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  • #31
    For the rest of the members;

    PF censors the link of another forum where Momin has been there by the name of Countryman, Hamwatan and the same way just like here has been given answers but as usuals have ignored them and moved on to childish questions. The website's name is Afghan forums and the thread is called What is Ahmadiyat? By a member called Hameed it is in the 12th Page. Even if he goes back and starts editing his comments he cannot edit the others comments who quoted him.

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    • #32
      There is no way you can explain it because 4:69 explains it clearly. There is no exception in that verse.
      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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      • #33
        You are now only picking and choosing.

        The way you are interpreting the verse is contradictory. Are you saying that the verse has been abrogated?
        Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

        [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

        [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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        • #34
          The other thing that you fail to understand is that if there is 4 mentioned you must accept all four. Period.
          Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

          [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

          [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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          • #35
            The fact is of the matter is very clear: you have been caught red handed that you have a contradictory understanding of the Quran.

            4:69 clearly mentions that Prophethood is part of the ranks that a Muslim can reach.

            If you believe in the other 3 then you must believe in the 4th. You either have to reject the whole verse or accept the whole verse.
            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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            • #36
              وَمَن يُطِعِ اللّهَ وَالرَّسُولَ فَأُوْلَـئِكَ مَعَ الَّذِينَ أَنْعَمَ اللّهُ عَلَيْهِم مِّنَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَالصِّدِّيقِينَ وَالشُّهَدَاءِ وَالصَّالِحِينَ وَحَسُنَ أُولَـئِكَ رَفِيقًا

              [4:69] And whoso obeys Allah and this Messenger of His shall be among those on whom Allah has bestowed His blessings, namely, the Prophets, the Truthful, the Martyrs, and the Righteous. And excellent companions are these.
              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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              • #37
                Here is it very clear that there is 4 ranks to which a believer can reach. Nothing has be left out.

                Now what you must do is to re-translate or re-do the tafseer for 33:40.
                Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                • #38
                  مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

                  [33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.


                  Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                  [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                  [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by MeemWawMeemNoon View Post
                    مَّا كَانَ مُحَمَّدٌ أَبَا أَحَدٍ مِّن رِّجَالِكُمْ وَلَكِن رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ وَكَانَ اللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمًا

                    [33:40] Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.


                    This is always translated as "seal of the prophet." Why? It is not translated as the last the prophet.
                    Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                    [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                    [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                    • #40
                      If it was it would contradict 4:69
                      Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                      [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                      [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                      • #41
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by tor_khan View Post
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                          There's nothing else left to discuss. The idiot ignores the questions and comes up with another set of idiotic questions hence there is no point to take this discussion any further. And I am not Sorry for whatever rude or uncivil things that came from me.

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                          • #43
                            No question has been ignored. You are just frustrated that I am have you in a headlock that you can't get out of.

                            How on earth are you going to accept part of a verse and reject part of it. Either reject the whole verse or accept the whole verse.
                            Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                            [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                            [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                            • #44
                              Plus, there are other verses that confirm that 4:69 is also referring to continuation of prophethood.
                              Islam will prevail, a promise made by the Creator of this universe:

                              [61:8] They desire to extinguish the light of Allah with the breath of their mouths, but Allah will perfect His light, even if the disbelievers hate it.

                              [61:9] He it is Who has sent His Messenger with the guidance and the Religion of truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religions, even if those who associate partners with God hate it.

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                              • #45
                                ^ Oh Shut up you idiot, you are talking as if you are in a wrestling match. Ahmaq!

                                Now get the fk out of my face.

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