Discussion of Ahmadi between Akbar Khan and MeemWawMeemNoon

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I don't play games. This thread should be evidence enough to show that I am firm in what I believe.

I hope that it is you who does not play games and in the moment of truth you don't bail out.

You must refute EVERYTHING I will present.

NO HALF BAKED QUOTES. YOU MUST PROVE YOUR CASE USING THE QURAN AND YOU MUST REFUTE ME USING THE QURAN.

[Khan]

To me and to the rest of the millions of Muslims it's quiet clear who was Mirza Ghulam ahmad and what was his reality. All I want to know is that you prove your claim that he is a prophet of Allah (SWT).

I want to see your source that too from Holy Quran and Ahadith. It's not my first time with you we come from the time when Hameed in AF made a thread on Ahmadiyat. I have even saved its link with me till today and can post it here if the Admins don't mind me posting a different forum's link in here but it's only for the purpose of awareness nothing else.

[Khan Gul]

You are mistaken.

This is what you said:

His condition was due to fatigue and weakness. But he died on his bed. If you had listened to the whole clip it further explains everything.

I am really shocked at you. You turned out to be a liar.

I am not a liar but rather Qadiyanat is a miserable web of lies and stupidities. In his book Dafi Al-bala, Page 10 & 11 by Ghulam Ahmed, he writes: “The true God is that Who sent his messenger in Qadiyan. And God will save Qadiyan from the outbreak of epidemic even if the epidemic prevails for seventy consecutive years.”

Contrary to Mirza Ghulam Ahmed’s prophecy, while other parts of the country remained safe, the outbreak of epidemic rapidly spread in Qadiyan even in the lifetime of the imposter. Mirza Ghulam Ahmed even wrote to his son-in-law Nawab Mohammad Ali confirming the spread of epidemic in Qadiyan and his own house (see Muktubat Ahmadia, Page 112).

The clip you produced even confirms Mirza Ghulam Ahmed died of Diarrhea. Obviously, we don’t expect a Qadiyani scholar to say on a YouTube clip Mirza took his last breathe in toilet, but this was exactly what happened. Yes, I agree with you Mirza died of fatigue and weakness. For your information diarrhea indeed makes people very weak

[شمله ور خراساني]

I don't play games. This thread should be evidence enough to show that I am firm in what I believe.

I hope that it is you who does not play games and in the moment of truth you don't bail out.

You must refute EVERYTHING I will present.

NO HALF BAKED QUOTES. YOU MUST PROVE YOUR CASE USING THE QURAN AND YOU MUST REFUTE ME USING THE QURAN.

Why would be bother with quran if the sayings of the charlatan, Mirza Ghulam are enough evidence to confirm he was lying and telling nonsense?

[Baygham]

On a less formal note:
I was sitting in a gathering some time back in Peshawar. Infront was a retired Major. A qadiani eloquently explaining the glorious virtues of his faith. To my right sat an Afghan refugee, living in 'kacha karray' camp. Poor, destitude, uneducated but a proud pakhtun.

After the Major got done with his sermon. Kabuli baba as we called the Afghan slowly started talking. He said, " major saab, you are educated and an enlightened person. I on the other hand am illitrate and poor. If you tell me that it is sunny outside I will believe you, if you say it is dark, I will take your word for it too. What ever you say I will have to agree for you have accomplished much in life. Kho "punjabay peghambar me zameer na mani".

[akbarkhan]

But nonetheless, you can't expect Iblis to become a Muslim. It is not in his nature.


Let us deal with this one only, for you want to play a "concise" game.

You said that Dajjal Mirza never claimed superiority over Mohammad pbuh, I gave you several references where he has blatantly claimed to be superior!

If you want to deal with only one then why don't you start with the first one!? And if you are so into dealing with "only one quote" then you should deal with the very first quote I posed on this forum instead of ducking and dodging!

We lack honesty? Didn't I make you admit right here on this very forum that you are a liar? To which you replied "who cares" if you lied!


Now you halfwit, the first part of that quote is found in Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79 and the second part is found in Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41!


You going to brawl your eyes out again and claim that this is "out of context", "figurative language" and "metaphorical"? Regardless of your school grade excuses, you still need to answer all the quotes where Dajjal Mirza has claimed superiority over Mohammmad pbuh, don't assume you will be let of the hook by singling anything out!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Now you halfwit, the first part of that quote is found in Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79 and the second part is found in Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41!

That just says: "Because in which state some 100,000 prophecies have been fulfilled the like of daylight and on a daily basis new..."

Where does this say that he is superior than the Prophet (saw)?

Who are you trying to fool?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

On a less formal note:
I was sitting in a gathering some time back in Peshawar. Infront was a retired Major. A qadiani eloquently explaining the glorious virtues of his faith. To my right sat an Afghan refugee, living in 'kacha karray' camp. Poor, destitude, uneducated but a proud pakhtun.

After the Major got done with his sermon. Kabuli baba as we called the Afghan slowly started talking. He said, " major saab, you are educated and an enlightened person. I on the other hand am illitrate and poor. If you tell me that it is sunny outside I will believe you, if you say it is dark, I will take your word for it too. What ever you say I will have to agree for you have accomplished much in life. Kho "punjabay peghambar me zameer na mani".

