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    Rethinking Islamic Reform

    Rethinking Islamic Reform: Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan - YouTube

    This entire debate is very educational and important to watch but in lieu of recent discussions I'd like to bring to attention the parts of the talk given by Sheikh Hamza Yusuf from

    30:30-44:00 is probably the most insightful; It's long so I don't want to advocate watching the whole 3 hour video, but definitely this.

    [MENTION=1444]Azmal[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=18139]Shapur[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=19424]Firdousi[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=1201]Toramana[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=18484]Porus[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=18842]Samandri[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=1772]BarakzaiAbdali[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=1547]khushal[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=19473]Golden[/MENTION]
    [MENTION=17856]Sarbani[/MENTION]


    And even [MENTION=4505]Khostai[/MENTION] .....as long as you can have a mature discussion and not devolve into Ghetto language.

    [MENTION=18887]Damir9000[/MENTION] same goes for you, mature discussion

    [MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION] too as long as you don't use this spin doctor some propaganda for Putin.

    No Bickering or name calling please.

    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
    don’t try to be smart.
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    I used to watch him alot before.



    "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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    • #3
      Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan are both filthy kafirs who are promoting a Western version of Islam inspired by secular liberalism. Their followers are like people who identify with Western values and Western norms.
      Originally posted by Firdousi
      Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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      • #4
        Shamlawar, what qualifications do you have to takfir anyone?

        Furthermore did you even watch the discussion? They actually appeal to the Islamic Jurisprudence tradition, if you have a legitimate counter to their claims, or if they are in error then please demonstrate where they have errored in their exposition within the video.
        Last edited by Iblis_Efreetzai; 06-17-2016, 09:31 PM.

        Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


        Originally posted by ذو الفقار
        don’t try to be smart.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
          I used to watch him alot before.
          Good for you, now if you can actually discuss the content of the video, it'd be more conducive.

          Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


          Originally posted by ذو الفقار
          don’t try to be smart.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
            Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan are both filthy kafirs who are promoting a Western version of Islam inspired by secular liberalism. Their followers are like people who identify with Western values and Western norms.
            I learned that too.
            They propagate their own version/interpretation/mix of Islam which I actually enjoyed better than regular strict version.

            They Islamic World would be probably be better off with his version imo.
            Last edited by Damir9000; 06-18-2016, 03:05 PM.



            "False beliefs influence our actions and degrade our character."

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Damir9000 View Post
              I learned that too.
              They propagate their own version/interpretation/mix of Islam which I actually enjoyed better than regular strict version.

              They Islamic World would be probably be better off with his version imo.

              This is untrue , they don't have a version of Islam , they both come from already existing normative tradition in Islam. Watch the video in full they go into full detail about it. Not a single reference to Western ideologues

              Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


              Originally posted by ذو الفقار
              don’t try to be smart.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan are both filthy kafirs who are promoting a Western version of Islam inspired by secular liberalism. Their followers are like people who identify with Western values and Western norms.
                Is there any scholar that isn't a dirty kafir pedo etc ?? Which modern imaams do you look up to or regard as a Muslim (serious question) .. Do you regard al-baghdadi as one of your own people?
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                *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                Originally posted by Karachi
                like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                  Is there any scholar that isn't a dirty kafir pedo etc ?? Which modern imaams do you look up to or regard as a Muslim (serious question) .. Do you regard al-baghdadi as one of your own people?
                  Don't be such a cry baby.
                  Originally posted by Firdousi
                  Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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                  • #10
                    Shamlawar, you rarely ever contribute anything except takfir and accusations against people. Unless you're a qualified 'Alim and can show a degree from an accredited Islamic Jurisprudential school that is ratified from Shayukh from All 4 Sunni Madhha'ib. and then show daleel for your claims

                    Then I highly recommend you desist from doing that, or in the very least state that they're simply your opinions.

                    Growing a beard, calling people kafir does not make you a Sheikh.

                    Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                    Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                    don’t try to be smart.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Manzareh View Post
                      Is there any scholar that isn't a dirty kafir pedo etc ?? Which modern imaams do you look up to or regard as a Muslim (serious question) .. Do you regard al-baghdadi as one of your own people?
                      The main problem with his Takfir is that, Kufr has a very specific technical meaning in Islam. Kufr refers to those who outrightly reject Belief in Allah(swt), the Prophets and Revelations. differing on how those can be applied does not in and of itself constitute "kufr" unless it's directly negating what was revealed.

