Discussion of Ahmadi between Akbar Khan and MeemWawMeemNoon

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

yaara kho, wrora you don't seem to understand, This Mirza said that he was was the coming of Isa but the trust was that he wasn't because Prophet Isa never did die on the cross and he is still alive, He will reture the day od jugdement where he will better against the dajjal and will win.

Mirza never was a prophet.

If you take the verses and the ahadith literally, then you are correct. I will admit that.

However, I don't take them all literal. I take with the understand of the metaphorical language.

By the way, Hadhrat Isa (as) never died on the cross.

[Master Khan]

yes he never died on the cross and will reture on the day of jugdement, so mirza was lieing.

remember our prohpet Mohammad(s.a.a.w) said on the last sermon

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Beloved brother,

Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) never said that he died on the cross.

But other than that you can things as you wish.

I personally believe that ALL signs have been fulfilled.

[Master Khan]

I know he never said that but he said that, he was the second coming of Isa and that he was a prophet.
so you have to choose believe Mirza or Prophet mohammad(s.a.a.w).

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

I know he never said that but he said that, he was the second coming of Isa and that he was a prophet, so you can choose believe Mirza or Prophet mohammad(s.a.a.w).

My dearest brother,

I believe that Hadhrat Isa (as) is passed away because he had a natural death.

I believe that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) is the Promised Messiah and the Mahdi. I believe without a shadow of doubt that he is a prophet.

I am a strict follower of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). I have accepted Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) on the account of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

[Master Khan]

but prophet mohammad (s.a.a.w) said

O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.

if you are a strict follower of him then follow him and believe what he said.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

His ahadith cannot cannot contradict the Quran. Don't forget that.

[Master Khan]

prophet mohammad or Mirza.
Prophet said NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN.

and Mirza said he was a prophet.

so one of them is a lier...and that is Mirza wrora.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

prophet mohammad or Mirza.
Prophet said NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN.

and Mirza said he was a prophet.

so one of them is a lier...and that is Mirza wrora.

None of them is a liar. They are both fighting for the same cause. Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) does not have a law of his own; he is a follower of the Law of Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

The above hadith has to be compared with other ahadith and Quranic verses.

[spogmai shaglay]

Momin......tell me when did Hazrat Isa die (as u believe) and where is he buried?????? when all Prophets are mentioed In Quran then why not ur Mirza Ghulam....why only his mention is not literal and all the Quran clearly refers to all prophets.....

[Master Khan]

no wrora, thats what Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) said!!.
he said NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN.
I don't think its a hadith..he said that with his own mouth.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Momin......tell me when did Hazrat Isa die (as u believe) and where is he buried?????? when all Prophets are mentioed In Quran then why not ur Mirza Ghulam....why only his mention is not literal and all the Quran clearly refers to all prophets.....

Dearest sister,

First of all, not all prophets' names have been mentioned in the Quran.

Secondly, this 6th verse in Surah Saff is clearly refer to a Prophet with the name Ahmad. This also refers to Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), but Hadhrat Muhammad (saw)'s name was never Ahmad. No one in his lifetime ever called him Ahmad.

[61:6] And remember when Jesus, son of Mary, said, ‘O children of Israel, surely I am Allah’s Messenger unto you, fulfilling that which is before me of the Torah, and giving glad tidings of a Messenger who will come after me. His name will be Ahmad.’ And when he came to them with clear proofs, they said, ‘This is clear enchantment.’

Further, Surah Saff's other verses are also referring back to this verse. And if you read them carefully you would see that they are not talking about the Holy Prophet (saw) but rather another person who is a follower of Hadhrat Muhamamd (saw).

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

no wrora, thats what Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) said!!.
he said NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN.
I don't think its a hadith..he said that with his own mouth.

I would say that this is referring to another prophet appearing immediately after the Prophet (saw). There is a hadith where the Prophet (saw) that if there was to be a prophet after him it would be Hadhrat Umar (ra), but that there is no prophet after him.

Why would the Holy Prophet (saw) mention that Hadhrat Umar (ra) would have been a "prophet" and then say that there is no prophet after him.

This means immediately after his death. It does not mean forever.

The reason being is that the Holy Quran refers to prophets coming in the future.

[Master Khan]

ooh MWMW wrora you never seem give up..I keep telling the same thing over and over again.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

ooh MWMW wrora you never seem give up..I keep telling the same thing over and over again.

Yes, I have noticed, dear brother.

I am just trying to compartmentalize your knowledge vis-a-vis history.

You can choose to belief what you want. However, you have to bring fear of Allah within you. I am refuting your interpretation, because I don't see them the way you have interpreted them.

That is why I don't give up.

If you wish we can continue and I can bring Quranic verses.