Kufriyaat of Tariq Jameel

[Badlun]

Kufr is better than Islamism. By the way what is so bad in Kufr? How Kufr harms humanity? What are the wrong consequences of Kufr.

Tariq Jameel must be stopped otherwise all modern developments will be done away with especially in Tablighi dominated world of South Asia. Tabligh is against Art, Internet, TV, Radio even newspapers.

[Samandri]

Tariq Jameel is a very good speaker. His talks and his voice appeal to people because it makes them feel better. He certainly has the qualities many callers to Islam are missing.

People have benefited from his talks and feel they owe their improved bond with Allah to him. they think, if it wasn't for him, wouldn't have prayed regularly etc.

That may be true to a certain extent. After all, he is a very talented speaker. But we need to be balanced and rational in our judgement. We need to face the truth no matter how bitter.

A person can be the agent of positive change and still have extreme misguidance. The fact that Jameel has a positive influence on many people doesn't mean his statements or Kufr are somehow harmless.

He would have been an even greater man if he was also able to correct himself. He speaks in front of thousands of people but he is unwilling to admit his teachings are flawed. He doesn't take criticism from people when he errs.

Many peopl have spoken kufr in public. But when they were confronted to publicly retracted those kufr statements. Hell, even that khabees Ashraf Ghani apologized for committing kufr by ascribing parenthood to Allah during Ashura.

Instead of saying "Ghalat", you go for "Kufr".......Instead of saying that listening music is sin, you say listening music is kufr.

[Samandri]

Tariq Jameel must be stopped otherwise all modern developments will be done away with especially in Tablighi dominated world of South Asia. Tabligh is against Art, Internet, TV, Radio even newspapers.

. You seem to be paid by West for this baseless propaganda that you are spreading around in robotic manner since years.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Instead of saying "Ghalat", you go for "Kufr".......Instead of saying that listening music is sin, you say listening music is kufr.

according to Hanafi school, listening to music is a sin, but enjoying music is kufr. So yes, the one who enjoys it is committing kufr.

What Tariq Jameel said is kufr. Because he claims that takfeer on sahaba is not kufr. In all 4 schools, one who makes takfeer on sahaba is a kafir, Murtad. The one who doesn't believe that they are kufar also becomes a kafir.

[Samandri]

according to Hanafi school, listening to music is a sin, but enjoying music is kufr. So yes, the one who enjoys it is committing kufr.

Its Reference (Book name, author, page number) will be appreciated.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I will give you the quote of Hanafi school regarding music, but first, let's establish the kufr of Tariq Jameel according to 4 schools of law:

Imam Maalik said:

الذي يشتم أصحاب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ليس لهم اسم أو قال : نصيب في الإسلام

Those who curse the companions of the Prophet sal allahu alayhi wasalam have no share in Islam
Al Sunnah Abu Bakr bin Khilaal, vol.2, p.557

And he also said:

أهل الأهواء كلهم كفار وأسوأهم الروافض

People of desire are disbelievers and the worst among them are the rawaafidh

{Tarteeb al Madaarik wa Taqreeb al Masaalik, Al Qaadhi Iyyaad, vol. 2, p.49}


Imaam Abu Saad Sam’ani al-Shaafi (d 498H) reported the following Ijmaa' [consensus]:

واجتمعت الامة على تكفير الامامية لانهم يعتقدون تضليل
الصحابة وينكرون إجماعهم وينسبونهم إلى مالا يليق بهم


The Ummah has an Ijmaa' regarding takfeer of Imaamiyyah (Shia) because they believe that the Sahaba were misguided, they reject the concensus of Sahaba and they attribute misfitting matters to them.
{Al Ansaab, vol.3, p.188}



Abu Zur'ah ar Raazi rahimahullah::

إذا رأيت الرجل ينتقص أحداً من أصحاب رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم : فاعلم أنه زنديق
"If you see a person who critisized one of the companions of Rasool Allah sal allahu alayhi wasalam, then you should know that he is zindeeq.

{Al Kifaayah van Al Khateeb al Baghdaadi, p.97}


reported Imaam Ahmed ibn Hanbal:

سألت أبا عبد الله عمن يشتم أبا بكر وعمر وعائشة؟
قال : (ما أراه على الإسلام

.."I asked Abu Abdillah (Imam Ahmed) about the ones who slander Abu bakr, Umar and Ai'shah. He said: I don't see them within Islam."


{Sunnah lil Khilaal, vol.3, p. 493}



Abu Haneefah rahimahullah said about the Shi'a:

أن من أنكر خلافة الصديق، رضي الله تبارك وتعالى عنه، فهو كافر، وكذلك من أنكر خلافة عمر رضي الله تبارك وتعالى عنه
"The one who doesn't recognize the Khilafah of Abu Bakr Siddig is a kaafir, likewise the one who doesn't recognize the khilafah of Umar"

{Imtaa' al Ismaa' al Maqrizi, vol. 9, p.218}

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Its Reference (Book name, author, page number) will be appreciated.

