Discussion of Ahmadi between Akbar Khan and MeemWawMeemNoon

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Akbarkhan,

prove to me that Hadhrat Isa (as), son of Mariam, of Nazareth, Palestine, is still alive.

That is all that I want to know from you.

PLEASE LIMIT YOURSELF TO QURAN FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND SECONDARY REASONING SHOULD BE AHADITH. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Leave the rest of the useless stuff.

Step up to the plate.

People accuse me of dodging, which I have not, but nonetheless, start from here. This is the foundation on which Ahmadiyyat stands on: the fact that Hadhrat Isa (as) is passed away.

If anyone can prove that he is still alive, then I consider myself defeated and checkmated.

Simple as that.

[akbarkhan]

You are not dodging? Why don't you answer my question then?

This is probably the 10th time I have asked you, I am going to ask you again!

Here is the question, answer it!

Yesterday you implied that you were not a Qadiyani as I have quoted you in my previous post and today you say that you are a Qadiyani and are willing to die for it. So only two things must have happened between yesterday and today.

1. You were not a Qadiyani yesterday, you became on today by taking Bai'ah overnight.
2. You were a Qadiyani, but you chose to be deceitful.

Tell me which of the two is true and I am ready for any kind of debate! If you attempt to brush this aside then you are not worth my time.

How about I quote you below and allow other members to judge whether your statements are contradictory or not?

This is what you said yesterday:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeemWawMeemNoon
Besyaar mushtaaq-e ahmadiyyat astum...qareeb ast ba ba'it kardan.

wa een harf khufiyah nest. lala jaan.

This is what you said today:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MeemWawMeemNoon
Thank you!

If I am wrong, then tell me. Otherwise, to me Ahmadiyyat is right and I will defend it till the day I die.

[akbarkhan]

Momin Khan wrora,

He asked you if you follow Ahmadi sect of Islam.
Just tell him yes you do for the sake of the discussion so he can begin bringing forward his questions.

don't make the debate based on one question I'd appreciate it if the both of you can answer questions that FAQ.

I know he is a Qadiyani, that is not a question. You don't see the point here!

Initially he said "Besyaar mushtaaq-e ahmadiyyat astum...qareeb ast ba ba'it kardan" which means "I find myself very amative or attracted to Qadiyaniat and I am kinda ready for initiation". "Surprisingly", the next day he said that he had been a Qadiyani all along and he is ready to die for it.

So I am asking him, which of the following two happened in those 24 hours, where he went from not being a Qadiyani at all to being a staunch Qadiyani who is even ready to give up his life for it?

1. You were not a Qadiyani yesterday, you became on today by taking Bai'ah overnight.
2. You were a Qadiyani, but you chose to be deceitful.

Which one of the above is true?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Akbarkhan,

this is getting humourous. WHO CARES? Even if I was an Ahmadi 20 years ago, or 10 years ago or yesterday, how is that going to affect your ability to prove that Hadhrat Isa (as) still alive?

Start the discussion. We will take it one question at a time.

If you don't start the discussion from this point onwards, then you are throwing in the towel.

[akbarkhan]

Akbarkhan,

this is getting humourous. WHO CARES? Even if I was an Ahmadi 20 years ago, or 10 years ago or yesterday

Clearly, you lied to everyone and after such a deceitful act, you have the immoral & repulsive audicity to say "who cares"!?

I care! I care when conniving men like you, and the organization on whose payroll you are on, try to misguide our youngsters into an oblivion of darkness through means of deception!

The liar that you are and the lies that you propogate! Never will you see the light of wisdom, forever entrenched will you remain in the abyss of Satan!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^If so, then let us start the discussion, then we will know if it is me who is immoral and repulsive or yourself.

It is you who is all about Red Herrings. You can't have a debate and you hiding behind the veil of my identity.

If you can't start the discussion, then just say so, don't wait until doomsday to see who I am or who I am not.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

This will be my last post to you. If you don't start the discussion then I will take that you stand on NOTHING, except your own conjecture.

[شمله ور خراساني]

this Qadiani is a joke.

He registered here and opened a thrread called "understanding Islam better". From the first day he became a member, he worked his way towards promoting his deviant kufr ideas gradually.

At first he was all innocent and nice and polite. But then he revealed his Qadianism and suddenly he turned into this big black evil snake.

But fortunately people have seen his Kufr here and he has been refuted with clear evidence. Saif ul Haq refuted his false claim that Isa Alaysalaam is dead. But like a typical kaafir, this Qadiani refused to accept it. And continued posting more kufr and blasphemy.

It is useless to talk sense to these people. They are all paid cash money by their Zionist masters who bankrole Qadianism. These Qadiani missionaries make a living out of this. Don't expect them to change or correct themselves. It is not part of their job.

[akbarkhan]

Akbar Khan I really want to see you prove him wrong. or see him proving you wrong rather than this history lesson on who he was.