                      So a Muslim that endorses secularism "might" be wrong for doing so, BUT they're NOT automatically a Kafir. If Kufr meant that the way Islam is applied, automatically makes one a kafir, then he's basically implying the Imams of the 4 Sunni Madhha'ib are now kafirs, since they clearly had differences on what they concluded with respects to Islamic legal application in many regards.

                      And the Qualified Shayukh always ....and I mean ALWAYS end their surmrise with "And Allah Knows best" implying that they could always be making human error, even though their work undergoes intense rigor and as accurate of information they had available to them. You'll notice Shamlawar NEVER does this, and yet he's not even a Qualified Scholar.

                      Also, as economist Kaushik Basu says: "For a nation to progress it is important for people to spend time on science, mathematics and literature instead of spending time showing that 5,000 years ago their ancestors did science, mathematics and literature."


                      Originally posted by ذو الفقار
                      don’t try to be smart.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                        Hamza Yusuf & Tariq Ramadan are both filthy kafirs who are promoting a Western version of Islam inspired by secular liberalism. Their followers are like people who identify with Western values and Western norms.
                        So then what is the correct Islam? To go around murdering innocents, promoting the degradation and beating of women etc?
                        "If a lion comes and takes your share, go get it back from the mouth of the lion"

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View Post
                          Don't be such a cry baby.
                          Be humble.
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                          *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                          Originally posted by Karachi
                          like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                            The main problem with his Takfir is that, Kufr has a very specific technical meaning in Islam. Kufr refers to those who outrightly reject Belief in Allah(swt), the Prophets and Revelations. differing on how those can be applied does not in and of itself constitute "kufr" unless it's directly negating what was revealed.

                            So a Muslim that endorses secularism "might" be wrong for doing so, BUT they're NOT automatically a Kafir. If Kufr meant that the way Islam is applied, automatically makes one a kafir, then he's basically implying the Imams of the 4 Sunni Madhha'ib are now kafirs, since they clearly had differences on what they concluded with respects to Islamic legal application in many regards.

                            And the Qualified Shayukh always ....and I mean ALWAYS end their surmrise with "And Allah Knows best" implying that they could always be making human error, even though their work undergoes intense rigor and as accurate of information they had available to them. You'll notice Shamlawar NEVER does this, and yet he's not even a Qualified Scholar.
                            He makes outrageous claims and runs away when questioned in the most simplest ways, he did it with the rumi thing and now in this topic. This could either be arrogance or ignorance. Arrogance: "I'm to good to answer people" .. Ignorance: "I don't really know why I said that, I have no solid reference" .. Either way one should not even bring the subject up or even speak if they we not willing to bring the conversations THEY START to a conclusion of some sort.
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                            *You cannot climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pockets*

                            Originally posted by Karachi
                            like I said, there was only one reason I pretended to be pathan, for a girl, who was from Afghan forums and also registered here

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Iblis_Efreetzai View Post
                              The main problem with his Takfir is that, Kufr has a very specific technical meaning in Islam. Kufr refers to those who outrightly reject Belief in Allah(swt), the Prophets and Revelations. differing on how those can be applied does not in and of itself constitute "kufr" unless it's directly negating what was revealed.

                              So a Muslim that endorses secularism "might" be wrong for doing so, BUT they're NOT automatically a Kafir. If Kufr meant that the way Islam is applied, automatically makes one a kafir, then he's basically implying the Imams of the 4 Sunni Madhha'ib are now kafirs, since they clearly had differences on what they concluded with respects to Islamic legal application in many regards.

                              And the Qualified Shayukh always ....and I mean ALWAYS end their surmrise with "And Allah Knows best" implying that they could always be making human error, even though their work undergoes intense rigor and as accurate of information they had available to them. You'll notice Shamlawar NEVER does this, and yet he's not even a Qualified Scholar.
                              Thats one of the most ridiculous explanation of Takfir I have ever seen.
                              Originally posted by Firdousi
                              Never talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.

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