Below is a quote from a Deobandi mufti on http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Love-of-Music

The narration is mention in a few Hanafi texts.

وَفِي الْبَزَّازِيَّةِ اسْتِمَاعُ صَوْتِ الْمَلَاهِي كَضَرْبِ قَصَبٍ وَنَحْوِهِ حَرَامٌ لِقَوْلِهِ - عَلَيْهِ الصَّلَاةُ وَالسَّلَامُ - «اسْتِمَاعُ الْمَلَاهِي مَعْصِيَةٌ وَالْجُلُوسُ عَلَيْهَا فِسْقٌ وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ» أَيْ بِالنِّعْمَةِ ( الدر المختار (6/ 349))
…and it is mentioned in Fatawa Bazzaziyyah that listening to amusement sounds like the beating of instruments and the like is Haram because of the statement of Rasulullah salallahu ῾alayhi wasallam, “Listening of amusement is a sin and sitting in its gathering is fisq and to take enjoyment from it is Kufr” i.e Ni`mah.

سَاقَهُ تَعْلِيلًا لِبَيَانِ صِحَّةِ إطْلَاقِ الْكُفْرِ عَلَى كُفْرَانِ النِّعْمَةِ(( حاشية ابن عابدين (رد المحتار) (6/ 349))
Ibn ‘Abideen r.a mentions that the Kufr is Kufran Ni’mah.

الْحَدِيثُ خُرِّجَ مَخْرَجَ التَّشْدِيدِ وَتَغْلِيظِ الذَّنْبِ (الاختيار لتعليل المختار (4/ 166))
The hadeeth has been mentioned to show the severity and wrongness of the sin (i.e not to establish a ruling of kufr.)

وهكذا خرج على وجه التشديد بعظم الذنب (المحيط البرهاني في الفقه النعماني (5/ 369))

This is how (the hadith) has been narrated by way of severity due to the grandness of the sin.


وهذا خرج على وجه التشديد لا أنه يكفر(البحر الرائق شرح كنز الدقائق ومنحة الخالق وتكملة الطوري (8/ 215()
…This has been mentioned to induce severity, not that the person will become a kafir.

وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ أَيْ بِالنِّعْمَةِ(مجمع الأنهر في شرح ملتقى الأبحر (2/ 553))

… and to take enjoyment from it is Kufr, i.e the bounty.

وإنما قال ذلك على وجه التشديد (البناية شرح الهداية (12/ 88))
…and that is only said by way of severity.

Other citations for the narration are:


«اسْتِمَاعُ الْمَلَاهِي مَعْصِيَةٌ، وَالْجُلُوسُ عَلَيْهَا فِسْقٌ، وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا مِنَ الْكُفْرِ» " إِنَّمَا قَالَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى وَجْهِ التَّشْدِيدِ (مرقاة المفاتيح شرح مشكاة المصابيح (3/ 1066))
وفى الحديث استماع صوت الملاهي معصية والجلوس عليها فسق والتلذذ بها كفر على وجه التهديد (روح البيان (8/ 294)) (و روح البيان (8/ 329)
التَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ وَالْمَقْصُودُ بِالْكُفْرِ كُفْرُ النِّعْمَةِ (الموسوعة الفقهية الكويتية (38/ 175))
أَيْ التَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ (عَلَى وَجْهِ التَّشْدِيدِ) (بريقة محمودية في شرح طريقة محمدية وشريعة نبوية في سيرة أحمدية (4/ 51))
Wallahu A'lam

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Its Reference (Book name, author, page number) will be appreciated.

Regarding takfeer on Shi'a Imaamiyyah ar Raafidhah, the one who knows their haal (their condition) which is shirk and cursing of Sahaba, also knows that they are kaafir. When a person negates kufr of such a person becomes a kaafir due to the following maxim:

من لم يكفر الكافر فهو كافر

Go memorize that, then approach a a prominent Deobandi Hanafi, Manzoor Mengal, Taqi Usmani, doesn't matter which one it is. Just ask them if this maxim is part of Hanafi madhab or not. They will tell you that this maxim is the basis on making takfeer on anyone who negates kufr from someone who's kufr is apparent.

Once you do that, next time you throw around words, know that the ruling also applies to you if you claim that it is not obligatory to make takfeer on anyone who is committing acts of major kufr. (kufr akbar).

[Samandri]

Below is a quote from a Deobandi mufti on http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...-Love-of-Music

Please no links from forums or blogs. What is the exact commentary of Imam Abu Hanifa on music, post the book name , page number, along with publication name.