Thanks.

Young man, you act as if you are affiliated!

I am not on a defensive here, I have not signed up on a Qadiyani forum trying propogate Islam! This Qadiyani guy has signed up on a forum where majority are Muslims hence it is him who should be explaining his stance to us, not the other way around!

Let him explain a few things which makes him and his leader an outright Kafir, once he has clarified those then we can move on to "seal of prophets" and Jesus pbuh.

Explain the following:

God entered Mirza's body
"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p. 104-105)

God converts Mirza into a woman

"Like Maryam the soul of Eisa was breathed into me and metaphorically I was made pregnant, and after many months, which were not more than 10 months, through that inspiration which is mentioned in the end of Braheen Ahmadiyya part 4 page 556, I was converted from Maryam to Eisa, thus this is how I became Eisa Ibne Maryam." (Kishtee-e-Nooh, Roohani Khazain vol. 19 p. 50)

Menstruation of Mirza and The Child of Allah

In one revelation, Mirza's god informs him:

"Babu Ilahi Bukhsh wants to see your menstruation or get information on some filth and impurity but God will show you his rewards, which will continue, and in you there is no menstruation but that child is developing, such a child who is like the Child of Allah." (Tatumma Haqeeqat-ul-Wahi, Roohani Khazain vol. 22 p.581)

p.s I am sure he is gona try and divert attention from these well referenced quotes to something else! I am not interested in other stuff until he explains the above. Why? Because all of the above are outright Kufr!

[شمله ور خراساني]

Qadiani kaafirs never respond to these quotations. Because there is no way you can claim to be a Muslim after saying stuff like that.

But instead, the target ignorant young Muslims with their typical nonsense like claiming Isa alay salaam passed away.

The whole "jesus passed away" is like a brand name for Qadiani kaafirs.

They even made a Youtube channel called Jesus passed away YouTube - ‪JesusPassedAway's Channel‬‎

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Akbarkhan, since you won't take the easy way out, which is to prove whether Hadhrat Isa (as) is dead or alive. I guess you can't prove it.

But nonetheless, you are taking the long way out. Whatever suits you.

Here is the book for the first quote. I am not able to extract the those two pages for the pdf is secured, so I have given the link to the book. Please extract those two pages and highlight the above quote for everyone so that we can all see them.

Just so you know, your reference for the book is not volume 3 but rather volume 13.

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-13-40.pdf

Let us begin in that manner. Please post a copy of those two pages with the relevant quotes highlighted and then we will begin our discussion.

Once we finish the first quote, we shall go to the second and then the third, and then you prove to me that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

[akbarkhan]

Akbarkhan, since you won't take the easy way out, which is to prove whether Hadhrat Isa (as) is dead or alive. I guess you can't prove it.

But nonetheless, you are taking the long way out. Whatever suits you.

Here is the book for the first quote. I am not able to extract the those two pages for the pdf is secured, so I have given the link to the book. Please extract those two pages and highlight the above quote for everyone so that we can all see them.

Just so you know, your reference for the book is not volume 3 but rather volume 13.

http://www.alislam.org/urdu/rk/rk-13-40.pdf

Let us begin in that manner. Please post a copy of those two pages with the relevant quotes highlighted and then we will begin our discussion.

Once we finish the first quote, we shall go to the second and then the third, and then you prove to me that Hadhrat Isa (as) is still alive.

I am not a 16 year old kid, your sly attempts won't work on me so don't bother trying!

I have presented those quotes, it is your job to explain and highlight not mine! If the PDF is secured you can always take a screenshot of it, highlight it and give an explanation!!

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The more you are accusing me of being a kid the more it seems that it is you who is the kid.

YOUR QUOTE IS BOGUS!

The reason why I asked you to upload the two pages and highlight the relevant parts was so that I would be sure that I am not misreading.

Since, you have done the research and it is you who has found these quotes I figured that it should be easy for you to highlight what you have found so that I would not suspect you of anything.

Since you don't have the decency to show exactly where the quote is either means that you have no clue whatsoever because you stole the quote from somewhere else and without verify it--because you are so blind in your hatred--are propagating it (by the way Allah says to verify information before spreading it). Or that you could careless whether the quote is correct or not because you are a dishonest, manipulative, immoral and repulsive person.

That is why I was being honest and suggesting that you should debate the Death of Jesus. The reason being is that we are both familiar with the Quran and ahadith. This way our discussion would be more fruitful. But the fox that you are you decided to skip the method in which you would be eaten alive, instead you opted to take a method by which you can waste time and ask me to find your made-up quotes.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If I am wrong and my accusations are out of place, then here are the two pages to QUOTE #1, you tell me where they are:

Here is the Quote:

God entered Mirza's body
"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 3 p. 104-105)

And here are the two pages, including the title page.