Yes, the King of Persia did not accept the Holy Prophet (saw) because his conscience could not accept it.

What is your point?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Now you halfwit, the first part of that quote is found in Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79 and the second part is found in Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41!

How much more deceiving can you get? Are you going glue two different quotes together and show them as one just two different parts?

You have truly lost all sense of honesty.

I can't believe you.

I am not surprised. You are immoral afterall.

[Baygham]

Yes, the King of Persia did not accept the Holy Prophet (saw) because his conscience could not accept it.

What is your point?

Why the fascination with calling yourself momin and musalman. To me its like the homosexuals calling their union as marriege. Why bother. Be happy, call your self Qadiani or ahmadi and be content.

Once you dont agree with vatican church doctrine you are not a catholic, or if you think the cow is a stingy gas producing filth than calling yourself a hindu would be a strech. Similarly if I were to insist that I am a pious musalman but dont believe in Quran or Allah, how would that sound. Similarly if Muhammad is not the last prophet than move on, good for you, but dont cry foul for being pushed aside trying to call your version true Islam. It may be true, but it is not Islam.

[akbarkhan]

How much more deceiving can you get? Are you going glue two different quotes together and show them as one just two different parts?

You have truly lost all sense of honesty.

I can't believe you.

I am not surprised. You are immoral afterall.

Are you saying that your Dajjal Mirza has contradicted himself?

"It is a fact that Muhammad(pbuh) worked only three thousand miracles... My Miracles exceed one million in numbers."
(Ijaze-e-Ahmadi, Page 79; Tadhkira tul Shahadatain, Page 41)

Also, don't pretend you can brush aside all the other instances where he claimed to be better than Mohammad pbuh such as the ones I already mentioned and the following ones..

"It is possible for a man to attain a spiritual position higher than any other
man; if any man wishes, he can rise even above Muhammad(SAW)."
(Al-Fadl, July 17, 1922, by Mirza Mahmood Ahmad Qadiani)

"For the holy Prophet, God showed only the sign of Eclipse of Moon; But forme he has shown the sign of Eclipse of both Moon and Sun (solar eclipse),thus will you disbelieve me. If hisKalaam (words) were a miracle, a sign, myKalaam is also a miracle."(Aijaz-e-Ahmadi, Roohany Khazaen, Vol.19, P.183;Ai jaz-e-Ahmadi, P. 71/79)

"The spiritual achievement of our holy prophet(SAW) took place during the 5th thousand (the Mekkan mission) with its brief attributes and that period was not the end of this spiritual achievement. It was rather the first step to the highest pinnacle of its perfection. Thereafter, this spiritual achievement manifested itself in its full glamour during the 6th thousand (the time of MirzaGhulam)."(Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 16, P. 266;Khutba-i-Ilhamiah, P.177)

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I have proven you in every instance that you are misquoting and are misleading people. I don't need to constantly do it. It is just repetitive.

You have no shame nor will you ever have shame. You will never admit that you are misquoting. At least Iblis admitted to misleading people. He had that much self-respect and dignity.

Shame on you, Iblis is far greater than you.

This quote should suffice that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) never considered himself higher than the Holy Prophet (saw):

Exalted Status of the Holy Prophet(saw)

That light of high degree that was bestowed on perfect man was not in angels, was not in stars, was not in the moon, was not in the sun, was not in the oceans and the rivers, was not in rubies, emeralds, sapphires, or pearls; in short, it was not in any earthly or heavenly object. It was only in perfect man whose highest and loftiest and most perfect example was our lord and master, the Chief of the Prophets, the Chief of all living ones, Muhammad, the chosen one [peace and blessings of Allah be on him]. That light was bestowed on this man and, according to their ranks, upon all those who bore the same colour to some degree.... This dignity was found in its highest and most perfect form in our lord and master and our guide, the immaculate Prophet, the righteous one, testified to by the righteous, Muhammad, the chosen one [peace and blessings of Allah be on him].

[A’ina-e-Kamalat-e-Islam, Ruhani Khaza’in, Vol. 5, pp. 160-162]

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why the fascination with calling yourself momin and musalman. To me its like the homosexuals calling their union as marriege. Why bother. Be happy, call your self Qadiani or ahmadi and be content.

Once you dont agree with vatican church doctrine you are not a catholic, or if you think the cow is a stingy gas producing filth than calling yourself a hindu would be a strech. Similarly if I were to insist that I am a pious musalman but dont believe in Quran or Allah, how would that sound. Similarly if Muhammad is not the last prophet than move on, good for you, but dont cry foul for being pushed aside trying to call your version true Islam. It may be true, but it is not Islam.

This is really interesting.

It may not be Islam as per YOU, but it is as per Allah.

[شمله ور خراساني]

This is really interesting.

It may not be Islam as per YOU, but it is as per Allah.

Which allah are you talking about? The allah Muslims believe in does not enter into the body of a British agent who would die from diarrhea.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

No, I am talking about Allah, the God Who sent Hadhrat Adam (as), Hadhrat Ibrahim (as), Hadhrat Musa (as), Hadhrat Isa (as), Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as). I am talking about that Allah.

I don't know who and what you are talking about. Sorry.