[Samandri]

Shamlawar, which qualified Aaalim has issued Kufr fatwa against Tariq Jamil? Because even Wahabi ulema believe that non-aalim should not issue kufr fatwa against any one and here i am seeing you issuing kufr fatwa against Tariq Jameel

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Please no links from forums or blogs. What is the exact commentary of Imam Abu Hanifa on music, post the book name , page number, along with publication name.

You want a direct quote from Abu Haneefah himself, otherwise you are going to reject it? That's interesting. Weren't you the one claiming to be a follower of Deoband and hanafi in madhab? If yes, then you sure have severe ghail muqallid tendencies for asking such a question.

Anyways, for those who can actually read arabic, the quotes the Deobandi Mufti has posted are from the following books:


Can't you read Arabic script? The name of the books plus the volumes and page numbers are mentioned in the quote.

الدر المختار

وَفِي الْبَزَّازِيَّةِ اسْتِمَاعُ صَوْتِ الْمَلَاهِي كَضَرْبِ قَصَبٍ وَنَحْوِهِ حَرَامٌ لِقَوْلِهِ - عَلَيْهِ الصَّلَاةُ وَالسَّلَامُ - «اسْتِمَاعُ الْمَلَاهِي مَعْصِيَةٌ وَالْجُلُوسُ عَلَيْهَا فِسْقٌ وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ» أَيْ بِالنِّعْمَةِ

VOLUME 6 PAGE 349






حاشية ابن عابدين رد المحتار

سَاقَهُ تَعْلِيلًا لِبَيَانِ صِحَّةِ إطْلَاقِ الْكُفْرِ عَلَى كُفْرَانِ النِّعْمَةِ

VOLUME 6 PAGE 349



الاختيار لتعليل المختار

الْحَدِيثُ خُرِّجَ مَخْرَجَ التَّشْدِيدِ وَتَغْلِيظِ الذَّنْبِ

VOLUME 4 PAGE 166




المحيط البرهاني في الفقه النعماني

وهكذا خرج على وجه التشديد بعظم الذنب

VOLUME 5 PAGE 369




البحر الرائق شرح كنز الدقائق ومنحة الخالق وتكملة الطوري

وهذا خرج على وجه التشديد لا أنه يكفر

VOLUME 8 PAGE 215



مجمع الأنهر في شرح ملتقى الأبحر

وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا كُفْرٌ أَيْ بِالنِّعْمَةِ

VOLUME 2 PAGE 553




البناية شرح الهداية

وإنما قال ذلك على وجه التشديد

VOLUME 12 PAGE 88





مرقاة المفاتيح شرح مشكاة المصابيح

اسْتِمَاعُ الْمَلَاهِي مَعْصِيَةٌ، وَالْجُلُوسُ عَلَيْهَا فِسْقٌ، وَالتَّلَذُّذُ بِهَا مِنَ الْكُفْرِ» " إِنَّمَا قَالَ ذَلِكَ عَلَى وَجْهِ التَّشْدِيدِ

VOLUME 3 PAGE 1066




روح البيان

وفى الحديث استماع صوت الملاهي معصية والجلوس عليها فسق والتلذذ بها كفر على وجه التهديد

VOLUME 8 PAGE 329

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Shamlawar, which qualified Aaalim has issued Kufr fatwa against Tariq Jamil? Because even Wahabi ulema believe that non-aalim should not issue kufr fatwa against any one and here i am seeing you issuing kufr fatwa against Tariq Jameel

Abu Haneefah has issued fatwa making takfeer of Tariq Jameel. It was Abu Haneefah who said: the one who doesn't make takfeer on rawaafidh is a kaafir.

So according to Abu Haneefa, he is a kaafir. Do you want a quote for this too? No problem, I can give you that as well. Unlike some people, I can back up anything I say here.

[Samandri]

Abu Haneefah has issued fatwa making takfeer of Tariq Jameel. It was Abu Haneefah who said: the one who doesn't make takfeer on rawaafidh is a kaafir.

So according to Abu Haneefa, he is a kaafir. Do you want a quote for this too? No problem, I can give you that as well. Unlike some people, I can back up anything I say here.

You are not an Aaalim, you are not allowed to issue kufr fatwa against some one even as per Salafi standards

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You are not an Aaalim, you are not allowed to issue kufr fatwa against some one even as per Salafi standards

Are you saying only an aalim kan make takfeer? Is this what you believe? Do you want me to quote Hanafi books to show you one doesn't have to be an aalim in order to make takfeer?

I can give you a quote for that too. No problem.

[Samandri]

Are you saying only an aalim kan make takfeer? Is this what you believe? Do you want me to quote Hanafi books to show you one doesn't have to be an aalim in order to make takfeer?

I can give you a quote for that too. No problem.

Layman like you is not allowed issuing Kufr fatwa against some body. If some qualified scholar from your wahabi sect has issued Kufr fatwa against Tariq Jamil, then post his name.