Discussion of Ahmadi between Akbar Khan and MeemWawMeemNoon

[akbarkhan]

akbarkhan, start with this.

I have already given you the answer and the relevant pages for that quote. You have claimed that I have 'misquoted' you, so explain in your own words how I have 'misquoted'?

God entered Mirza's body
"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 13 p. 104-105)

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

when i dont believe in him or his book why would i believe whther it applies to him tooo....

the mention of Dajjal also u say, its in metaphorical sense whenits clearly mentioned how he will look.....what he is ging to do....

Alhumdullilah i am Muslim.....what do u have to say about people who convert from otherreligions to Islam...why they believe and accept the Quran???????

we are compelled to believe in Quran....yes....

there was no compulsion to them... then why have they believed.....

Yes, you have proven my point. It is because you are a Muslim. If you were not you would not have.

How did you come to believe Hadhrat Muhammad (saw)? Because you were born a Musim! Correct?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

akbarkhan, I have refuted that here, now refute what I have said:

If you look at page 2(post 13), where you ask your question, to page 6(post 51), where Jasmine asks you to refute what I have said, you will notice how like a coward you throw more misquoted quotes.

Red Herrings much?

That first quote has been clearly refuted. Now refute what I have said.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Sangar if you were honest, you would tell akbarkhan to at least refute the first one.

But would you do that? Of course not!

[akbarkhan]

akbarkhan, I have refuted that here, now refute what I have said:

No you haven't! Paste your refutation here for everyone to see then!

[spogmai shaglay]

Momin....dont prove your point please based on what i say.... i believe in Allah, Allah's prophet and Quran....compelled to believe,,, yes....as i am born Muslim also to add because i firmly believe what i have read about all of the above.......moreover because i am Alhumdullilah a Muslim....

the problem here is that rather thn answering the question you pose a new question from the questions asked to u and then counterattack with it Momin...answer first and then question....

why do the one's who have converted to Islam have believed in Quran....atleast they werent compelled........

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

@akbarkhan, of course you would say that, otherwise, it would destroy your foundation!

@spogmai, exactly, those people who have accepted Islam have accepted the Quran. I as an Ahmadi have accepted Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) and I have accepted him as a prophet of Allah and that is why his style of speech is no different than any other prophet. Hence, you cannot reject something just because you don't believe in it. You must provide evidence why is it that other prophets can speak in metaphors and one of them cannot?

Hence, the onus is on you.

[akbarkhan]

'Momin' claims that I have misquoted, so here is a side by side presentation of the quote and more.

God entered Mirza's body
"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 13 p. 104-105)

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

^ That has been refuted:

If you look at page 2(post 13), where you ask your question, to page 6(post 51), where Jasmine asks you to refute what I have said, you will notice how like a coward you throw more misquoted quotes.

Red Herrings much?

That first quote has been clearly refuted. Now refute what I have said.

[akbarkhan]

^ If that has been refuted already by you, then why can't you just paste your refutation here for everyone to see?

Here is what you are going to present your case against


God entered Mirza's body
"God entered my body ... and in this condition I was saying that WE WANT A NEW SYSTEM AND NEW HEAVEN AND NEW EARTH. Thus initially I created Heaven and Earth in a condensed form in which there was no system or differentiation, then according to God's wish, I created a system and differentiation, and I was watching that I have the power to create this. Then I created the Asmaan-e-Duniya (Lowest Heaven) and said that 'We have beautified the world's heaven with lamps". Then I said that now we will create human from the extract of earth..." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol. 13 p. 104-105)[/QUOTE]

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Why can't I? I have given the pages' numbers along with the posts' numbers. What more do you want?

You fit exactly this description of the Quran:

[2:6] Those who have disbelieved — it being equal to them whether thou warn them or warn them not — they will not believe.
[2:7] Allah has set a seal on their hearts and their ears, and over their eyes is a covering; and for them is a great punishment.
[2:8] And of the people there are some who say, ‘We believe in Allah and the Last Day;’ while they are not believers at all.
[2:9] They would deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive none but themselves; only they perceive it not.
[2:10] In their hearts was a disease, and Allah has increased their disease to them; and for them is a grievous punishment because they lied.

[2:11] And when it is said to them: ‘Create not disorder on the earth,’ they say: ‘We are only promoters of peace.’

[2:12] Beware! it is surely they who create disorder, but they do not perceive it.
[2:13] And when it is said to them, ‘Believe as other people have believed,’ they say: ‘Shall we believe as the foolish have believed?’ Beware! it is surely they that are foolish, but they do not know.
[2:14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: ‘We believe;’ but when they are alone with their ringleaders, they say: ‘We are certainly with you; we are only mocking.’

[2:15] Allah will punish their mockery and will let them continue in their transgression, wandering blindly.
[2:16] These are they who have taken error in exchange for guidance; but their traffic has brought them no gain, nor are they rightly guided.

[spogmai shaglay]

[QUOTE=MeemWawMeemNoon;115378

@spogmai, exactly, those people who have accepted Islam have accepted the Quran. I as an Ahmadi have accepted Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) and I have accepted him as a prophet of Allah and that is why his style of speech is no different than any other prophet. Hence, you cannot reject something just because you don't believe in it. You must provide evidence why is it that other prophets can speak in metaphors and one of them cannot?

Hence, the onus is on you.[/QUOTE]

so u accept that u r an Ahmadi....May Allah Talla show u the right way.......

its clearly mentioned that there would be no prophet after Hazrat Mohommad (saw)......u know it tooooo......

if u are not convinced by the Quran what will make u believe in whatever we say...........

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Actually, no, there are verses that are speaking about the continuation of prophethood:

Follow this thread:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/discussion-between-khan-momin-4899/

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

If you click on that link and view the book or the video, they are there.

[Khan]

No verse speaks of continuation of Prophets. Those verses have been translated and explained out of context by Ahmadis. I have explained him again and again but he's not ready to get off his horse and accept the fact on the contrary he is accusing me of not accepting Holy Quran in full.