLY.

The only way for me to fall for your deceit is for you to say that the Holy Quran is contradictory. Otherwise, you are not a follower of the Quran by only accepting 3 out of 4 mentioned in 4:69 and reject the first and the most highest honour that is mentioned in that verse which is PROPHETHOOD.

[Khan]

Now an Ahmadi is going to tell me if I am a follower of Quran or not. Oh Shut the hell up you idiot. Bring anyone from anywhere and ask them if my posts show any contradiction against Holy Quran.

Or do you want me to bring Hameed, Baktash, Rawanshenas and others who kicked your ass in AF for making the same alleged accusations so they beat some sense in your head??



Khoda lawda lawda nasaaz wa lachari ham nako. Stop making any accusations looks like your Mirza ghulam has come in your dream and promised you a place among them. Make sure you do not die of diarrhea the same way he did beside his kamot.

The best would be to shut your mouth and stop making accusations or this is gonna get even worse.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Of course you are not going to admit that you have contradicted yourself. Of course not!

But it is clear that you have.

You are accusing me of dancing around when in reality it is yourself who is dancing around.

You clearly wrote that you only accept 3/4 statuses that a Muslim can reach as per 4:69 but not the 4th one. Why? Who are you to not accept the 4th one?

Ahmadis have that much love for the Quran that they accept all 4.

The reason why you don't want to accept the 4th, which is prophethood, is because you would be forced to accept Ahmadiyyat. But you don't want to accept Ahmadiyyat because Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is Punjabi. But just so you know, you got it wrong, he is of Persian decent.

Just so you know, even if he was of Punjabi decent I would still have accepted him because Allah has appointed him.

Don't forget that Allah says in the Quran that a Muslim is not allow to differentiate between prophets, we accept them ALL.

I am done with you.

[Khan]

^ Besyaar Ensaaan Kaseef wa Na Paak Boodi!!!!

Your parents knew you better that's why they disowned you. Allah (SWT) bless them for such a good deed.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why are you upset?

You got caught red handed and now you have no way out.

I have not said anything that you yourself have not admitted.

I agree that an individual following the path of Allah (SWT) and sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a very Truthful, Righteous and can even acheive martyrdom if he is killed while he is in Imaan but I highly and completely disagree with him becoming a Prophet. When Allah (SWT) himself claims that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is the last of the prophets and there will be no other Prophet after him.

Now who is the " Ensaaan Kaseef wa Na Paak?"

You are picking and choosing, you are not accepting the Quran in full.

[Khan]

Mr. Idiot,


This is my answer for the 10th time. Since your eyes have been covered by the filth of Mirza Ghulam, you are not able to read things well.


"Surah An Nisa Verse 69 (4:69) which says "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they."



Tafseer:
Anyone obeying Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH) will be among those groups of people on whom Allah (SWT) has showered his blessings already for example Prophets, Truthful, Martyrs, and the Righteous."


Where does it say that the individual will get the rank of a Prophet?

I agree that an individual following the path of Allah (SWT) and sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a very Truthful, Righteous and can even acheive martyrdom if he is killed while he is in Imaan but I highly and completely disagree with him becoming a Prophet.


I still stand on my above comment highlighted by you. Maybe I should put it in more simple words. Very easily so your peanut size brain can adjust it well.

If I walk on the path of Allah (SWT) all my life and accept Prophet (PBUH)'s sayings. Then I'll for sure be a truthful, righteous person and will get martyrdom if I'm killed. But I will not become a Prophet!! Mind you.

Now which part of this was hard to grasp. You could ask the other members to judge not the ones who hate you but the ones who have always agreed and thanked every post of yours.


Seriously dude, stop it. You are just embarrassing yourself nor do I have more patience to continue this discussion with you. Because you keep on nagging on one point and when it's answered already you are not prepared to read, understand and accept it. But when you are asked a question for example your Mirza's name in Holy Quran and Ahadith? then you turn around your ass and walk away. AND DONT EVEN TRY TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, I KNOW YOU HAVE GOT NO ANSWERS FOR IT.


This discussion is done, you can continue with yourself. The others who have any questions from me are most welcomed but NOT YOU piece of ****!. Now get lost.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

"Surah An Nisa Verse 69 (4:69) which says "And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings - the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And an excellent company are they."

Tafseer:
Anyone obeying Allah (SWT) and his Messenger (PBUH) will be among those groups of people on whom Allah (SWT) has showered his blessings already for example Prophets, Truthful, Martyrs, and the Righteous."

Where does it say that the individual will get the rank of a Prophet?

I agree that an individual following the path of Allah (SWT) and sayings of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) is a very Truthful, Righteous and can even acheive martyrdom if he is killed while he is in Imaan but I highly and completely disagree with him becoming a Prophet.

I still stand on my above comment highlighted by you. Maybe I should put it in more simple words. Very easily so your peanut size brain can adjust it well.

If I walk on the path of Allah (SWT) all my life and accept Prophet (PBUH)'s sayings. Then I'll for sure be a truthful, righteous person and will get martyrdom if I'm killed. But I will not become a Prophet!! Mind you.

Again, you have proven me correct.

If you are going to reject Prophethood then you have to also reject the other three, because your tafseer has included all 4.

You don't seize to amaze me.

Do you even pay attention to what you are posting?

[Khan]

I am done with you and I can't repeat myself again and again. Everything is said very clearly in plain English. You are one of those run around a circle trying to find the starting point. All your questions have been answered now that you don't accept them it's not my problem. I asked you to answer my questions you didn't! I asked you to ask other members to judge this discussion and see who they agree with? You didn't!

[Khan]

FOR THE LAST TIME, ANYBODY ELSE WITH ANY QUESTIONS CONCERNING THIS DISCUSSION IS MOST WELCOMED, OTHERWISE THIS DISCUSSION HAS NOTHING ELSE TO CONTINUE.

Allah Hafiz and May you all have a blessed ramadan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

<---That is all I can say about you.

Ah, it feels good to see you run away.

Did you think that just by saying that I am wrong, I will accept it? Little did you know that you yourself have no clue what you believe in.

The fact that you believe in 3 of the 4 and not the 4th, despite the verse is clearly mentioning 4, proves that you have no faith in the Quran. Then you presented a tafseer where ALL 4 are mentioned. This further shows your dishonesty.

But it is ok, i was not expecting you to admit you were wrong. At least it is clear that you have accepted 3 of the 4. Why you have not accepted the 4th is clear. You would be forced to accept Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as).

[Khan]

<---That is all I can say about you.

Ah, it feels good to see you run away.

Did you think that just by saying that I am wrong, I will accept it? Little did you know that you yourself have no clue what you believe in.

The fact that you believe in 3 of the 4 and not the 4th, despite the verse is clearly mentioning 4, proves that you have no faith in the Quran. Then you presented a tafseer where ALL 4 are mentioned. This further shows your dishonesty.

But it is ok, i was not expecting you to admit you were wrong. At least it is clear that you have accepted 3 of the 4. Why you have not accepted the 4th is clear. You would be forced to accept Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as).

You son of a bitch, the 4th one has been explained again and again in my posts that why and according to what reasons. I am not sure if you really read my posts or not. and FK your Mirza ghulam along you together. Now back the fk off away.