Discussion of Ahmadi between Akbar Khan and MeemWawMeemNoon

[Khan]

so u accept that u r an Ahmadi....May Allah Talla show u the right way.......

its clearly mentioned that there would be no prophet after Hazrat Mohommad (saw)......u know it tooooo......

if u are not convinced by the Quran what will make u believe in whatever we say...........

You can simply follow the link he's given. The discussions between me and him. You can see how he plays the word and at the end accuses you of not accepting Holy Quran at the end, he declares Mirza Ghulam a prophet. LOL

[Khan]

I have already given you the answer and the relevant pages for that quote. You have claimed that I have 'misquoted' you, so explain in your own words how I have 'misquoted'?

You'll get used to it don't worry. You'll give thousands of answers yet he'll come up with other dirty tactics but won't be man enough to read your posts carefully.

[Master Khan]

there are no prophets after Muhammad (s.a.a.w.), Even the prophet himself said that, so are you calling Muhammad (s.a.a.w.) a lair?

Comments from the foot notes of the translation of Sheikh (Minister) Abdullah Yusuf Ali; may Allah Almighty rest his soul and make Heaven his final destiny: "When a document is sealed, it is complete, and there can be no further addition. The Holy Prophet Muhammad closed the long line of Messengers. Allah's teaching is and will always be continuous, but there has been and will be no Prophet after Muhammad. The later ages will want thinkers and reformers, not Prophets. This is not an arbitrary matter. It is a decree full of knowledge and wisdom, 'for Allah has full knowledge of all things.'"

[Master Khan]

The Prophet Muhammad's (PBUH) Last Sermon
This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' (in Mecca).

After praising, and thanking Allah he said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and TAKE THESE WORDS TO THOSE WHO COULD NOT BE PRESENT HERE TODAY.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. ALLAH has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib (Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived..

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.
O People, listen to me in earnest, worship ALLAH, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.
Remember, one day you will appear before ALLAH and answer your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.
O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QURAN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O ALLAH, that I have conveyed your message to your people".

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dearest brother,

What about Hadhrat Isa (as)?

[Master Khan]

We are not speaking about Hadhrat Isa but we are speaking about the last prophet, the last prophet is Mohammad(s.a.a.w) and its not Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dearest brother,

If and when Hadhrat Isa (as) comes back he will break the seal and he will be a prophet after Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

According to Sahih Muslim, when he comes back he will be a prophet.

[Master Khan]

Hadhrat Isa was a prophet from the start, he can't just lost his prophethood and then gain it back again.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Dearest brother,

I agree with you!

When Hadhrat Isa (as) comes back and then when he dies he will be the last prophet. Therefore, to translate Khatamun Nabiyyeen as "the last prophet" is wrong. It is translated as "the seal of the prophets" because it does not mean that the he is the last prophet.

If something is sealed then it means that nothing can enter nor can anything escape. But in this case Hadhrat Isa (as) would be breaking the seal. Also, as per the last sermon, Hadhrat Isa (as) will be coming back, so we cannot take the context to mean forever. It means immediately after the Prophet (saw) there will be no prophet.

Hence, seal does not mean to seal the envelope. It means that no prophet can ever come who will abrogate the Law of Islam. Anyone prophet that will appear would have to be authorized by Hadhrat Muhammad (saw), that prophet would have to propagate the message of Islam.

[Master Khan]

but Hadhrat Isa was a prophet before Mohammad (S.a.a.w), and even if he cames back he will still be a prophet, he has been a prophet for 2010 years now..rememmber he is still alive.

I am speaking anout new prophets etc.

[Millatpal Noorzai]

Dearest brother,

If and when Hadhrat Isa (as) comes back he will break the seal and he will be a prophet after Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

According to Sahih Muslim, when he comes back he will be a prophet.

So where does the Punjabi hypocrite fill in?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

but Hadhrat Isa was a prophet before Mohammad (S.a.a.w), and even if he cames back he will still be a prophet, he has been a prophet for 2010 years now..rememmber he is still alive.

I am speaking anout new prophets etc.

Good point!

That is why I want to discuss with people the death of Hadhrat Isa (as).

Do you see where I am going with this?

[Master Khan]

Hadhrat Isa never did die wrora.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If he did not, then I am on your side. However, if he did then it changes the whole demographics.

That is why I keep telling people let us discuss the Death of Jesus.

The key to solving this whole dilemma is the Death of Jesus.

[eyeliner]

^ MWMN....i understand your stance, but ahmdaiyyat concept is illogical and does not go side by side with the traditional islamic teachings. And secondly we are not some kind of authority.